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Bob le Moche posted:Throughout the years your posts on this forum have never made any sense. How is it possible to be so confused about literally everything? I would think you're trolling but it's hard to imagine anyone having the dedication to keep it up for so long. I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts about these recent events.
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Christ some of you people are wild. It is perfectly possible to both hate Trump and hope that the people of Venezuela stop loving starving to death and dying from the lack of basic medical supplies. You ask me, anybody who can do at least those two things right there is already a far better leader than Maduro or his thieving compatriots.
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Jan 23, 2019 22:07
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Furia posted:It’s funny how it’s always the gringos that come here shrieking to us about intervention and Chile like that’s the only other alternative Yeah sorry y'all you know the rules. Ain't nobody really human except for a small subset of the white American male population.
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Jan 23, 2019 22:17
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Majorian posted:I'm absolutely not in the way of anything. I'm posting that the U.S. should not intervene in Venezuela, on a dead comedy forum. The only thing keeping you from politically acting is you. Go out and protest! Stop whining! What do you mean by "intervene"? There are a whole lot of interpretations to that word. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in this thread who wants the US to invade. All most of us want is for Maduro to piss off and for Venezuela to once again resemble at least something of a functioning society.
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Jan 23, 2019 22:27
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THS posted:It can always get worse and I can guarantee that the US government will try its best to gently caress up Venezuela beyond your wildest imaginations. There’s a fantastic track record. As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, if the US wanted to "gently caress up Venezuela" they could absolutely destroy whats left of its economy simply by no longer purchasing Venezuelan oil. If they want to gently caress it up so bad, why don't they just do this?
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Jan 23, 2019 22:33
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fishmech posted:
Which, as you and others have said, occurred because Chavez and his scrub-tier successor never bothered to invest capital into their own refineries when times were flush.
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Jan 23, 2019 22:49
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Bob le Moche posted:Every. Single. loving. Time. The reality that you live in must be a truly fascinating place. I just don't understand the "why" of your position, although I strongly suspect it is due to lacking a strong sense of personal identity and therefore globing onto whatever fool thing gets you the most reactions from people. Hell it may well have begun as an "ironic" stance that slowly lost its irony. Seems to be a lot of that going around these days. Better than neo-fascism though I suppose .
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Jan 24, 2019 00:15
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This whole misuse of "coup" thing would be hilarious if it weren't in relation to such breathtaking human suffering.
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Jan 24, 2019 00:30
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uninterrupted posted:It’s a coup though. An unelected person has declared himself president and directed rebel military soldiers to overthrow the government. So I am guessing then that you are completely ignorant of the constitutional reasons as to why Guaidó has declared himself the president and why so many states are backing up that claim? What are your thoughts on Maduro's seizure of the levers of power in Venezuela? The jailing of the opposition? The dissolution of the legislature?
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Jan 24, 2019 00:38
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uninterrupted posted:Yeah, I read up on it and it’s a ridiculous argument that wouldn’t hold up anywhere the US wasn’t trying to flip over. Wait wait how is it ridiculous? Words have meaning and constitutional law exists for a reason. Also, you failed to comment on the other questions I asked. What about the jailing of dissidents? The legislature? To add one more, the stolen election?
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Jan 24, 2019 00:44
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420 Gank Mid posted:all of them I wouldn't be surprised if this person was unaware as to what a sanction even is.
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Jan 24, 2019 00:54
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Jan 24, 2019 00:59
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Pharohman777 posted:https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/venezuela/ How very imperialist of them.
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Jan 24, 2019 01:00
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Bob le Moche posted:Yes, and the constant throughline across all these contradictory posts, as I pointed out, is unconditional support for US foreign policy and attacking anti-imperialists. Just out of curiosity, what does "imperialism" mean to you? Follow up question: Do you think that the actions of Russia and China with regards to the leveraging of sovereign collateral with what are essentially payday loans counts as imperialism? You haven't actually stated a position of your own for quite some time now, so perhaps this can be your moment to clarify your thoughts.
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Jan 24, 2019 01:09
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Bob le Moche posted:lol you're really trying to push this one aren't you? Come on now, my questions aren't hard. Talk to me if you dislike them so much.
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Jan 24, 2019 01:12
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I really wish the Maduro apologists would stick to talking about Venezuela, here in the Venezuela thread. So again, what sanctions are starving Venezuela? What are your thoughts on the massive amounts of capital being taken out of the country by Maduro cronies? The drug dealing? Stripping the legislature of its power? What in the world does imperialism mean to you and are Russia and China practicing it?
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Jan 24, 2019 01:19
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THS posted:No, I don’t think you’re worth seriously engaging with because you’ve proven time and time again to be completely full of poo poo and never give any ground because your entire personality is caught up in a robotic Just The Encyclopedia Facts loop that memory holes any contradictions. Talk to me then, answer my questions right above you. I really am curious.
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Jan 24, 2019 01:21
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Giggy posted:I also wish we could live in a vacuum where the actions of Republicans haven't defined world politics for the past 40+ years OK, you've seen the post, now maybe the questions?
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Jan 24, 2019 01:23
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THS posted:Don’t go to bat about fishmech, I’m not arguing about the sanctions or even defending Maduro. I’m pointing out how this is likely to occur in the context US intervention, how that usually goes, and how bad it will likely be. Well then to you specifically I'd ask: What do you consider intervention to mean? and if you mean military intervention, who here has advocated for US military intervention of Venezuela? When the US and other American states offer food aid (that is insanely rejected) is that "intervention"?
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Jan 24, 2019 01:26
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Whether or not an election is legitimate comes entirely down to which side you're on. China has fair, and regularly held elections with no voter suppression, and yet where is the praise for the respect of the democratic process from the west? So what are your thoughts on Maduro's seizure of power from the Venezuelan legislature? How does one explain that in your mind?
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Jan 25, 2019 00:33
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:How is it not just a matter of interpretation? Virtually everything people whine about when it comes to venezulean/ chinese elections happens in single party city-states like Chicago and NYC, including international monitors being refused or turned away. Jesus I wish we really had independent city states in the US.
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Jan 25, 2019 00:42
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:
Say so how about you telling us why it was cool for Maduro to strip the elected legislature of its powers and then give it to a body full of people that he himself appointed? This being the Venezuela thread.
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Jan 25, 2019 00:54
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I suspect most of the non Venezuelans in this thread and quite probably some of the Venezuelans are socdems or socialists. I'd consider myself a socialist but thankfully I ain't stupid enough to confuse a kleptocratic military dictatorship as being socialist.
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Jan 25, 2019 01:52
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:For tv my dude, so that the cameras could catch mr minister doing his civic duty and showing all the steps necessary to vote to remind people watching at home that might not have yet voted. Its done everywhere even in countries not named venezuela.i help run some of the voting assemblies in my burrough.all the training i had pointed out that election fraud isn't done balot by balot.its done when the tally is being done,or when voting boxes disappear altogether.thats why observers,accurate voter rolls and triple counting are so important. What point are you trying to make here with this interesting construction of a sentence?
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Jan 25, 2019 02:38
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Furia posted:It’s actually important to be wary of how different countries stand to profit from a given situation and is an equally valid thing to say, specially so when Russia has been bankrolling and profiting the whole endeavour. It’s not a goddamn race to declare “this side is doing it” and then any further examples from other actors are thereby invalid because of whataboutism Don't forget, for these people only the US is capable of neo colonialism. I do have to say though that I love the idea that the US would invade and then "destroy the records" of the Chinese and Russian payday loans like these things are written down on vellum or some poo poo.
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Jan 25, 2019 11:23
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Truga posted:Hmm, you're right, I'm sorry. I didn't know it was that far along yet. Good news for early climate change I guess Perhaps now is the time to reflect on the many other things of which you might have no knowledge?
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Jan 25, 2019 11:41
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Blue Nation posted:It was me, my complaining on a dead gay comedy forum destroyed my country. How shall I ever pay for this sin? A 12 hour van ride with the threads top tankies.
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Jan 31, 2019 18:12
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Typo posted:I mean I could just be ignorant here, but isn't maduro already selling out venezuelan oil interests to some combinations of china/russia/foreign companies, so it wouldn't all that different? We've probably asked this question fifty times over the last week or so and shockingly the tankies ignore it pretty much every time.
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Jan 31, 2019 22:30
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Presenting Nipples posted:You are really smart. I am amazed at the inability of anyone who is pro US-Coup to do any research on the subject and continue to demand evidence. Once evidence is presented the goal posts get moved again. I just want to point out that "mint press news" is an assad apologist rag. Wikipedia posted:
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Feb 1, 2019 02:45
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Control Volume posted:Boring. Make it a caged death match instead, itll even entertain the kids I'm liking this idea but I'd put Donnie up against Maduro. One fat man enters, one fat man leaves.
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Feb 1, 2019 02:59
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Homeless Friend posted:That particular post I'm mostly not treating fishmech seriously because I feel they are being a bit dishonest and unclear, don't want to post if it's a chore. I imagine the logistics would indeed be onerous, probably less onerous than having an army stationed in a landlocked nation across the world though. I'm basically envisioning what a humanitarian United States would do, instead of current situation where we want a certain type of government in power to secure U.S. interest, which are very obvious when John Bolton goes and says the quiet part loud. So just to be clear, what you are saying is that you think that the US should basically instigate a massive air campaign in order to drop food and medical supplies on Venezuela? How do you think the Venezuelan government is going to react? If they start firing SAMs at US planes, would the US be justified in striking those SAM sites? How in the world do you imagine something this foolish would proceed? Alternatively, Maduro could admit that he presides over a country in crisis and allow food aid to be distributed to his people rather than just his military and militias.
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Feb 1, 2019 03:29
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Homeless Friend posted:Most of this seems capable by ground tbh, having c130s drop crates is some fanciful battlefield, ea get in the game, poo poo. I mean how does price control food get smuggled to reap the arbitrage profit get out? Shouldn't be impossible to go the other way either. Oh Okay just carry it overland, I see. So who is going to be doing the carrying? US military? Refugees? Randos from Columbia? How are you going to defend these people? Pay them? Ensure that they get home without being arrested or killed? Which country is going to allow these food mules to come and go? How many people is this going to take?
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Feb 1, 2019 03:58
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Judakel posted:Loo you actually think this is clever. "A right wing CIA approved government will be great for venezuela." I know you aren't going to answer this question because none of you ever really do, but: How is the opposition led by Guiado right-wing? How is Maduro's dictatorship left wing? Because he says that they are? edit: clarity
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Feb 2, 2019 00:07
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Kurnugia posted:And it'll get worse for everyone once the US takes over. That's the whole point of the blockade, to make things miserable enough for enough many people to give justification for a coup, after which lifting the blockade will just magically make things get better again. almost as if it was the blockade that was the cause of the misery and shortages of all those traded goods, not maduro... What the hell trade embargo are you talking about?
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Feb 2, 2019 02:51
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Kurnugia posted:because I do not want to see US putting another pinochet in power on their back yard is why. frankly, I don't give a gently caress about maduro, the PSUV can vote him out if they so please, but US coups do not suddenly become good and democratic just because there's an incompetent in office Why are you even here? What are you getting out of this conversation? I get that you are probably just some lonely troll looking for reactions from people and so I'd encourage you to find something else to do with your time. This isn't some game for a number of the people who post in this thread. This isn't some game for the millions of people starving and marching in the streets of Venezuela today. This poo poo is life or death.
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Feb 2, 2019 21:59
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Negrostrike posted:I'm surprised Austria and Hungary didn't do so already. I guess it's the EU cockblocking them. The EU parliament has already voted to recognize him at least.
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Feb 4, 2019 03:17
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I'm not Venezuelan, but something I've found kinda insulting and dismissive in this thread from a few posters is the unquestioned assertion that Guaidó is a US puppet, acting entirely on the instructions of Mike Pence and John Bolton. Is it not possible that Guaidó and other opposition members are the ones who went to the US and other Latin American countries for assistance, knowing that his declaration would have absolutely zero effect without robust international recognition and support? Describing Guaidó as a puppet and nothing more just seems like an easy way to dismiss the opposition entirely, as opposed to taking the time to truly evaluate the political situation as it stands. Yeah its something else. Especially once you add the fact that he has a fairly reasonable constitutional claim to his legitimacy.
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Feb 6, 2019 02:06
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Acebuckeye13 posted:This is not a binary situation. You can be alarmed at the appointment of Abrams and fully believe that US support for the opposition is being managed by dipshits and morons who are more concerned with making themselves look good than actually helping the people of Venezuela, while also wanting Maduro and the other PSUV hacks that have brought the country to the brink of ruination to step down. I think we could write this out a thousand times and not one of these dip shits would notice. I do wonder what they have to say about Maduro blocking the food aid from entering the country today. Also, it makes me think that Maduro must actually be afraid that some of his military units might actually collect and hand out the food. Otherwise, wouldn't you just let it into the country and then steal it?
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Feb 7, 2019 01:21
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:bad news, friend. right here, right now, your choice is between food shortages and corruption, and "oh I'm sure he got all the smashing-child-skulls-for-the-crime-of-opposing-him out of his system in Guatemala" Yes because there isn't a near infinite constellation of other possible outcomes that also exist. Just these two things. If Maduro truly did care about his people and not just his power, he'd have a fair, open, and scrutinized election as soon as it could be put together. Second edit: So what are your thoughts on the fact that Maduro shut the border to food aid today? edit: clarity
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:this one entertainingly he has justification for on both malevolent food tyrant grounds and guy who doesn't want to get couped grounds. google USAID Cuba CIA, you'll get a fun raft of reports on the subject, I'm particularly fond of the Guardian's. short form, you accept US aid, you are also accepting US spies, they've been caught doing this poo poo as recently as 2014 in Cuba. Given how many people flood across the border every single day, I really don't think it would be that hard for the CIA to just, you know, walk into the place.
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