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Hello new thread let me inflict my personality on you. And not a moment too soon!
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Mar 26, 2015 02:04
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I dunno. I got a friend of mine into Who with Rose, hook line and sinker. He didn't even like Doctor Who or had seen any of it before. The key point is though, I got him to watch more than just Rose. I made him watch the episodes in order, watched them with him, and by the time Fathers Day hit, he was hooked.
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Mar 26, 2015 15:21
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Sentinel Red posted:Kinda is on the 'Horror' Channel right now and holy gently caress, this poo poo is so bad, I have no idea how you guys keep a straight face saying the old series are still worth watching. Or at least, the ones made in the 70s and 80s, I'll concede the 60s stuff does have a certain je ne sais quoi. You have to be able to ease your way into the era, though even for when it was made Who was pretty bad looking. I'm a big fan of toku series of all eras so I'm pretty well used to super cheap production values. The paradoxical thing about Who was that the longer it ran the worse it looked. The production hit a stride in the 60s and mostly kept that stride in the 70s. However as the decades went on, the costs of making a decent looking show rose, and the budget remained the same.
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Mar 30, 2015 16:21
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The_Doctor posted:Ironically, before the Time War, the Time Lords spent most of their time protecting Hitler from marauding time travellers causing chaos with history by trying to kill him. Let's be entirely honest here. Some of them were likely on his side too.
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Mar 31, 2015 23:30
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Spatula City posted:Eh, I really thought it picked up at the restaurant. To me that's really damning to it, because the Restaurant doesn't happen until an hour into the goddamn episode. It's such a slog to get to the good parts that it cheapens the impact that they should have. Why was this episode the super long one again?
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Apr 7, 2015 15:23
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You might as well watch Ark In Space, Sontaran Experiment and Genesis. They form a fairly nice bridge.
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Apr 8, 2015 16:12
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I still hold, as I near the end of the Third Doctor's era, that whatever they did for the Third Doctor worked. The first season of the Third Doctor is absolutely perfect. Stand outs, all time favorites, and forgotten gems. Not a single one misses the mark and it all comes together to be the best season of Doctor Who, in my eyes. Plus I mean, come on. Ambassadors OF DEATH Elevates just about anything. TWANG.
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Apr 9, 2015 20:54
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Bicyclops posted:Well today my laptop just started displaying a black screen. Thankfully, I saved the 2000 words I wrote today to Drive, but I definitely have enough data loss that I needed some comfort watching. I only have two of the old serials on DVD, and I decided on The Sea Devils. I am immensely sorry and please do not reply to this because it will take forever. Maybe if you contact Tom, he'll send you a basket of kittens.
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Apr 10, 2015 04:25
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JNT, to my knowledge, didn't get involved in Who until well after Corpse Master reared his head.
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Apr 11, 2015 05:06
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Dabir posted:I'm pretty sure people only start half-talking around the next episode when Toxx gives an indication that he's seen it and is writing. Yeah, once he posts the Wiki page, it's free game to discuss.
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Apr 20, 2015 17:36
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DoctorWhat posted:huge loving swathes got cut from Fenric, like a whole episode's worth of material. Ghost Light got hit even worse. Not having seen this yet myself, I will respond to this regardless- It doesn't matter how many layers a dud has if it's still a dud. Some people just don't react well to some episodes no matter how much is or is not going on for it.
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Apr 24, 2015 20:16
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SirSamVimes posted:What the hell is that? Porn parody of Doctor Who.
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Apr 24, 2015 23:53
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CobiWann posted:One of two. I wish i could find a SFW trailer for this one, it's a straight forward Who adventure, as opposed to the better known parody. Like, it's an "original" Doctor as opposed to a parody of Matt Smith. Like, I'd cosplay as that Doctor just to see who the hell noticed. And then have a drink with those people. I'd cosplay as the Daleks from that Dalek porn parody but no one would notice. Mostly because I'd just look like a Dalek. ....how the Hell did they get a porn before Doctor Who itself again?
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Apr 25, 2015 00:13
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Dabir posted:What did Smith say? He thought the Doctor would have seen 10 men hanging, with an 11th lined up for the noose next to them.
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Apr 26, 2015 14:20
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CobiWann posted:See, I loved that. How many Doctors actually looked forward to their regeneration*? A man dies, and experiences all the pain and suffering, but that same man lives with all those memories. Kind of dark... I agree myself. I liked that idea- it's the kind of macabre stuff that Doctor Who is known to dip into. It's either that or a room filled with people burning. You know one or the other.
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Apr 26, 2015 15:14
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Hit or miss Clitoris posted:It's been well established by this thread that the reason Hinchcliffe hasn't worked on Who in forever is because it detracts from his day job of haunting the beds and closets of children everywhere. A true idol unlike any seen before or since. Also on my ever closer to the end Third DoctorAthon, I have now gotten to the Time Warrior. Uh, question. Mind I've only seen the first episode, half of it so far. Why did Sontarans get so much shorter and, frankly, worse costumes? Like these are kinda 60s tacky, but you could reasonably update this and get something genuinely good from it. Or is this guy short and they just shoot it at the wrong angles
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May 12, 2015 20:17
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Bicyclops posted:The first Sontaran is pretty short. If you want tall Sontarans, you'll have to wait until the Baker era. They tried the tall design for awhile, but it turns out that tall Sontarans have a lot of difficulties with pool chairs. I guess the angle is just wrong, or the helmet is adding to his height, because he looks about as tall as the humans around him.
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May 12, 2015 20:28
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2house2fly posted:It wasn't shoehorned at all. Except for the part where it implied that the other characters all were still trapped in the dream states
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May 17, 2015 18:38
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josh04 posted:That's an inference which isn't supported by the episode itself, in they're shown waking up absent Clara. The episode plays heavily on the audience not knowing if Clara is leaving or not, but it's hard to imagine they started writing an episode not knowing for sure whether or not one of the characters was going to leave. Yeah. That was a thing that happened. And the key was never Clara herself, but the Doctor. We see him vanish from the Sled, waking up, and then he goes and finds Clara and all that implies from there. So thanks to the hastily added twist, all of those other people are implied to still be head crab fodder. Sucks to be them!
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May 17, 2015 23:02
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The Sarah Connonicles has been the only half decent Terminator thing in over 2 decades Oh yeah what about T2 that ca...oh god that's more than twenty years old now. Jesus Christ.
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May 18, 2015 16:34
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DoctorWhat posted:Kill the Moon (mostly) owns, gently caress the haters. OK DoctorWhat, you're a good kid. But you keep using the term haters and I will know no respect for you. You're better than that.
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May 22, 2015 20:05
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Bicyclops posted:That is a bizarrely specific thing to dislike a person for, man. I just really dislike the term haters because of how it generalizes people who have genuine complaints and criticisms, and brushes them aside as if their opinion is lesser. So some one who defends anything with that broad statement? Yeah they tend to draw ire.
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May 22, 2015 20:19
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DoctorWhat posted:I'll admit, it's mostly a reaction to the "BAD SCIENCE A BLOO BLOO BLOO" thing. I have approximately zero respect for "BUT HOW CAN THE MOON BE AN EGG, THAT'S STUPID" train of thought. Most of my ire with that episode has largely faded thanks to what followed it, but there are other serious issues with the episode as well, not the least of which being invalidating everything at the end with the magic new moon nonsense. It's a story where if no one did anything, everything would have worked out just fine. But unlike the Big Bang, where that was something of the seasonal plot as the Doctor tried to tell them that he had things under control don't try to be more clever than him it won't go well- here the Doctor also did dick all. Happy endings and puppies for everyone, shame about those guys dying oh well.
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May 22, 2015 20:27
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2house2fly posted:For a Christmas special it works so much better as a dream that brings them back together. Except no one said they wanted a sad ending. And I'd have been fine if she just went "Oh you silly man, we had loads more adventures."
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May 22, 2015 22:04
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BSam posted:This is Dr Who. There are no genuine complaints. A certain Forest episode would disagree with you. As would just. A lot of things So many Why Pip and Jane why
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May 23, 2015 04:28
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MrL_JaKiri posted:In other minor "the writers don't understand science" kerfuffles, it also features the Doctor asking what a creature that only evolved to hide would be like Wouldn't that be like a trapdoor spider or any of the numerous animals that look like their surroundings?
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May 24, 2015 18:11
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HD DAD posted:He's confirmed, but so is Peter Harness for two episodes. I'll never enjoy an episode that would have been exactly the same if our heroes had just staid home and took a nap. What's the point of including the main characters if that's the case?
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May 25, 2015 18:21
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BSam posted:Also Planet of the Ood. Donna and the Doctor actually did a fair amount in that episode. Sigma was mostly the one doing stuff behind the scenes, but they were vital to things working out. In both Forest and Moon, our heroes didn't need to be there. They didn't need to do anything- and more importantly they DIDN'T do anything. It wouldn't bother me so much if it wasn't for the fact that these two episodes followed each other so closely. That's a really poor writing choice unless the episode you have is really goddamn amazing. And neither were. Even if you liked Moon, no one is going to stand up for it being one of The Definitive Doctor Who episodes ever.
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May 26, 2015 00:30
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2house2fly posted:You must hate Listen too. I do not enjoy it, no. But that's more for the nonsense of Clara inspiring baby Doctor and giving us any hint of an origin story and just how vague that bullshit all was.
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May 26, 2015 00:39
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Spatula City posted:I don't think it's inherently wrong to have episodes where the Doctor's presence changes basically nothing. There were some good episodes of X-Files like that where Mulder and Scully basically accomplished nothing, but they were good episodes nonetheless. In these type of plots, the protagonists bear witness to the craziness, and the point is not how they affect things, but how they are affected by things. Yes. And Midnight affected the Doctor deeply and shook him to his core- he was helpless, but his presence still mattered. Forest? No body was affected at all. We just learned that Clara is a lovely human being and very spiteful when pissed off, which amounted to dick all. Moon? The only one who was affected at all was Clara which got swept under the rug in the very next episode.
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May 26, 2015 00:48
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2house2fly posted:The astronaut whose life they saved could also be said to have been affected by the events of that episode. If she ever comes back or becomes important or if anything happens because of her specifically sure I'll give you that. Otherwise woohoo. A character who might as well of been nameless for all the impression she left was maybe affected by the dragoning of the moon. Only more likely she just went to bed afterwards because gently caress it, new moon, might as well be a reset button. We already had the big 'moment that inspired humans to go into space' in Waters of Mars.
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May 26, 2015 01:50
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2house2fly posted:Saving people only matters if they're important. That's basically the essence of Doctor Who. Yep that's what I meant entirely. Clearly narrative importance for us as viewers and importance within the fictional universe are the exact same thing. Ace job there champ.
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May 26, 2015 02:34
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Android Blues posted:??? That message did dick all. There is no way, unless we're granting the human race magical powers like we did trees in that episode, that they would be able to spread defoliation agents across the entire world in such a short amount of time. Even if they magically could carpet bomb the entire world, that stuff takes time to work- and since the trees ARE magic as hell, there's no telling that it would work! Don't even bring that up either, because that's near the height of idiocy and 'not thinking through your words' bullshit that this episode pulled, right below the meds. You know what that kind of stuff does to a person? A lot of things, none of them good. As some one who lost his grandfather to cancer caused by Agent Orange, the idea that *ANY* government would willingly spray that bullshit over populated areas of their own citizens is just insultingly stupid. That goes beyond the fairy tale logic and hits square in the 'let's use mustard gas on ourselves to save ourselves' level of hosed.
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May 26, 2015 17:07
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Android Blues posted:Wait, so your issue is not "Clara and the Doctor didn't affect the plot", it's "they affected the plot in a way I recognised but found implausible and so chose to ignore, then complain about the alternate version of the episode I thought up"? They didn't affect the plot because there was no way that message they put out stopped anything from happening, especially with the time scale we saw. They gave the message, sat around for a few minutes, and then the solar flare hit. The episode would have been exactly the same if they made the message or not. Same as Kill the Moon, actually- Clara would have decided not to kill the moon with or without the message. This is not hard to grasp. This is really poor writing. Worse than Who tends to be.
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May 26, 2015 17:14
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Android Blues posted:I mean, she wouldn't have been there and astronaut lady would have blown up the moon, presumably. Or just gotten killed by the moon spiders like her friends. That and, honestly? That amount of nuclear weapons wouldn't have done much to the moon, let alone whatever the hell the creature was inside. You don't get to be that big and get taken out by something that pathetic. Mind this is the same episode where the science said that the debris of the moon exploding just don't do anything and vanish and that the creature who weighed more than the moon didn't have a gravitational pull that would gently caress the planet due to moving around near it. Basically you start bringing any amount of sense into the episode and it all falls apart. That's not a good thing. It doesn't even have internal logic that you can rely on because it goes against science we've seen in previous Doctor Who episodes. But whatever, each episode is self contained. Sure, fine. The only thing they did in that episode was save one person's life, which is great, and continue the Clara Doctor relationship problem thing, which gets resolved in the next episode.
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May 26, 2015 17:25
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josh04 posted:I didn't have any trouble understanding Kill the Moon. I didn't have any trouble understanding Forest either, for what it's worth, although it's certainly a worse episode. Straightforward things happen, which people willfully misinterpret because they're convinced that these are Bad Episodes written by Bad Writers who Don't Understand Science. Nuclear weapons are great if you want to devastate a population or irradiate something. Really, bang up. They're less great if you want to actually wipe something out that's as solid as a planetary body. If you gathered every single nuclear weapon on the planet to one point and set them off, the planet would be relatively fine. It'd have a new pot hole but that's about it. Especially if you just did it from the surface without forcing the explosion downwards at all. All you would accomplish putting those weapons on the moon the way they did would be to give it a new crater, and not a particularly big one. Unless they stepped up their doomsday weapons in the time skip between modern day and whenever that was. Either way it wouldn't affect a creature that has grown as large as a planetary body like a moon. Or even larger, as we saw with the Dragon. To be that big, even or especially in space, the thing would have to be drat near indestructible. So the entire moral dilemma part of the episode falls apart when you realize it doesn't actually matter if they set the bombs off or not- they won't kill the thing. They may not even harm it. But this is also the episode that, again, tells us that the moon is made of some kind of weird material that wouldn't wipe out all life on Earth if it broke apart, and the creature that weighs more than the moon doesn't have a gravity field worth mentioning. Basically I guess a huge problem with the episode is that it presents the issue as a science problem, and then shoves its head as far up the 'it's magic it doesn't matter' hole as possible immediately after.
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May 26, 2015 20:33
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DoctorWhat posted:The episode says that the nukes will kill the dragon. All the scientific authorities within the story agree, and we are given no reason to believe that they are lying or mistaken. Yes because if some one says something is sure to work, that means it will always work. I mean just look at all of those Godzilla movies where they come up with a sure fire new weapon to kill him that totally does. Except when they don't ever. None of those people knew what the hell that dragon was, not even the Doctor. They were assuming the weapons would kill them- much like they were assuming that the weapons would have accomplished anything on the moon other than a hell of a light show.
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May 26, 2015 21:00
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DoctorWhat posted:If you can't tell the narrative difference between a failed assault on a Kaiju in a Toho film (which serves to escalate action) and what is essentially presented as a Genocide Button plot device (literally a ticking clock forcing a moral decision) then I don't know what to tell you. That's the thing- I can. The Oxygen Destroyer is a super genocide weapon that is not based in reality at all. It is a super weapon that is given the weight needed as a device that can kill Godzilla. The bundle o nukes in Kill The Moon are closer to the special V8 missiles in Godzilla VS Mothra 1964, or the nuclear weapon strike promised in Godzilla Returns, 1984. Both are presented by very sure minded scientists that this will be what ends Godzilla, but both are based on weapons we know and understand, and so we know that they won't work. Same thing here. The nukes are too realistic a plot device for what they wanted because we know how they work and why they wouldn't work. If you can buy into it, that's fine. But there's nothing in the rest of the episode that helps you do that.
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May 26, 2015 21:13
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docbeard posted:So which episodes of Doctor Who do you like? Oh I'm a huge fan of Doctor Who. I enjoyed most of season 1 with a few exceptions, large parts of season 2, more than not of season 3, almost all of 4, all of season 5 except for Cold Blood... Hell within season 7 and 8, four of my favorite episodes have happened. Mummy, Town Called Mercy, Flatline, Cold War.
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May 26, 2015 21:32
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Bicyclops posted:I mean, I think the general trajectory of the episode is enough that we, as an audience, are pretty sure that the scientists are right, particularly as the science authority for the show, the Doctor, is presenting the entire situation as a moral dilemma. It may feel unrealistic enough for you that it becomes too difficult to swallow, but I don't think there's confusion on behalf of the narrative as written. Oh no, I acknowledge that it killing the dragon is a more personal issue. It being able to destroy the moon on the other hand, less scientifically viable in a more public sense.
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May 26, 2015 21:42
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