Intel&Sebastian posted:

Absolutely.

I felt like it was a heartfelt, loving and meta way for Kojima to say goodbye and give a kind of more personal closure to the series for players and to say "big boss has always been cool and I (as a creator) love him, because in a way he's you ans youve been rad"

The message is very much meant for you, as in the you holding the controller.

Jake Snake posted:

I finished this game last night. Absolutely loved the twist, though the emotional impact Kojima was trying to create really flat for me, because I am a woman. I know video games in general ignore female gamers, so really MGS isn't much worse than any other AAA title, but I wish they had taken the fact that a woman might be playing the game into a little more consideration. I don't know what the solution could be though, because it would probably bring up way more issues if the player character had to go through a forced sex change (the identity change is plenty hosed up already). However, I definitely got the message, which is the important thing I guess.

Though it's hilarious that the big bearded burly dog of war Big Boss now has to go by the name "Tiffany."

Funky Valentine posted:

Zero sets up shop in one of Manhattan's worst neighborhoods during NYC's absolute nadir (the 70s) and somehow manages not to get shot.

Jake Snake posted:

Yeah, it's not that much of a big deal to me anyway, since I'm pretty much always getting into a game with the mindset that the intended audience most likely is not someone like me. Big Boss's "you are me" speech just kind of drove home the fact more than usual.

Like I said though, I can't think of a good way to resolve that issue without bringing in more complications/drama. It had to be a character Kiefer Sutherland could voice for the twist to work. It would have been extremely difficult to pull that off if they tried to be more gender inclusive.

Detective No. 27 posted:

Venom Snake and Raiden's real names are revealed at the end of their respective games, and it's the same exact name. Coincidentally, they share my name.

K8.0 posted:

The nutty Japan/US thing is just there to provide a background, but it's so over the top and silly it distracts you from the stuff you're supposed to be paying attention to.

Vikar Jerome posted:

Vermon CaTaffy

diamond dog posted:

seeking NY goons for a sneaking mission/B&E

diamond dog posted:

Again you're fixating on my weak plot guesses and not the evidence around them. Like picking on this eye thing when it was one supporting element in a list of like five or six things. Yes Kaz and Venom are ostensibly different people you facile idiot, that would be what they call a "twist".

I like how you hedge your bets by saying the game would just be bad if your naive surface reading turns out to be false.

diamond dog posted:

You don't have to agree but you don't have to be an enormous oval office about it either. This is just goon mockery cargo cult behaviour.

Lemme reiterate where I'm coming from: if there's a ruse, it's not going to be possible to make sense of it unless you're on board with the rusery. I'm not absent of self-awareness, it was a conscious decision to try to examine the game from this perspective, based on the content of the game suggesting it and the context around the game strongly reinforcing the possibility. I can explain that though, and post any amount of evidence, and apparently I'm still going to have to deal with boring fucks trying to win internet cool points by bravely championing the majority opinion.
Which is why I initially said I didn't want to explain theories but then someone asked me to elaborate and now I'm Kyoon, the famous videogames poster. mangosteen groverhaus faaaaaaaaaaart

You disingenuously accuse me of fixating on minor details and ignoring the rest of the game, but what I think I'm doing is looking at the very few smoking guns in the game which force a reconsideration of the entire plot in which other oddities indisputably present in the shipped game begin to make sense. We're all on the same page about the basic story and the official version of the story regarding development problems, but what if the point is that the basic story is misleading and meant to be inverted? It would be completely in line with the statements the director has made.

You're a dishonest piece of poo poo who continuously mischaracterises what I'm saying and ignores entire posts in favour of latching onto whatever you think is the weakest part of it. I said the shack was most likely a hoax, and discussed other hoaxes, the point being that the presence of intentional hoaxes supports the idea that Something Is Up. The NPC isn't blinking and was one reinforcing element in a much longer list. gently caress off.

Lunchmeat Larry posted:

One thing I really like about the plot is that you’re almost always the one being proactive – from the first few missions on, Skull Face is on the back foot the whole time. It’s really refreshing to play a game where the protagonists aren’t just reacting to everything around them. Hell, to see a story in general where that’s the case, even a lot of detective stories have the hero getting a lucky break by something or someone that comes across them. It’s slightly let down by Venom himself being kind of passive, but it really helps sell the whole legend of Big Boss (as well as the idea that Outer Heaven is a nascent force to be reckoned with) that once he has you in his sights, you’re hosed and all you can do is delay until he inevitably hunts you down.

Slightly Toasted posted:

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Makime: I see. And Big Boss' organization in V is absolutely a band of criminals in the eyes of the world order. They can be viewed as a kind of war mafia, interfering in world conflicts to make money. But it's hard to see things that way when you're actually playing the game. Viewed from the outside, everything they do is unacceptably wrong, but playing as them makes you see them as good people. That's why I really like Huey's (Emmerich's) character in V. He always says the perfect thing to make you hate him at just the right time (laughs). He seems like the worst bad guy in the game, but viewed objectively that's not the case. As a civilian, he's actually closer to the player than any of the other characters. The things he says actually always make sense, but that just makes you hate him more. (laughs)

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Makime: And Huey represents the only external opinion in what's otherwise an echo chamber. But in the game, the one person with those relatively sane opinions is the one who's forcefully thrown out by all the other Mother Base staff. Even when he's drifting away in the boat, he keeps shouting things like, "You're the bad guys! You're insane!" And it's like, you're right, but screw you. (laughs)

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That might have been a lot clearer if Diamond Dogs was shown being represented in the media of America and other Western nations as being a terrible threat to world order, a band of renegades. That is to say, if Big Boss and his men were operating based on their own ideals, but were always presented as dangerous madmen by the media. And of course, Big Boss, Miller, and the rest keep increasing the scale of Mother Base despite that representation. They keep making themselves seem worse in the eyes of the world.