fishmech posted:

Nam Taf posted:

The whole patching thing is this decade’s UAC. In 5 years no one will care about automatic updates; it’ll become normal (good) habit to let them through periodically and we’ll all be better for it. Of course, just as bad software had to be redesigned not to write to program files, so too will software have to maintain its state better across reboots.

History shows that such changes won’t come if MS keeps waiting, they have to apply the change, endure the bad PR, and finally have everyone align for the better. They’re between a rock and hard place. Users don’t actually think about anything past their immediate future, especially when security is involved. Many app developers also don’t care about security and preference lazy solutions over correct ones. MS, as a result, has to force users and app developers to do the right thing, even if it causes pain and results in bad PR for them.

1gnoirents posted:

I installed XP on a VM to use some obscure software (Microsoft gives away basically all versions of XP for free now) and it was actually more painful than I would have guessed. The internet basically does not function through any browser I could get my hands on. I was pretty surprised by that tbh

1gnoirents posted:

It was an issue with modern websites, even common ones would fail to load critical areas. I assumed it was just a lack of support for standards. I believe I tried Firefox but I definitely tried legacy Chrome and IE. It wasn't super critical so I didn't work on it much but I was very surprised at how bad it had gotten. Just a few years ago you could reasonably assume Grandma could still use the internet on her e-machine

Factor Mystic posted:

Search back in the thread for people whining that apps didn't automatically restore exactly as they were before shutdown. Now an app automatically restores and people are mad. "You mean I have to CLOSE my apps? Manually??? LIKE A COMMONER?"


Nobody will ever be happy.

wolrah posted:

The tl;dr version is that expanding a partition "to the right" is pretty much just a matter of updating the partition table and maybe some metadata depending on the filesystem in use. Expanding it "to the left" involves moving all of the header data and editing any data that's based on the offset from the beginning of the partition. The former is pretty much impossible to screw up, the latter has a lot of opportunity for things to go wrong.

mystes posted:

Yeah Android devices are sure known for their security and speedy updates.

Truga posted:

N-no? It still boots normally, I just can't log into my own user acct. I've been using this since early vista days and never had an issue. Thanks for the tip on changing path in settings though, I'll use that next time I reinstall.

isndl posted:

I'm guessing they are building a completely new index/cache, hence the part about it being a resource intensive activity. Plus they might be giving numbers for HDD based installs, SSD searching might be done in seconds without an index but lots of people still have HDD for bulk storage.

fishmech posted:

It doesn't do the first thing

quote:

why on earth would the second thing be named "check for updates"?

Double Punctuation posted:

As has been mentioned before, it’s so Microsoft’s servers don’t poo poo themselves every time they release an update trying to update everyone at once. It has nothing to do with how “ready” the update is. They thought it was ready for everyone, and they were wrong.

Atomizer posted:

I actually have been using an older USB2 drive, partially because USB3 compatibility issues were suspected a couple of years ago when I started doing this, and partially because it's got a little LCD on it that tells me the device name and thus exactly what it's for. (It's the 8 GB version of this, for those interested, and it appears to be well over 10 years old, so.... )

Anyways, I probably could just use a USB3 flash drive for this, and I even have a 16 GB mSATA SSD in an enclosure that I was going to use as cache, but it would make more sense to use it for my Windows install drive if that's really going to make a significant difference (and it certainly makes more sense to instead use a ~128 GB SSD as a more useful cache.)

astral posted:

To be fair, like 25% of that is ffmpeg, and 40-50% was a service host. Did that person post their specs, too, or are we supposed to figure them out from just how much of their CPU ffmpeg is eating?

fishmech posted:

Because you are online. Duh.

If you don't like it, go install Windows 98.

fishmech posted:

Keeping up to date on Windows is inherently better than randomly halting updates for months at a time.

It is not "fine" to skip half of them, it is something you may be forced to do by a specific issue your hosed up system has, and should not be done by anyone as a routine thing.

fishmech posted:

No I understand. They are skipping updates. There is no reason to skip these updates.

Whining about how they're 'builds' in your strange lingo is pointless.

Klyith posted:

there are irreconcilable differences between the people who appreciate useful little notifications and the people who hate stupid annoying popups. the cycle of software is for these features to be added, exist long enough for the first group to take them for granted, and then be removed when the second group bitches about them.


(also, any notification that isn't useful to you, the person receiving it, is a stupid annoying popup.)

Atomizer posted:

Oh, I'm fine with NTFS compression out of convenience. It's just annoying that there's no warning when formatting a volume (I had block size at 8 kB by the way, because I didn't know any better at the time regarding compression,) and there's no easy way to change it later if you still have data you need on it. I actually am making a 2nd backup of that drive right now so I can reformat it; I'm not going to pass up the opportunity to get compression enabled and save several hundred GB on my games drive before I add even more data to it.

c0burn posted:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements

Many CPUs require the latest 10 version.

Last Chance posted:

I forgot about that. What a completely boneheaded and idiotic move. Aside from the obvious and biggest issue of violating trust from the user for some shady addon, it makes the Mozilla team look like utter rubes to giving away free marketing to a TV show with zero benefit and only harm to them.

Last Chance posted:

Are you messing with me? They literally installed a browser plugin as part of a marketing campaign for HBO's Mr. Roboto for free. I guess that makes it okay somehow?


Can you clarify what "the underlying action" was again here? The thing that was okay? I really wanna know what it is

Lambert posted:

Was the extension they pushed to users that would send all user interactions with websites and visited URLs to a third-party also a neat easter egg?

Also, I don't like ads pushed to my browser in general, doesn't matter you think it's "neat".

Last Chance posted:

Yeah I don't know, considering that the Mozilla team probably worked directly with USA's marketing/advertising departmetn to make this ARG plugin that promoted a TV show, I don't know if there's any meaningful difference between an "easter egg" and an advertisement in this case. If looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... Even if it's "impossible to quack accidentally," it's probably still a duck

Geemer posted:

People in the US mostly don't even know it exists. I believe it doesn't even do anything in the default US keyboard layout, yet another reason why US-International is the superior choice.

Combat Pretzel posted:

19H2 is the Fall update.

The only story I've heard that is remotely similar to that, is that the kernel team's ostensibly doing some larger changes that wouldn't make it in time for 19H2, and therefore they won't touch it for that release.

Jack the Lad posted:

Crossposting from the monitor thread:

Does anyone know how I can get icc profiles to apply in Windows 10, please?

Jack the Lad posted:

Windows10.txt

But yeah I actually did install it but then couldn't work out where to load profiles.

(I may be extremely dumb.)

Captain Yossarian posted:

Can anyone explain to me how to change this? When I copy a folder into a destination, instead of giving me the "overwrite option, it adds it to the folder and just creates a "copy" wtf is this

Edit: my computer decided to default this 140gb folder with like 15,000 items as read only :/

biznatchio posted:

That's literally not a problem if you're using anything other than Windows 10 Home, because Windows 10 Pro and up allow you to configure Windows to require the user's permission before restarting for an update, and allow it to be put off for up to the maximum delay -- which is 7 days by default, and can be turned up to 14 days. And if 14 days isn't enough for your video encoding, you can even go beyond that and explicitly, proactively elect to pause updates for 35 days.

If Windows is rebooting unexpectedly for you for updates, it's either because you're running the version of Windows intended for home users who don't know how to operate a computer (in which case you should probably get the edition of Windows that isn't intended for that use case); or it's because you haven't bothered to actually configure it the way you want it.

If you're still configuring it via "Active Hours", then you haven't configured it correctly. Active Hours is superceded entirely by the greater control you can exert through gpedit.msc or through registry settings.

Sininu posted:

Where do I turn off fast startup in the newest W10? Having to restart specifically for updates pisses me off when I shut down my computer any time I won't be using it for more than 3 hours and that doesn't count for installing W10 updates.

isndl posted:

What about when a program is launching another program on the user's request, let's say Steam launching your preferred game? Should the game just launch in the background?

Klyith posted:

That's not even needed: when a program is launched is one of the times that Windows allows them to take focus without being handed permission by the currently-focused window.

Combat Pretzel posted:

They're about to finish and release 19H2, and now there's WindowsCentral claiming that 20H1 is right on its tail (because it's synced to the Azure dev cycle, because kernel) for end of December this year. That's sure fun.

stevewm posted:

I have installed 10 on literally hundreds of computers... and my own a few times. I have never once seen any problem I could point to Fast Startup being the cause.

I am curious to what downsides there could possibly be... Other than the presence of the hiberfil.sys file.

AlexDeGruven posted:

Physical access is full access.

EoRaptor posted:

Open up the Windows Firewall, click on Outbound Rules, scroll all the way down to the predefined Windows Search rule, and change it from allow to block. Start Menu will still have a web results tab/option to expand, but doing that will just show an error.

(Previous versions of Windows have called this rule Cortana or Cortana Search, but in 2004 it's Windows Search)