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Impermanent posted:D&D is the rocket booster that this hobby needed in order to get into the atmosphere. We can safely leave it behind now that Apocalypse World exists.
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Mar 3, 2015 15:29
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I'm not really going to go on and on about how loving awesome AW is, but it revitalized my interest for gaming and made me a much better GM than I ever was before.
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Mar 3, 2015 15:31
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Error 404 posted:This ad brought to you by the lumpley brothers i don't know who those people are
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Mar 3, 2015 16:22
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Error 404 posted:Lumpley is Vince Baker's screen name. i get it now 
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Mar 3, 2015 16:33
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MadScientistWorking posted:Weirdly enough if you consider Apocalypse Engine games RPGs then D&D isn't the foundation. The cornerstone of those game are free form improv with completely new sets of jargon placed in which makes it less accessible than it should be. lol what AW's jargon is really easy to get the gist of, and there's only one real technical hurdle in the whole system, and even that is a matter of semantics (AUF vs SBF vs GA)
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Mar 3, 2015 17:07
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Mr. Maltose posted:Why? lol don't talk to plutonis
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Mar 3, 2015 17:57
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PresidentBeard posted:*world games are well designed but fundamentally cater to a different playstyle than chunkier more rules laden games. As a result the more entrenched group sees *worlds games as an assault on their pastime. Getting used to the idea that there is room in the rpg market for both story games and rules heavy games is hard for some people to grasp. Though it also isn't helped by people insisting that their type of game is inherently better than others. Those most guilty of this seem to be Pathfinder fans, retroclone fans, and *worlds fans. I used to play D&D and then I didn't, drifted towards more rules-lite systems and then found AW, which has the best mix of rules, setting, and feel that works for what I want to get out of gaming, other people might not and that's fine. I always encourage people to check out aw though because why wouldn't you want more people doing things that you think are good+cool??
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Mar 3, 2015 18:15
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FMguru posted:I think Hasbro regards D&D as a potentially valuable nerd nostalgia brand, in much the same way that a largely-forgotten series of 1980s robot toys turned out to be the keystones of a multi-billion dollar movie franchise 25 years later. Keeping it around and in-print in a nerd nostalgia format (5e, plus those reprints of earlier corebooks and classic adventures) is probably the smart move. this is possible I guess, seems weird though. guess it doesn't cost them much
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Mar 3, 2015 18:15
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Impermanent posted:The only thing there isn't room for in this hobby is Pathfinder. I welcome good rules light games and good tactical roleplaying game experiences, but we don't need a new 600lb. gorilla clogging tables with broken rulesets. If you've had fun with pathfinder you probably did it by accident. why isn't there room for a game people want to play? There's a big difference between saying it's a poorly-designed game and that there's no place for it, one of those is a lot stronger than the other
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Mar 3, 2015 18:27
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Impermanent posted:I think the net effect of Pathfinder and 5e D&D on the hobby is negative. (and my statement was a little hyperbolic on purpose) I'd explain more but work is hard today. The short version is that training people into thinking that fundamentally flawed rulesets (and damaging social views on the side of 5e) as the norm stifles innovation and growth in the hobby. Specifically, it makes people less welcoming of better ways of playing every type of game. It will likely take generations (within the player base, not in design, where we are already ahead) for us to get over ability scores, save-or-suck, and even roll-to-win, lose-to-do-nothing. that has a lot less to do with the game and more to do with the people playing it, though - people that are hostile to different paradigms (as opposed to unfamiliar) aren't going to want to play them anyway
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Mar 3, 2015 18:57
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Zurui posted:On a related note, my biggest problem with AW is that there doesn't seem to be any common pop-culture reference for the "fiction" that Baker has so tightly designed his game around. The three most commonly cited influences (Mad Max, Fallout, and Tank Girl) are so different that finding common ground can be difficult for players starting out. It's gritty like Fallout, but without the cheeky nostalgia. It's epic like Mad Max, but doesn't really support the "lone wanderer" aspect. It's gonzo like Tank Girl, but not cartoony. get out of here, stalker the real answer is that it is a hybrid, and the specific flavor of the game is malleable - it's something you have to work out with your players.
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Mar 3, 2015 19:05
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Impermanent posted:If you think of your apocalypse wold games as a logical extension of the metal gear universe everything becomes clear. 
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Mar 3, 2015 20:10
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Galaga Galaxian posted:My biggest problem with PbtA games is none of the major ones draw me in that much. I'm not interested in Monster Hearts' premise. Dungeon World is "ok" and I'd probably try playing it, but overall is too much like D&D in various ways, IMO.Apocalypse World is the one I'd be most interested in playing, but I'm completely apathetic towards the post-apoc aesthetic. It's pretty easy to convert straight AW to fantasy without turning it into DW - I think LemonCurdistan posted a thing in the AW thread that effectively did it in a single post e: Lemon Curdistan posted:THE BARBARIAN (Gunlugger)
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Mar 3, 2015 20:22
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Evil Mastermind posted:I still think you should call the fantasy Gunlugger the Swordlugger. You could do this
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Mar 3, 2015 20:29
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Serf posted:So while talking with a friend about 13th Age, we got on the subject of D&D-alikes and they mentioned one I've never heard of: Fantasycraft. They described it as "D&D but with more cool stuff and fighter-types get nice things", which is always a neat idea in my mind. I was wondering you folks thought it would be worth picking up even if only to pick apart for its ideas. the main thing I remember about fantasycraft is that it made D&D look rules-lite
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Mar 3, 2015 20:39
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fosborb posted:Can we all at least agree that the Apocalypse popcorn recipe is an embarrassment? i never bothered with it but the only review I heard was that it wasn't actually spicy at all or whatever
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Mar 3, 2015 21:43
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Evil Mastermind posted:I can't tell who's being serious and who's not in this thread anymore. Is that bad? something something poe's law
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Mar 3, 2015 21:48
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Glory and Gore
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Mar 3, 2015 23:28
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Covok posted:I know this is late for DW talk that was going on three or so pages ago, but I don't think it's that bad of a game. I feel, unless I'm misinterpreting your earlier arguments, that it set out to be what it set out to be: a old school renaissance game based on Basic D&D using Pbta rules. In that regard, I think it turned out just fine and met the goals of what they said they were going to do. The fact it wasn't something more isn't really a strike against the game, in my opinion, since it never advertised itself as anything more: it's just a game with "modern rules and an old school style." DW is a fine game, but for those wanting Fantasy Apocalypse World it doesn't really meet expectations - which is fine but there's other hacking that still needs doing. Also, as pbta has matured, some of the weaknesses of DW have been made a bit more clear
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Mar 4, 2015 13:05
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Covok posted:Which is, like I said, is fine if that's what you were expecting, but I don't think it ever set out to be Fantasy Apocalpyse World: IIRC, it always advertised it self as a new way to play Basic D&D. Also, don't get me wrong, I know it has issues, but mostly the ones I know are issues I've noticed with the game itself like the Druid having a bit too much power. What issues came up as "pbta matured?" I think we're mostly in agreement here  and tbqh i'm parroting a talking point I don't recall quite clearly, I think it has to do with as people became more familiar with what made a good pbta system, what the actual strengths of the system were, DW missed it on a few points I believe regarding the structure of certain moves? I'm sure someone can expand on this
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Mar 4, 2015 14:12
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I knew i wasn't talking entirely out of my rear end
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Mar 4, 2015 14:54
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Another thing that D&D worldbuilding just totally ignores: Every second-rate magic user has access to Charm Person. This would radically, radically change society, down to the core. Just start thinking about this. Think about commerce, diplomacy, hell even courtship. 
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Mar 4, 2015 21:56
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Kai Tave posted:Iron Heroes is one of those games that sound great on paper but the execution is all over the place. It's full of amazing ideas and some stuff that if you squint looked similar to some stuff that would later, through the game of telephone, wind up in 4E. That said it's also got all kinda of balance and mechanical wonkiness and at the end of the day it's still based on 3.X d20. Like, I won't say it's poo poo because it's not poo poo, not by a long shot. For the time it came out it was rather ambitious and at least paid some lip service to a lot of cool ideas...and I think with like two or three more revisions it could have been something genuinely excellent instead of just okay. Iron heros really needed a second edition
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Mar 5, 2015 04:53
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Kai Tave posted:This is the straight-up truth. I know that some other person had plans to release like a revised edition with some errata incorporated into it and I can't remember if that ever came together or not, but the fact that Iron Heroes never went on to get super polished and tightened and generally improved because there's so much potential there. Yeah, the errata fixed the armiger to not be completely worthless and a couple of other things that I no longer recall. That was awesome because INDOMITABLE WALL OF IRON is basically the A+ #1 name for a choice of something to pick for your character, even exceeding the glory of NOT TO BE hosed WITH
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Mar 5, 2015 15:27
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Famethrowa posted:Is it possible to convert up to a later edition (or a good variant homebrew) that gets rid of the complicated bullshit but won't make me redo all my character sheets? No, not really
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Mar 5, 2015 21:25
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Payndz posted:
this is a pretty cool concept! at the risk of becoming a gimmick poster in this thread, it reminds me of Apocalypse world's Seize by Force; you know both you and the other person are going to get hurt. If you roll well you can decide that you don't get hurt that bad, or that they get really hosed up (among other options). If you roll really well, you can do both!
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Mar 6, 2015 17:14
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Famethrowa posted:Sent Dungeon World to my friends asking what they think and they got really excited. It is precisely what we are looking for, and matches our current style of play. Thanks thread! awwwww yeaaaaah
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Mar 6, 2015 19:26
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Captain Walker posted:I know the honeymoon is sort of over re: goonpinions of Dungeon World, but I would argue there's no better gateway to the magical land of "RPGs that are not Dungeons and Dragons". Have fun, Famethrowa! Post a trip report. Yeah I agree with this
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Mar 6, 2015 23:32
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MadScientistWorking posted:Well I just found the time cube of RPGs.... HYBRID?
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Mar 7, 2015 16:55
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Helical Nightmares posted:Honestly that is what your gamemaster is responsible for. When I manage a game the onus is on me to make it exciting with the players I have and have some sort of interesting narrative structure. If some players are not a right fit, then I identify that early and make cuts; or if I'm a player, I leave. it's a shared responsibility between everyone involved with the game.
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Mar 10, 2015 00:36
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Evil Sagan posted:I'm thinking about starting a Kickstarter to keep Foo fed and sheltered for a few years so he can focus exclusively on running AW. 
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Mar 11, 2015 17:12
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Evil Sagan posted:I'm now realizing that none of my D&D campaigns have ever featured violent union disputes. That's a shame. Eberron: Local Clockroach Exterminators 302
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Mar 11, 2015 18:20
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PerniciousKnid posted:Nah, you just haven't appreciated that the history of D&D is really the history of class warfare. aaaag
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Mar 11, 2015 18:57
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Glorified Scrivener posted:Wow, again? Even I'm sick of that loving argument. Still, in any case, what's the current theoretical framework the hive mind is endorsing for brow beating one's intellectual opponents in to submission? Edward's Big Model? Something else? I think I'll just laugh at you
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Mar 17, 2015 00:23
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PurpleXVI posted:If only they weren't stupid, arbitrary categories designed entirely to establish nerd superiority over others. "Storygames" and RPG's are the exact same thing, the only thing that makes a difference is approach and playstyle. Imma let you finish, but first I'm gonna laugh at you too
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Mar 17, 2015 01:10
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FactsAreUseless posted:RPG: I am Hrothgar, King of Axes, and because of this, I will make the game happen. Show me your honor, Hrothgar
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Mar 17, 2015 01:29
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ReiDuran posted:Are 
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Mar 17, 2015 02:16
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just  if you don't use the Dagon method for generating D&D stats
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Mar 17, 2015 14:45
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Dagon posted:9 sets of 3d6 (or whatever), rolled in order and arranged in a grid with columns of Str, Dex, and Con, rows of Int, Wis, and Cha. Choose a number for a stat from its column or row, but each number can only be used once (IE the 18 you got at the intersection of Str and Int can only be one or the other). i think the dice were something hilarious too, like 6d4+2l2 or something
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