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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I didn't really like Persona 4 but I'm still willing to acknowledge that it's a good game with a good story.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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corn in the bible posted:

yeah but really gently caress videogames

I will, just let me know if you find some :q:

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Ekster posted:

MMOs are awful, period.

I love when an MMO rolls out new content but they have to make it challenging both to vets who are max level and people who are just coming in new so they offer this weird sloppy compromise that lets new players level up crazy fast because there's no other way to make everybody happy. MMOs seem like the most unrewarding shlock ever, and this is coming from someone who played Final Fantasy 14 for quite a long time before realizing its only purpose for me was something to do with my hands while I watched Netflix.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Blacklist does have a lot of not so great things dragging it down. Fisher controls like he's drunk and the FOV zooms like right in on him when you're sneaking, which are both very annoying. It also does that thing where there's a massive list of guns and gadgets and outfits that are only very slightly different from one another so they don't matter at all. And half the guns aren't silenced, in a stealth video game about a stealthy super spy where the goal is to be stealthy.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Letting you play it like a cover shooter and go entirely loud if you want to is, on the one hand, nice because it encourages players to try out different playstyles. On the other, it's a bit jarring to have Fisher talk about how he should remain undetected in full body armor and a riot gear night vision helmet while carrying 2 shotguns and a revolver. But then again, Fisher's character in Blacklist is godawful and so are all of the rest of the characters so maybe it doesn't matter. It was still a fun game, but boy was I disappointed after seeing the potential it held to not suck.

CJacobs fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jun 22, 2015

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Just buy a comfortable office chair. It will have 100% less embarrassing branding on it.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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A Steampunk Gent posted:

I've not tried LISA, it gets alot of praise from the same crowd who love stuff like Deadly Premonition and poo poo and that's is enough to put me off.

Then why post that, other than to snipe at people who like Deadly Premonition?

You should try LISA, it's a good, interesting game imo. Slowbeef did a stream of it that you could watch a little bit of to see if it's something you'd be interested in. It's all up on his Youtube channel.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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A Steampunk Gent posted:

My apologies for insulting the honour of your game, I hope you can make it through this trying time

you're a child

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I wouldn't say there are any explicitly bad Zelda games, but some are better than others in terms of quality.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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The crossbow game that came packaged with the Wii remotes kinda sucked but it was free and a fun challenge so I wouldn't say it's bad per se.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Just Cause 3 still looks to me like Just Cause 2 But With Better Graphics which I am, again, very okay with. As long as the world feels less empty overall this time anyway.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I hope Fallout 4 won't suck and I don't think it will, but if it does suck, it'll be in a way that mods can easily fix. That's something that has been concurrent with every Fallout game ever made and I doubt it will change with this one.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Adam Bowen posted:

Except for Fallout 3 which is the only Fallout game made by Bethesda. There was no way to fix that poo poo.

Yeah you're right, I just said "every fallout game" because what I meant was "every fallout game except for 3" and that's how human beings talk.

The writing in Fallout 4 will be just as meh-worthy as 3's if not more so because of Troy Baker-ification but like 3 it will still be a great game regardless, even if it requires some tweaking to not crash every five minutes.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Adam Bowen reaped again :(

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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"microtransactions are ok when someone i like does it"

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Couldn't you hit on your own daughter in the last one

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I can think of very few games that released as broken as Arkham Knight (one of which was by the same studio) so I'm gonna have to say no.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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There is a very stark difference between "this game literally does not work for the most people trying to play it" and "this game has glitches that can be patched". The vast majority of "games these days" are nothing like the former. Assassin's Creed's face bug thing is an example of the latter.

CJacobs fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Jun 26, 2015

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Real hurthling! posted:

worthless plastic crap for free is the right price. you are not dumb

Lol are you one of those bleeding heart "hey man it's your money spend it on what you want but JUST KNOW THAT I DONT APPROVE" people that lives and dies on whether anybody cares what they think, cause you sound like that

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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What a baby thing to call someone dumb about. "You're not spending your money the right way on things that don't matter, you idiot". Life is fragile man. Do what makes you happy. Don't try to stop other people from being happy.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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precision posted:

back in my day if Ultima 6 wouldn't run you had to make your own boot disk out of wild guesses and we liked it!!!!

also though EB Games would let you return opened software if you told them "it won't run on my comouter"

so it's all coming full circle

though honestly i don't know why people buy console games on PC anyway (esp. something like arkham knight)

Because they don't own a console. :geno:

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Stux posted:

if youre buying collectors editions with plastic toys of a toy you are a loving child sorry

Bold statement. Counterpoint: Children don't have money. Checkmate.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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PC gaming is the best, warts and all, namaste

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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corn in the bible posted:

toys are for children and videogames are toys

"I'm VERY in touch with my inner child!!" - Ocelot, Metal Gear Solid: Human Revolution

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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The point still stands though. People play video games on consoles because you don't have to gently caress with any settings or options, you just put the game in and play it. Whether the game is buggy or not is on a by-game basis after that. You can be 100% sure that the game will work on the console the same way for everybody who owns it because they've all got the same pre-set parts in them.

edit: Or because they want to play video games from their TV on the couch or whathaveyou, but it's 2015 so they could just stream their PC to their TV if they wanted to do that.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I meant bugs aside, I guess I should've said that instead

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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All anime-based media is legally required to have a beach episode or else the creators are fined like ten thousand dollars, it's actually kind of a bullshit law tbh

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Sakurazuka posted:

The beach episode of Berserk sure was a thing.

Berserk's not an anime

edit: Well it had an anime adaption but that doesn't count, saying that counts would be like asking why WW2 didn't have a beach episode

edit again: Wait World War 2 did have a beach episode, gently caress

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Adam Bowen posted:

Anime is not good you guys

Actually, it is

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Chie is great if you like over-written, annoying characters

edit: Persona 4 is great if you like over-written, annoying characters

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I am not a fan of the game

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Adam Bowen posted:

You don't deserve Persona

It's okay you can keep it

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Lurdiak posted:

I'm playing Fallout 2, the makers of this game were way too horny.

I believe 2 is the one where you can become a porn star complete with reputation perk and the only thing that actually happens from it is that drug dealers charge you more for chems.

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Yup. I never knew vault boy wasn't a natural blonde!

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I was kind of astounded by how hard Human Revolution poo poo the bed right at the very end. They were doing so, so good, and then the final level was crap. The final boss was crap. The "ending" was crap. It didn't ruin the whole game or anything but boy was it a downer considering how good of a stride it had going prior to Jensen going to Panchaea.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Sleeveless posted:

The commentary for Human Revolution is pretty good but the commentary for Panchaea is kind of sad because a lot of it is apologizing or explaining what they were going for and how disappointed they were with the final product. There's a whole bit about how they hate how the "zombies" turned out because they wanted to have people that were panicked and hallucinating but since it was the last part of the game they worked on and they didn't have the time or resources to really build up a unique AI just for that one part of the game they wound up just bring crazy zombie people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR2sxfImoM4&t=220s

drat, that really is kind of depressing. Like every other commentary node in that video is "We think x didn't turn out as good as we wanted" or "we didn't have time to do x so it turned out pretty bad" and it's like man, that must suck as someone who puts months, sometimes years' worth of effort into a huge game like Deus Ex.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Actually they're all pretty good. Bioshock Infinite is probably the least good out of all of them by an extremely wide margin but it's not a bad game. It is a good example though of how sometimes a video game's story being mediocre can drag down the entire experience.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I dunno I thought the gameplay was not nearly as bad as people say it is. The only thing I didn't really like is that the not-plasmids don't have much variation but I didn't use much besides the stun one and the fire one anyway and those didn't stop being fun or effective so I wasn't all that bothered.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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I will give you that. There really wasn't a lot of enemy variation and the handymen were a crap replacement for big daddies so I can see how that might make it dull. I guess I just have a high tolerance for repetitive gameplay, which I will admit Infinite was. I just don't think it was so repetitive as to be bad.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Nasgate posted:

Fact: Every game gets worse the later in it, because they're rushing to meet deadlines.

So if the first hour of a game is poo poo, you can easily assume the rest is garbage.

That is generally true but the first hour of Deus Ex HR is a borderline masterstroke of a tutorial because they have you use all of the game's mechanics without stopping the gameplay to force you to do it and therefore it's not poo poo so that argument does not apply. Also, video games are not made in chronological order.

Also also, consider that it is you who are the dumbass.

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CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

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Nasgate posted:

No, but i know QA testers generally do not play through the entire game. Neither do initial game reviewers. So a polished front end is both easier to have and more important for release sales.

You're right, the first part of the game is what the vast overwhelming majority of people who play it will see and will see most often. The opening of the game being polished is definitely important. But what you said before that, which In Training was responding to, was "Fact: Every game gets worse the later in it, because they're rushing to meet deadlines." which is not even close to the same sentiment. Your goalpost moving is only reinforcing the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about, friendo.

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