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This is going to be interesting because I see no possible scenario where the Democratic Party lets Hillary be challenged publicly from the left. They'll probably cancel the primary debates so Hilldawg doesn't have to answer questions about the TPP, or her relationship with Goldman Sachs, or any of the shady-rear end people that have given her husband money. There's no way that Bernie Sanders will be allowed to stand on a stage next to The Chosen One and talk about actual populist economic policy to contrast with her empty platitudes.
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Frijolero posted:Vote Sanders in the primary and Jill Stein in the final.
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Apr 30, 2015 15:57
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The only problem with a Bernie Sanders candidacy is that when Hillary beats him, all of her horrible blue dog supporters will point to Sanders and say "see you liberals had your shot and lost fair and square, now you have to fall in line and vote for Mrs. Goldman Sachs" Part of me would prefer to have the weird-rear end no-challenger primary that Hillary was gunning for because the optics would more closely resemble what is actually happening in this party. I guess that there's still the very real chance that Bernie will be ignored by the media and shutout of debates and events.
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Apr 30, 2015 17:30
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Neptr posted:Yeah, if there's one thing leftists are good at, it's conceding defeat and unifying behind a single candidate. I'm just saying that having a symbolic leftist candidate take a dive for Hillary gives this primary at least some appearance of being legitimate, when it really isn't. This may end up helping her in the long run, although I think her and her supporters would rather basically run unopposed and then work on bullying and scaring enough of the left into showing up. They can't purge the left because they actually need us to some extent. I'm sure that every empty gesture Hillary makes towards the left burns her like holy water on a vampire though.
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Apr 30, 2015 17:46
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Ain't that a bitch? yeah it's pretty bad that he won both elections essentially by default because the Republicans couldn't put up sane candidates that responsible people could support, but thems the breaks.
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Apr 30, 2015 18:08
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Neptr posted:Obama knows how to run a drat good campaign, don't take that away from him. It's just about the only thing he's good at. His ground game was good, targeted ads were good, he controlled the narrative well, and then when it looked like Romney might get close, booooom drop the 47% sound byte like a Hellfire missile on a Toyota in the desert. Republicans were just outplayed. The funny part about the 47% video is I remember fighting about it on Daily Kos weeks or months before it hit the mainstream media, a lot of people thought it was fake and that liberals should ignore it. I don’t think that the Obama campaign had much to do with it, or that Romney would have won without the video being released. Romney was just a phony, unlikeable rear end in a top hat that made a fortune by hurting people and most Americans could see that.
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Apr 30, 2015 18:36
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mysterious frankie posted:Well, he won the second election that way. He ran an amazing campaign first time around. He convinced people that a vote for him was a vote for a time machine that would take America back to the Clinton years. Agreed, but it sure didn't hurt that McCain/Palin was a complete laughingstock.
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Apr 30, 2015 18:37
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Frijolero posted:Bill Maher is worse in everyway than any of the filthy assholes FOX News has on air. lol, look at this guy.
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Apr 30, 2015 19:57
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I like Bernie but his role in this election is to concede to Hillary and enthusiastically endorse her so that angry liberals can feel OK about supporting her, and to make this look like a real primary. He's probably on Goldman Sachs payroll too. Also I'll bet good money that he never gets the opportunity to answer economic questions on the same stage as Hillary. He'll drop out early to eliminate the risk of contrasting their economic views directly. Jill Stein 2016.
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May 2, 2015 16:50
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Cubey posted:if sanders had not made a career out of sticking to his guns for three decades i'd be more inclined to believe you. as it stands i expect him to go HAM. Bernie says he's independent and says he's a socialist but he always votes with the Democrats; he is a good little partisan. z0glin Warchief posted:He will almost certainly drop out and endorse Hillary (unless she has a stroke or something and doesn't end up the nom), but So he's running in good faith but he knows that he's not going to win and we all know that he will endorse Hillary? He's bringing those pesky liberals home to the Democratic Party, just like a good little partisan would do. The future of Wall Street depends on it.
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May 2, 2015 17:04
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Cubey posted:hillary does not need sanders to win the presidential election. if she ran unopposed for the democratic primary she would still beat the republicans because they have zero electable candidates and this is not going to change. you're off your rocker if you buy what you are trying to sell here. Hillary going basically unopposed by the left and cruising into a coronation would cause some problems, a lot of people would split off and go third party or not vote at all. It would be similar to 2000. Especially if the Republicans pick someone that isn't immediately identifiable as a crazy person, like Jeb for example. Hillary's not going to let us voters gently caress this up for her. If the left needs a nod before they get scorned and ignored for 8 years, Hillary is willing to let that nod be the symbolic and non-threatening candidacy of Bernie Sanders.
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May 2, 2015 17:12
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rezatahs posted:even though i'm starting to sincerely believe this grand clinton-sanders-goldman-sachs master scheme of yours(lol) it's going to backfire hard when crazy lefties like me still won't vote for the hilldawg in the general Bernie's candidacy will lend enough false legitimacy to this MTV reality show that many self-described liberals will "reluctantly" end up voting for Hillary in the election.
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May 2, 2015 17:14
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Cubey posted:yeah bro, because when i think of electable reublicans, another bush is the first thing that springs to mind Wait until the media spends a few months spinning him as a moderate conservative with a record of cooperation and fiscal responsibility, he's the smart Bush after all. And he probably won't say anything too ridiculous during the campaign. You won't get a 47% video out of Jeb. We live in an insane country.
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May 2, 2015 17:16
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Cubey posted:it does not matter how the media tries to spin him, the republicans do not have a strong enough voter base to win a presidential election no matter the candidate. ... unless shitloads of Democrats stay home or vote third party. And Good Democrat Bernie Sanders is making sure that he herds the stray liberals into Hillary's pen for her.
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May 2, 2015 17:26
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z0glin Warchief posted:I mean that is basically what will happen, but I think it's safe to say Bernie is making a good faith effort to pull the dialogue to the left, and he knows that the best way for him to do so is pose as credible a threat in the primary as possible, so he'll be doing his best to win. We just all know that it won't happen barring an act of god or similar. The only part of Hillary that's going to be pulled to the left is her rhetoric, temporarily. The left doesn't have the kind of money needed to make Hillary change any of her views or plans. Good faith or not, the only role that Bernie's candidacy has in this election is lending legitimacy to Hillary's coronation and bringing stray liberals back to the party for the general election. The odd part about all of the disagreement with me is that nobody really even questions the fact that Hillary is destined to win and that Bernie will endorse her. If it's fixed then why the gently caress are you helping to make it look like it's not?
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May 2, 2015 17:50
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Baumann posted:So they announced that there's gonna be six debates in the democratic primaries. Don't happen until the fall, so there's most likely going to be more than just Hilary and our boy Bernie. They also announced a new rule where participation in non-Democratic Party sanctioned debates gets you banned from future Democratic Party debates. So no more debates hosted or arranged by any group other than the Party establishment. Maybe I'm too cynical, but somehow this is going to be used to prevent Hillary from facing questions that she's uncomfortable about answering.
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May 6, 2015 23:06
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In Florida you only to be registered one month before the election to vote, even for party primaries. Usually by the time we get to vote in the Democratic primary the race is pretty much decided though. Vote whoever you want in the primary, but be sure to vote for Jill Stein in the general. Unless Bernie beats Hillary (that will not be allowed to happen).
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May 7, 2015 00:21
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you irl posted:i know that, i meant how do they count the votes? simple nationwide majority? or is there some electoral system? the votes in the primary are used to assign a number of delegates who go to the convention and vote for whoever their state supposedly wants to be the candidate. Democrats make the delegates proportional to the way the vote broke down per state. Here's where it gets evil: superdelegates. A large percentage of the delegate votes (like 1/4 iirc) are just straight-up given to elected office holders and party officials. So right off the bat the establishment gets a big head start. basically it's insanely retarded but also ingeniously set up to provide an emergency plan in case a real non-establishment person wins the nomination. the delegates could ultimately vote however they want and the superdelegates themselves hold tremendous influence over who is the candidate. They can force a candidate that isn't even close to winning the most votes, which is exactly what would happen if Bernie got the most votes in the primary. Jill Stein 2016
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May 7, 2015 00:36
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Dapper Dan posted:it is in theory there to save us from an insane person but it is really there to stop people like bernie. if bernie wins most of the delegates yet the super delegates throw in for clinton it will be a huge poo poo show. nah the media machine would just blast "ONLY HILLARY CAN WIN THE GENERAL AND BERNIE IS A SOCIALIST DO YOU WANT TED CRUZ TO BE PRESIDENT?" at 200 decibels 24/7 and we'd all just hang our heads and accept it.
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Zev posted:how did the mix of delegates vs super-delegates pan out for obama? the wiki breaks it down pretty well, but can you imagine any democrats in congress, or governors, or party officials voting for Bernie instead of Hillary? If the race even looks close you can guarantee that all of those votes go to her.
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