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CelticPredator posted:There's some spoilers for Covenant out there, no idea if their real, links also gone...but it sounds super dope to be honest. I'm more excited about it. It's definitely a sequel to Prometheus but with more Alien. Are they new or old? Wondering if they're the ones that state David creates the xenomorph by fusing android and protomorph (the alien on the Covenant poster) DNA and fucks with Walter or something else. Xenomrph posted:The comic series is 'Aliens: Apocalypse'. Thanks for the info, I'm going to try and find a way to read it because although I don't like the vast majority of expanded universe creations, that sounds like one of the more interesting ones and worth checking out so I'll try and find it. As for the Engineers in Prometheus, the idea that God is real and doesn't care about you or even like you is interesting and Scott was close to clinching something good with that idea but didn't really execute the theme terribly well, in my opinion. It looks like Covenant may very well tackle it again but from a slightly different angle given the rumors/spoilers. For me personally though Prometheus was frustrating in how it could have been a truly incredible film but had silly stumbles throughout, and it would have benefited tremendously from more time in production.
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Yeah, all the leaks tie together in a convincing way so I'm guessing all of that is real. I'm glad that Fassbender will have such a large part in the film because he really was phenomenal in Prometheus. Comparatively I've never understood the fondness people had for Shaw since she was a mediocre character at best and it was disappointing how much potential was wasted with Vickers. Still, if that scene describing David flying the ship over the Engineer citadel and doing what he does, then that's going to be a spectacular scene to see.
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General Battuta posted:Yeah, same. It'll be a bummer if (covenant spoilers) we don't learn much more about the Engineers, though. I think Prometheus will be a stronger movie in retrospect if Covenant deepens the confusion and mystery around their motives re: creating humanity and then deciding to gently caress us up with goo. Give me more of those arrogant marble hitlers! I don't care that much about having the original alien 'explained', but I am interested in Ridley Scott's question of why anyone would make such a terrible thing. The thing is though, is that just because David eradicates all Engineer life on their home world, it doesn't mean that there still isn't others out there that have colonized other planets. We hear references to a citadel and the charred/mummified remains of the Engineers still there from when David unleashed the weapon on them, but for such an advanced race that was out seeding worlds with life, I'm sure they'll appear again in a future film in the series (Ridley Scott is directing another two or three Alien movies after Covenant). Besides, I recall Scott mentioning that the final film will lead into what we see in the original Alien which indicates we've got a long way to go yet.
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It's astonishing that this guy just went on a huge rant about Capitalism but blamed it on Socialism and the Illuminati. That organic mushroom coffee sounds awesome though, maybe we should order some.
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Looks like another project that Ridley Scott's involved in starts on Saturday, an 8-part TV series called Taboo featuring Tom Hardy. Definitely looks interesting and makes me hopeful that one of Scott's future Alien movies actually manages to get Hardy as part of the cast since he'd likely have a good dynamic with whatever droid Fassbender was playing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmg8RDntkLc
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Kinda Alien-related post here, but I was thinking about how those spore sack things in the Alien: Covenant trailer were a little boring and unimaginative and it turns out that we have some much more interesting and alien-like plants on Earth, such as this weird monstrosity below which hatches and unfurls pink tentacles that are covered in black goo. It's called Clathrus Archeri and as well as looking like a real life version of a xeno egg that gives birth to freaky pink tentacles that are covered in sticky black spores, apparently it smells like rotting flesh as well.  
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If they ever insist on showing the origins of the black goo I hope it's revealed as coming from an utterly bizarre and freaky-looking alien planet that's infested with weird plant life that looks just like that, but it would probably take way too large of a budget to create.
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If the leaked ending of Alien: Covenant is correct and an egg (or more?) is snuck onto the colony ship with hundreds/thousands of colonists in stasis, it's going to be interesting to see if Ridley actually puts together a sequel where we literally see a huge black swarm of the things somewhere after the entire ship is presumably infected.
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Yeah, the marines in Aliens are clearly experienced at their job and actually behave like professionals once they're on LV426 and entering the facility. The poo poo-talking macho bravado evaporates as they favor silence and caution while maneuvering around the facility as a tactical unit. Things go bad when they're faced with an enemy that they've never encountered before in an environment they're unfamiliar with ("They're coming outta the goddamn walls!") under the directions of an inexperienced commander. Gorman does know how to handle the situation professionally though, and relays fallback procedure and covering fire tactics to Apone as all hell breaks loose, the problem is everything's turning to poo poo too fast and once the chain of command is broken and Apone is gone the marines are alone and put up the best fight they can while retreating. I think James Cameron did a good job of balancing the bravado and arrogance of the marines while also demonstrating that they clearly know what they're doing and what happens when experienced soldiers are put into a situation against an utterly alien enemy that they've never encountered. They even mount a sensible defense in operations with what equipment they do have, but again get caught out by these alien creatures somehow being smart enough to cut the power and having unconventional access to the room. This is disappointing. I hold Alien 3 in high regard and find the notion of retconning it to be foolish, but I would really like to see an Alien movie directed by Blomkamp because he's a talented director and the film would no doubt be a visual treat.
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Didn't Whedon want Chow Yun-Fat for Resurrection, or am I confusing that with something else? It's funny to imagine a John Woo styled Alien movie with a bunch of marines led by Chow going nutty in a Xeno-filled bullet ballet.
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The shot of the decimated engineer city looks great, and it's fascinating to see how it turned out after set photos leaked so long ago.
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I think the protomorph looks great, it's just a little unusual seeing a creature like this in daylight is all. The main problems with the visuals in Prometheus were how poorly done the interiors of the Engineer facility were, with the set design being really disappointing and looking like it was rushed through production. No idea how Covenant will fare in comparison but the shot of the ruined city looks good.  Pretty so-so on the movie in general but I still want to see it because of my interest in Fassbender's characters. If it wasn't for David (and now Walter as well) it would be hard to get excited for this film.
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oswald ownenstein posted:word on the street is that xenomorphs as we know them and basically everything in both movies were created by David Yeah, and I consider that to be a far more interesting origin story than the xenos merely being some kind of biological weapon. I'm fairly sure that the creature in the trailer is the protomorph as well, and that they're keeping the reveal of the classic xenomorph that David creates for the climax of the film. It's going to be fascinating to see how Walter plays in to this as well, if the leaked script is true with David being killed but Walter continuing his work and taking an egg on to the colony ship where thousands of colonists are in stasis.
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MacheteZombie posted:Isn't that Vader? Nah, his helmet's too short. Here's some interesting Covenant trivia from a set visit posted over at Joblo. quote:Ridley Scott decided to come back to the world of ALIEN after being let down by the AVP films. Moreover, he listened to the fans who craved aliens in Prometheus hence why Prometheus 2 goes back to ALIEN territory even down to its title. As Scott said while I was on set: “They want Aliens, I’ll give them f*cking Aliens”. More at the link. Really hope there's b-roll footage of cast members being knocked the gently caress out by the facehugger cannon.
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Didn't Cameron only just recently finalize the script for the first Avatar sequel? I think his aim is still to film 3 or 4 sequels back-to-back before he even releases one of them, so the whole project sounds like it's going to be stuck in production hell for a very long time. I get the impression he desperately needs someone to reign him in and get him back on track, which isn't ever going to happen because of who he is.
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The red band trailer for Covenant featured a new shot of David's workshop
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CelticPredator posted:I honestly really don't. Just tell me a good story with an Alien in it. That's all I want. I even love Prometheus! I would be fine with more Prometheus' with weird Alien-like creatures so long as they had the aesthetic of Alien. I thought that the creature design in Prometheus was generally poor with the exception of the trilobite, which I'd love to see more of. It's actually a little disappointing that thus far we've only seen creatures that are at most marginally larger than humans, it would be great to see much larger creatures appear in this franchise that invoke a similar sense of awe that the space jockey in Alien did. I'd like to see Ridley start playing with scale and show bizarre Giger-ish creatures that completely dwarf the cast. CelticPredator posted:I just like getting Hicks and Newt fans all angry. Not that I don't like them, but that being THE REASON why Alien 3 is so bad to them is silly poo poo. I guess I'm the odd one out here in the sense that I thought killing Newt & Hicks was a great idea and Alien 3 is a brilliant film, but I would also really like to see an Alien movie made by Blomkamp. I don't think it's a good idea to retcon Alien 3 so we can have old man Hicks running around with Ripley and an older Newt, but I'm eager to see anything that Blomkamp does with the franchise because he's a good director with a superb eye for visual design that would fit the franchise perfectly.
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Neo Rasa posted:Regardless of thoughts on Prometheus, I think Ridley Scott was right when he said the Alien as a general shape and concept is so saturated in culture that the base "there's an Alien stalking everyone" or "Oh my God.....TONS OF ALIENS!" are no longer going to be enough to cut it as the basis for a movie about them. Funnily enough Prometheus was actually just going to be a standard Alien movie until Fox execs demanded that Ridley create new creatures for the film instead. Neo Rasa posted:Then again, how premature am I really being? Blomkamp released some of those concept pieces of haggard Hicks/etc., and said it was just some fun thing. Then a few months later it was announced that he was actively working with Fox on a new Alien movie because he was so upset that Hicks and Newt died. Then....whatever work was done on the movie was shelved. I know it's cynical of me but I have to think if he had something really good beyond that it'd still be getting made now and set to come out in like spring 2019 or whatever. As far as I understand it, his pitch was accepted and Sigourney etc. were all on board to go, and the only thing that stopped the project was Ridley Scott stepping in and asking Fox to delay it because he wants to do his Prometheus sequels first. Apparently during production of Covenant they got a team together to create some kind of reference bible for the franchise as well, presumably to hand over to Blomkamp when the time comes for him to start the project. I've got a feeling from recent comments however that Blomkamp's already moved on and doesn't want to wait for Ridley to finish his trilogy, which is why he says the chances of the project now happening are slim.
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Tenzarin posted:Elysium is about a Mexican named Genuinely fascinating to see that Elysium rubs so many American viewers the wrong way. This is one of the tamer responses of course, but it's so bizarre that the film generates this kind of reaction.
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I got the impression that David was a one-off prototype considering that Weyland thought of him as a son. It seems that Walter is the final version that goes into mass production following some refinements.
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Apparently the next Alien movie will be a prequel to Covenant  quote:Recently, Scott said he could continue making Alien movies as long as there's an appetite for them, and that the next film is already written. We tried to ask him just how many were on the books now, and we warn you that the following may be a bit spoilery...
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Alienwarehouse posted:Alien Covenant is getting a lot of promotion: http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/empire-alien-covenant-subscriber-exclusive-cover-revealed/ There's scans from this over here. Be warned, it contains lots of spoilers, both visual and textual.
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This is the best part of the prologue: I hope David gets a lot of screen time in Covenant, he's the main reason I'll be watching the film.
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CDHiggs posted:"No one hated it more than me; to this day, no one hates it more than me." This quote from Fincher is even better: “My daughter had a friend named Max. She told me ‘Fight Club’ is his favorite movie. I told her never to talk to Max again.”
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Plavski posted:These movies have been weird for him. He initially wanted to have the xeno in Prometheus but Fox wanted him to completely remove it. He re-worked everything around the premise of the xeno not being in there and wanted to tell a different, more interesting story. Then after Prom came out everyone was saying "where the gently caress is the xeno?". Ixian posted:I don't know that premise is accurate. Every interview with Scott after Prometheus indicated it was more or less the story he wanted to tell and if anything the Xeno being shoehorned in at the end was a Fox thing, not the opposite. Plavski is correct. I recall reading a great article where the crew went into a lot of detail about the creation of the creatures for the film, and they were explicit in stating that Prometheus was originally a standard Alien film with xenos until Fox told Ridley Scott to replace them with some new original creatures instead. I think it kinda paid off because the trilobite was one of the best parts of Prometheus (both the medpod scene and the fully grown reveal) aside from David, but the other creature designs were very weak and uninspired in comparison, I thought. If the plot details of Covenant are true then I really hope that the sequel is a crew of pirates or something stumbling upon the Covenant floating through space and boarding the ship to discover all sorts of nightmarish poo poo that David has created from experimenting on all those colonists in stasis. Just go all the way with Cronenberg-style body horror mixed with Giger art.
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Plavski posted:Yeah, but the Voice of God, Ridley Scott, says David created the xenomorph. It's hilarious that there's so much speculation and theorizing about how all of this connects when the guy behind it all actually has no idea what he's doing with the story or how it even works. I haven't seen Covenant yet but I really like the idea of David creating the xenomorphs, however it's funny seeing Ridley blunder through his attempts to retake control of what he considers to be his franchise. He's lucky that he has Fassbender to carry this stuff.
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K. Waste posted:Moving forward from this, you make this arbitrary distinction between Ripley using guns to annihilate an indigenous population, and Ripley using the powerloader. But the powerloader is not this apolitical machine. It is owned by the Weyland-Yutani corporation, who are funding this entirely military enterprise to begin with. To the extent that the 'Chekov's gun moment' occurs, that punchy scene in which Ripley runs away and then emerges from the dark in this embiggened suit of armor, this does not contradict the militaristic context of the story at all. Ripley is using an artifact from her old life, owned and manufactured within the military industrial complex of her contemporary society, to annihilate an indigenous radical. This is not a fundamental contradiction of the non-issue that 'guns solve everything,' or whatever. The powerloader is not 'apolitical' whereas the guns are 'bad things' which signify the wrong way to go about indiscriminate killing of the voracious Other. It is an escalation of militaristic themes that pervade the entire narrative. The fake-out occurs for dramatically and thematically motivated reasons, but not out of any apparent 'necessity.' It is included in the film in order to further amp up the audience and suture them into Ripley's apolitical power fantasy and fairy tale. WY and the USCMC are two different companies, though. You might as well claim that forklift trucks are military vehicles as well.
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I'd really like to see David Fincher take over for the next film.
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Super Fan posted:People just want a dumb shooty Aliens type movie. Super Fan posted:"these movies are so booooriinnngg! Shoot something goddamnit" Who are these people? Nobody has made any posts like that.
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It would have been better if the ship that stumbled upon the beacon was the USM Auriga rather than the Covenant. Seeing Brad Dourif's crazy scientist interact with David and compare their creations would be fun.
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CelticPredator posted:Even if Cameron directed that, i'd be poo poo. There's nothing interesting left to tell in the Connor Saga. I think Salvation had a lot of potential. They could have crafted a great story had they focused on the angle of John Connor not knowing how to live up to the legend he was supposed to be, rather than trying to create new types of terminator and bringing back Arnie with CGI.
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Baronjutter posted:Other than actually following safety procedures in the first place and not letting kane back on the ship, probably not a lot. The huge refinery complex they were pulling probably had supplies and things as well, could have potentially ditched the nostromo and hid out on the refinery until help arrived? I mean I assume a complex as huge as that had some general living space and emergency supplies and such? It was practically a whole city. If they could wait in the refinery for help, I doubt they'd need to be put into hypersleep for the duration of the journey home. It seems obvious they'd either die of starvation or old age if they didn't have the hypersleep chamber.
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Ersatz posted:The "Rakka" short that Blomkamp just put out is good. Thanks for the heads-up on this, I just watched it and it's really good. I think Xeno will particularly enjoy it given his fondness for Aliens: Labyrinth, and it's impressive what Blomkamp was able to craft in a short time frame with a small budget.
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The ideal situation would be that Fox goes to Blomkamp and explains that Ridley has well and truly hosed it, then offers him a shot at the franchise on the condition that it's an original story and doesn't attempt to retcon prior films or bring back old characters.
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Looks like the next Alien movie got the green light from Fox. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWxDGO_9ZPg
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Covenant releases on DVD/BR on August 15th and will have 18 minutes of footage from 12 deleted and extended scenes. Will be interesting to see what was removed.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:e2: also I looked up Alien 3's age certifications on IMDB to see if that tidbit was actually right, because it really didn't sound right, and... well, I'll be damned. The UK, the Canadian provinces of Nova Scotia and Ontario, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Japan, Malaysia, Norway, Singapore, and Spain all follow suit with the US in giving it a R-equivalent rating; meanwhile, every other country has it at a PG-13 equivalent or lower, and Mexico re-rated it from a C (R equivalent) to an A (G equivalent) in 2016. The scene where Murphy gets sliced up by the fan is gruesome. The way that Clemens identifies the corpse by stating "That's his boot" afterwards is hilarious, though.
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This is for the best. Prometheus & Covenant prove that Alien was a great movie in spite of Scott, not because of him. We're just lucky that so many talented minds came together from the implosion of Jodorowsky's Dune to craft something so great, and that Scott didn't have enough pull at the time to gently caress it up.
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alf_pogs posted:i dont care if Scotts next movie with Fassbender as David doesnt have the word ALIEN or the creature involved at all. i'll still see it Okay but then you're watching junk like The Counselor.
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