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I feel like someone should create a thread about the problems of modern/online social justice activism in general, of which gamergate is a microcosm. Someone other than me.
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Jun 26, 2015 14:20
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Thunder Moose posted:Serious post: I thought it all began with Rome 2 when the game was realized in a really poor form (unplayable) despite a lot of review companies giving it like 9/10s and 10/10s. Basically "gaming journalism" was a farce since Day 1 but "gamers" didn't care until some indie dev was accused of sleeping with someone for a favorable review. gamergate then became about sexism in gaming culture instead of "ethics in gaming journalism" or whatever the pro-GG side claimed, and has since blossomed into a particularly shrill and vapid microcosm of anti-oppression activism.
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Jun 26, 2015 14:31
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paranoid randroid posted:[chugging boyd rice beat] DO YOU WANT TWITTER WAR? #throwoutchristandbringbackthor
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Jun 26, 2015 16:26
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Effectronica posted:Not really. Even if someone rejects the hourglass figure that's the current ideal in the US, most of Europe, and Japan, they still understand that to be sexy. And that's what virtually every female character in fighting games, barring literal children, has, along with a revealing costume that highlights sexuality. Even a character like Sakura that's on the low end of this scale still gets bigger boobs and a wider midriff when translated to merchandise.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:34
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I started following it later, but Hellthread never seemed especially pro- or anti-GG. It seemed more like everyone was just enjoying watching the slow motion train wreck.
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Jun 26, 2015 16:39
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Since SJW is a dirty word now, can we come up with another term for online outrage addicts / call-out culturists.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:13
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natetimm posted:I don't believe actual "feminists" hate anything, but I do believe the folks participating in outrage culture, identity politics, and whatever else you want to call the lunatic fringe have created a situation where they have bluffed certain industries into believing they are a bigger market force than they actually are. You can see this by the current whining and temper tantrums thrown by the indie crowd in gaming over steam refunds and not enough people buying their "artistic" games. There was an article a little while ago where someone made the observation that the big name studios are probably pro-GG by default, but by refusing to participate they get to keep their hands clean of the mess, let their gamer nerd proxies do the dirty work, and deny the anti-GG people the confrontation they want.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:16
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Popular Thug Drink posted:there are many important scholars shaping cutting edge discussion via tweets, i'll have you know
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Jun 26, 2015 19:35
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Dreylad posted:which unviersity e. And so are weird internet trolls and I don't want to be party to her catching grief for her righteous & strange opinions.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:38
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Effectronica posted:So you got that from a meme but don't actually know. K. Life is strange. e. Maybe I was being un-generous in my paraphrasing. I believe the word she actually used was "discourse", not "activism". 'Some of the most important Social Justice discourse is happening on Twitter'
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Jun 26, 2015 19:43
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If there's one thing we can all agree on, it's that anti-oppression work's best hope is the expansion of police discretionary power.
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Jun 26, 2015 19:58
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I said come in! posted:This one time Brianna Wu posted a picture she took of a guy at an airport. He was laying down on the floor, up against a wall, so he was blocking nothing, and she posted this picture of him without his consent, and called him a manspreader. Every single person that responded, told her she was wrong and kind of an rear end in a top hat for posting a pic of a stranger.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:01
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From my point of view, Feminism is evil!
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Jun 26, 2015 20:26
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Dapper_Swindler posted:http://www.reaxxion.com/9936/sjws-want-lead-artist-jason-martin-fired-from-new-doom-game This is a proportional response. Also nobody cares about Twitter and outrage culture isn't real.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:55
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Effectronica posted:"3 Ways You're Being Lied To
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Jun 26, 2015 20:58
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Effectronica seriouspost why are you so intent on dismissing accusations of a callout/outrage culture in certain Leftist circles and particularly in regards to how they conduct themselves on social media?
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Jun 26, 2015 21:01
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icantfindaname posted:Because it isn't a real problem I would say it's potentially a problem if people associate it with Leftist activism as a whole.
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Jun 26, 2015 21:07
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Effectronica posted:Because it's not real. It's something that people are making up in order to engage in leftist infighting, which is something that is probably thousands of years old. When people call something "callout culture" or "outrage culture", ultimately their statement comes down to a belief that technocratic soullessness is the only way to get things done, even if all they wanted to do was push back over doctrinal matters. I don't think you can have it both ways -- you can't effect change through naming and shaming the Social (Media) Justice Left wants to, though. It wants to say oppression is systemic but then it wants to get its pound of flesh through individual acts of contrition.
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Jun 26, 2015 21:10
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Isn't saying "the concern with 'ethics in gaming journalism' is valid but talking about it under the GG brand invalidates the argument' just tone policing?
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Jun 29, 2015 14:28
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The trouble with leaderless groups is that the only qualifier for entry is saying "I support #X" and suddenly you're as much an authority as anyone else. The people who actually care about gaming journalism could create a new group tomorrow and it would be co-opted by misogynist assholes with hashtags, whose acerbic bullshit would come to define the movement by default regardless of how valid the claims of the originators.
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Jun 29, 2015 14:40
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Ddraig posted:No. If the only difference between a valid and invalid argument is the hashtag used, then that's tone policing.
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Jun 29, 2015 14:49
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