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Raxivace posted:Is there any story reason for the existence of a bajillion cassette tapes of conversations in Peace Walker and MGSV? Because it was an easy and convenient way to store data at the time that was obly mildly anachronistic. Also Big Boss really likes Walkmans.
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Raxivace posted:Let me rephrase the question: Are we supposed to think that Big Boss/Venom Snake is paranoid to the point where he's recording literally everything being said at Mother Base? Big Boss is watching.
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Oct 19, 2015 16:37
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EngineerSean posted:who are the skulls
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Oct 20, 2015 13:30
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CharlieWhiskey posted:Someone pointed out how appropriate of a song Garbage - Not Your Kind of People was for the trailers. Well I've been on an 80s music kick and how in the ever-living gently caress is Mr Roboto not a collectible tape in this game? The plot of this game comes from the lyrics of those two songs. Come on Kojima-san, release the DLC Mr Roboto is the plot of SOMA actually
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Oct 20, 2015 21:03
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Dapper_Swindler posted:So i finally beat it. what the gently caress was skullfaces motivation for going after zero and snake. I sorta get him going after zero, He doesn't want an english dominated world/ some weird liberterian, "boohoo i never had a face or a language because transylvania got buttfucked by 12 different nations so i killed Stalin". but what the gently caress did snake do to him. or is that the point he didnt do anything to him and he was just zeros favorite. Zero it's because Skullface really is sick and tired of being in the shadows and wants to be the boss. Zero had gone into hiding, and Cipher as an organization was crumbling. Snake is more or less an opportune target. Paz was one of the few people to meet Zero in person. Also, by taking out Snake, he could see about flushing Zero out.
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Oct 24, 2015 07:30
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setafd posted:in Venom's defense, whether they're a hostage or a hostile they're likely to be known and targeted by this global conspiracy tbf he put busy on a raft because he wanted him to die in an excruciating fashion that it took a few more years is balanced out because huey got cucked by his son and drowned himself
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Oct 26, 2015 03:26
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Zeron posted:Just finished the story and everything makes sense as far as this game goes, but overall it's just a mess. I do like how Big Boss creates you as a decoy, and then you go and upstage him by creating a massive base and army while he goes off and creates a much dinkier one. Which then makes you wonder what happens to Mother Base from this game, why did Outer Heaven suck so much in comparison..what was the point of this decoy operation in the first place? They make it a point to say that everyone wants to kill Big Boss, but seriously the only person who ever actually tries to kill you in the game is Quiet. You're never shown to be at risk of assassination, and none of the world powers seem particularly concerned about you either. Also Venom Snake was incredibly obvious(besides the credits that spoiled every single mission and twist in the game), there wasn't a single bit of gushing over all the awesome toys and weapons you get in the entire game. And that's why MGS3 is still the best MGS. Big Boss didn't create Venom.
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Oct 26, 2015 04:03
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Sefal posted:I hear that so often but I haven't yet seen it implemented in any work of fiction I have seen. Well nothing is spring to my mind atleast. Wizard of Oz and St. Elsewhere would be high on my list Newhart as well. Super Mario Bros 2 also There's more, but they're mostly special one off stories in episodic fiction, as opposed to whole works. OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Oct 26, 2015 19:33
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Detective No. 27 posted:^Mario 2 never hides that it's a dream. I was debating putting thr British Life on Mars and Ashes to Ashes on the list, though American Life on Mars was more straight up application.
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Oct 26, 2015 19:59
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:British Life on Mars/Ashes to Ashes is literally just the purgatory one. Sorry if I was unclear. That's why I didn't list it.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:08
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jagstag posted:Also do you need to have played the previous games to know what is going on because this would be my first metal gear solid game. Not really. The major events setting up the story are touched on in the game. It's also in a weird spot chronologically, since it's basically a bridge between the MGS3/Peace Walker Big Boss era and the MGS/MGS2/MGS4 Solid Snake era. You might appreciate some poo poo that happens more if you are familiar with the Solid Snake era, but if isn't going to detract from the game.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:38
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Panfilo posted:Would Miller be able to control the gasmask kid? When you fight Sehalanthropus, Miller is not too far away; and the whole shooting off Skullface's arm and leg in a rage would have triggered something I imagine. Probably. Though, if he's near Eli, not very likely. Mantis was attracted to the strongest source of negativity around. Eli is basically the psychic equivalent of fluorine.
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Oct 30, 2015 21:54
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Elephant Ambush posted:That and probably at least a little anger at knowing what was done to him and the knowledge that his brain isn't working properly all the time. Venom is killed during Metal Gear 1. Naked is badly burned at the end of Metal Gear 2, and ends up in a nanomachine induced coma to save his life. As for the DD Mother Base? Kind of unknown. Venom and Naked both spend their time building up fortified camps in land eventually, so either they were decommissioned or left derelict once Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land started being things.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:53
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Hobo By Design posted:Big Boss's plan feels like a prototype for MGS2. The Patriots endgame in MGS2 is to "create context" by selecting what experiences and information are relevant to social evolution, sans ideology ( Zero created Venom, and managed to get the memetic clone of Big Boss that he was looking for.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:09
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). This is Big Boss's plan with Outer Heaven, and Venom is his Raiden. If Venom had talked about schistosomiasis or a relevant medical thing in the tapes it would have indicated something from his previous life. In game he has no previous life to steal. The grin and mirror-punch is so ambivalent that "what does Venom feel about this?" is a bad question. It only makes sense non-diegetically. How do you, the player, feel about this? Big Boss seems bad in that cutscene because of the diegetic victimization of Venom, but being Big Boss is fun! We have no experience to contextualize Venom's loss! Our only context is being the leader of a kickass proto-PMC. Venom embraces his new identity, Raiden throws it away (until the sequels.)
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Like Big Boss's involvement in Venom was basically "hey we just turned this dude into a copy of you, should we give him surgery so you can get out of here alive?" after he woke up Zero kicked off the process a year or two after Ground Zeroes iirc
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Nov 2, 2015 00:21
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Nakar posted:Zero was responsible for the idea, but Big Boss refused to stop it. That's where the dickishness comes in. There's still some ambiguity as he didn't just abandon Venom to be assassinated (although there's some question whether Quiet was even fooled in the first place), but at any time he could've said "So yo I'm the actual Big Boss and you're one of my best dudes and man some really weird poo poo has gone down lately and they turned you into my body double, not my idea, let's get outta here and figure out our next course of action" and the situation could've panned out more or less exactly as it did with Venom covering for BB, except with an actual say in the matter. Considering that everything kind of went tits up before the entire plan could be finished that seems like wishful thinking There isn't exactly a long time where Venom is actively awake before XOF attacks.
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Nov 2, 2015 03:06
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grancheater posted:15-16 days at least, probably even more since BB woke up before Venom. Most of the those weeks were spent sedated and drifting in and out of consciousness
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Nov 2, 2015 03:33
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Yeah, the first of the Truth tapes has Big Boss up and out of bed, and it seems like he'd at least been briefed on the whole plan before that because Ocelot says something like "we have to move ahead of schedule," implying that Big Boss had some prior knowledge. And for as mellow as Ocelot is in this game, it's pretty crazy for him to be like "nah, the medic wants it this way" while the dude is still comatose. the timeline is something like this: mid-february - big boss wakes up, inadvertantly triggering psycho mantis to blow up a plane feb 26 - venom wakes up for the first time. psycho mantis is transferred to a soviet research facility, causing volgin to become the man on fire, skullface takes interest in psycho & volgin feb. march 9 - after the first 2 episodes of waking up, panicking, and getting sedated again, venom undergoes plastic surgery to make him look like big boss and is sedated march 11 - xof raids the hospital looking for big boss so yeah, while it mostly works out to about 2 weeks between venom waking up, he spends almost all that time sedated and even how much of that is kind of unknown, since everything before quiet coming into the room could be some sort of false or altered memory
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Nov 2, 2015 03:51
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Shaocaholica posted:WTF was Skull Face's plan again? Step 1: Scare the world by giving the Soviets the ST-84 Step 2: Kill off the English language, destroying the Western lingua franca and plunging the world into chaos Step 3: Sell nukes that he can disable via satellite. Step 4: Kick back and relax as the Western world dies and he is rich as gently caress.
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Nov 2, 2015 21:53
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Surlaw posted:Skull Face wanting to kill off any language is funny because his favorite thing in the world is theatrical monologuing. I've said it before Skullface is Dr Weird from ATHF
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Nov 2, 2015 22:53
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:What was Skullface's plan for people who speak sign language? If your general plan is to disrupt the world, targeting the <1% that can do sign language would probably be a gross misuse of resources
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Nov 2, 2015 23:36
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Shaocaholica posted:The cut scene where Kaz says "what about him?", is that only in a trailer? It's like the very first cutscene in the game
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Nov 3, 2015 00:51
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Venom Soag posted:why did ocelot brainwash himself Venom Soag posted:ocelot
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Nov 3, 2015 01:39
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Slightly Toasted posted:Wasn't it implied that Miller was in on it from the get go in how he gave himself up for capture to provide a distraction from the hospital escape? He must have had some limited knowledge of what was going on even if he didn't put it together. Not quite. One of the jobs he was doing to keep busy/track Cipher was to help the CIA train the Mujahideen.
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Nov 3, 2015 18:31
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MeatwadIsGod posted:One thing I'm unclear on, how do people who are POWs - Kaz and that Viscount guy - hire Ocelot and Diamond Dogs, respectively, to save them? Like, with Kaz is that just a diversion since he may or may not have been in the loop on the body double plan by that point? Do the Soviets and CFA give these guys their one phone call or something? Kaz never really hired Ocelot tbh. Kaz and Ocelot are basically in a bit of a truce brokered by Zero. Ocelot knows where Big Boss is, and Kaz knows he knows. Kaz goes and runs interference for Big Boss by building up Diamond Dogs, and on one of the jobs, he presumably gets too close to Skullface's plans and is captured. This is presumably some time right around the XOF attack on the hospital or shortly before. As it was an actual DD job, it was noticed and their intelligence turned up a record of his capture by the Soviets. Ocelot never comments on the Skulls, just that Miller is being moved to a Soviet camp, and after a few more days will be moved out of Afghanistan. I think he was abineg a bit loose if there's the thing about "He hired me toget you out and to get him out" though. Really it was to get him out of Cyprus after he recovered, and to reunite the pair, but that obviously didn't happen as intially planned due to the Skull attack. The Viscount arranged it some how, either he bribed a guard, or had some insurance policy set up. It's not immediately obvious you're working for him, they only pull back the onion later. OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Nov 4, 2015 04:39
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Then how come they only tell me about medicinal plants when I'm looking right at them, hmmm? It wasn't like he was murdered in a remote cabin on his own time
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Nov 4, 2015 18:37
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Ekusukariba posted:Mgs5 created a huge new plothole though, Big Boss having no idea about how Zero felt in mgs4, despite the entire Venom Snake thing and 9 year hosptial stay The only person who knows any of that was Ocelot
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Nov 8, 2015 15:49
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Broseph Brostar posted:The song works from both perspectives too. Venom is the one who turned against the entire world with outer heaven, and he's in denial that he's the one responsible for his own actions. It works for most of the cast except Kaz
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Nov 19, 2015 18:28
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Zero in a quite literal sense ends up selling the world into something tantamount to slavery Skullface tricks the world into thinking that he's acting on Zero's behalf Big Boss tricks the world into thinking he's someone who died a long long time ago. Venom (inadvertantly) tricks the world into thinking he's Big Boss Huey sells out Big Boss to Cipher at least once, maybe twice. Ocelot
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Nov 19, 2015 19:27
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SeANMcBAY posted:Speaking of the great opening, is there a way to see it again without starting a new file? Play mission 46
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Nov 20, 2015 00:02
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Yeah, whilst MGSV doesn't have the same sprawling locations of some other open world games, it's significant contribution to the genre and its biggest overall success is definitely intergrating the tight, dense level design and deep, reactive gameplay of a traditionally short and linear style of game into a functioning open world map. Just taking apart a base in free-exploration mode for the hell of it is fun in a way unscripted encounters in Witcher 3 could never be Stilwater in SR2 is kinda the high water mark for open world with a fairly deep amount of things to do.
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notZaar posted:Isn't MGO supposed to be releasing this month? I haven't heard jack squat about it. they've been running mgo betas on steam already sooooo
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