Pwnstar posted:

elf help book posted:

In Training posted:

I'm literally going to be shakeing with jealously when I wake up at dawn on the side of a mountain on 9/1, look out over the landscape and take a deep breath and think about the lucky millions who are gaming with shades drawn and enjoy]n what is likely to be the greatest game ever made.

net cafe scandal posted:

Respect to the OP and all, but this isn't going to be the Imp Zone MGSV thread.

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Just 100%ed GZ for the second time because I am running out of ways to contain my need to play this game.

I also beat MGS4 and PW (main story missions only) again, played them back and forth this month. So now I can officially say that I have completed Metal Gear August.


Gonna sperg about MGS4 a bit, because it gets knocked for its story all the time and I think it has kind of an unfair reputation:

I mentioned earlier in one of the threads about how, if you approach the series chronologically, you can see that as warfare shifts from a conflict between ideals to simply conflict for its own sake, you see less "magic" and more technology in its place.

MGS4 is neat because it goes to all this trouble to create an atmosphere that most people just completely ignored. You have all the fake advertisements for PMC recruiting, and In Act 3 you have this sort of Orwellian Europe where loudspeakers calmly announce that anyone out past curfew will be executed on the spot. Though I have some problems with Act 3's gameplay, it's pretty important thematically for a few reasons.

First of all, you have to consider that Acts 1 and 2 take place in the Middle East and South America, which are basically the 2 de-facto settings for most FPSes / military games. But suddenly Act 3 drops you into Europe, and it's a PMC occupied dystopia where armed drones are literally patrolling the skies at all times. Act 3 is basically a very unsubtle attempt to ask, What is the ethical / moral burden of war when your country isn't losing any lives? What if Blackwater did all of our fighting? What happens when technology can completely divorce you from the actual violence being perpetrated? In Acts 1 and 2, you see rebel militia, but notably you never see who they are actually rebelling against. The opposition is entirely represented by the PMCs.

This gets into the real meat of MGS4's thematic approach: the argument that the trauma resulting from war is incredibly dehumanizing, and that technology fills the gap left behind when humanity is stripped away. The world of MGS4 is in a perpetual state of conflict-by-proxy, to the point that everyone is experiencing that trauma. You can consider the SOP program to essentially be the product of that trauma - it's PTSD on a global scale.

I think the B&B Corp was an attempt to put a face to this idea, though the execution leaves something to be desired. (I think Skullface is going to be playing a similar role in TPP, at least partially). Drebin's stories are extreme to the point of parody, and it's possible that he was making them up completely, but in the end he is just telling iterations of his own story - a child traumatized by war, stripped of even their name, and confined to a technological prison by the Patriot AI (Drebin's APC isn't all that different from the Beast suits, at the end of the day).

edit: Also worth pointing out that the world of MGS4 comes pretty close to creating "a timeless enemy" by wrapping the entire globe into a cycle of reciprocal violence - everyone is at war with everyone, always, for reasons that are entirely unclear ("We've always been at war with Eastasia"). In a way, Ocelot ends up being the person who comes closest to carrying out the Boss's will, and he probably didn't even realize it.

Anyway that is my completely unsolicited MGS4 wall o' text.

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Just 100%ed GZ for the second time because I am running out of ways to contain my need to play this game.

I also beat MGS4 and PW (main story missions only) again, played them back and forth this month. So now I can officially say that I have completed Metal Gear August.


Gonna sperg about MGS4 a bit, because it gets knocked for its story all the time and I think it has kind of an unfair reputation:

I mentioned earlier in one of the threads about how, if you approach the series chronologically, you can see that as warfare shifts from a conflict between ideals to simply conflict for its own sake, you see less "magic" and more technology in its place.

MGS4 is neat because it goes to all this trouble to create an atmosphere that most people just completely ignored. You have all the fake advertisements for PMC recruiting, and In Act 3 you have this sort of Orwellian Europe where loudspeakers calmly announce that anyone out past curfew will be executed on the spot. Though I have some problems with Act 3's gameplay, it's pretty important thematically for a few reasons.

First of all, you have to consider that Acts 1 and 2 take place in the Middle East and South America, which are basically the 2 de-facto settings for most FPSes / military games. But suddenly Act 3 drops you into Europe, and it's a PMC occupied dystopia where armed drones are literally patrolling the skies at all times. Act 3 is basically a very unsubtle attempt to ask, What is the ethical / moral burden of war when your country isn't losing any lives? What if Blackwater did all of our fighting? What happens when technology can completely divorce you from the actual violence being perpetrated? In Acts 1 and 2, you see rebel militia, but notably you never see who they are actually rebelling against. The opposition is entirely represented by the PMCs.

This gets into the real meat of MGS4's thematic approach: the argument that the trauma resulting from war is incredibly dehumanizing, and that technology fills the gap left behind when humanity is stripped away. The world of MGS4 is in a perpetual state of conflict-by-proxy, to the point that everyone is experiencing that trauma. You can consider the SOP program to essentially be the product of that trauma - it's PTSD on a global scale.

I think the B&B Corp was an attempt to put a face to this idea, though the execution leaves something to be desired. (I think Skullface is going to be playing a similar role in TPP, at least partially). Drebin's stories are extreme to the point of parody, and it's possible that he was making them up completely, but in the end he is just telling iterations of his own story - a child traumatized by war, stripped of even their name, and confined to a technological prison by the Patriot AI (Drebin's APC isn't all that different from the Beast suits, at the end of the day).

edit: Also worth pointing out that the world of MGS4 comes pretty close to creating "a timeless enemy" by wrapping the entire globe into a cycle of reciprocal violence - everyone is at war with everyone, always, for reasons that are entirely unclear ("We've always been at war with Eastasia"). In a way, Ocelot ends up being the person who comes closest to carrying out the Boss's will, and he probably didn't even realize it.

Anyway that is my completely unsolicited MGS4 wall o' text.

Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Just 100%ed GZ for the second time because I am running out of ways to contain my need to play this game.

I also beat MGS4 and PW (main story missions only) again, played them back and forth this month. So now I can officially say that I have completed Metal Gear August.


Gonna sperg about MGS4 a bit, because it gets knocked for its story all the time and I think it has kind of an unfair reputation:

I mentioned earlier in one of the threads about how, if you approach the series chronologically, you can see that as warfare shifts from a conflict between ideals to simply conflict for its own sake, you see less "magic" and more technology in its place.

MGS4 is neat because it goes to all this trouble to create an atmosphere that most people just completely ignored. You have all the fake advertisements for PMC recruiting, and In Act 3 you have this sort of Orwellian Europe where loudspeakers calmly announce that anyone out past curfew will be executed on the spot. Though I have some problems with Act 3's gameplay, it's pretty important thematically for a few reasons.

First of all, you have to consider that Acts 1 and 2 take place in the Middle East and South America, which are basically the 2 de-facto settings for most FPSes / military games. But suddenly Act 3 drops you into Europe, and it's a PMC occupied dystopia where armed drones are literally patrolling the skies at all times. Act 3 is basically a very unsubtle attempt to ask, What is the ethical / moral burden of war when your country isn't losing any lives? What if Blackwater did all of our fighting? What happens when technology can completely divorce you from the actual violence being perpetrated? In Acts 1 and 2, you see rebel militia, but notably you never see who they are actually rebelling against. The opposition is entirely represented by the PMCs.

This gets into the real meat of MGS4's thematic approach: the argument that the trauma resulting from war is incredibly dehumanizing, and that technology fills the gap left behind when humanity is stripped away. The world of MGS4 is in a perpetual state of conflict-by-proxy, to the point that everyone is experiencing that trauma. You can consider the SOP program to essentially be the product of that trauma - it's PTSD on a global scale.

I think the B&B Corp was an attempt to put a face to this idea, though the execution leaves something to be desired. (I think Skullface is going to be playing a similar role in TPP, at least partially). Drebin's stories are extreme to the point of parody, and it's possible that he was making them up completely, but in the end he is just telling iterations of his own story - a child traumatized by war, stripped of even their name, and confined to a technological prison by the Patriot AI (Drebin's APC isn't all that different from the Beast suits, at the end of the day).

edit: Also worth pointing out that the world of MGS4 comes pretty close to creating "a timeless enemy" by wrapping the entire globe into a cycle of reciprocal violence - everyone is at war with everyone, always, for reasons that are entirely unclear ("We've always been at war with Eastasia"). In a way, Ocelot ends up being the person who comes closest to carrying out the Boss's will, and he probably didn't even realize it.

Anyway that is my completely unsolicited MGS4 wall o' text.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

I-I don't have a PS3


I think I can do this.

Shoehead posted:

This poo poo is either out in 40 minutes or 30 hours

zen death robot posted:

Steam says tomorrow at noon CDT so it's probably that

Buck Turgidson posted:

Actually $80 could get you 8000 pennies, so you'd be out 2000 coins if you went with Konami.

LawfulWaffle posted:

I just found out that my GameStop is having a midnight release, so I don't have to wait until 10am to grab it. These are happy times indeed.

LawfulWaffle posted:

/v/ has come to

SeXReX posted:

the culture of being worried about "spoilers" has been carfuly crafted by "the industry" so that online discussion focuses on official marketing department propaganda


gotta control the narative

Dongicus posted:

its September 1st in the uk

Evil Eagle posted:

The last time I ordered something to this location it took longer than the time shown here, and the internet is too bad to think about getting it digitally. Please enjoy MGSV everyone. I'm going to pretend it doesn't come out yet and not talk to anyone I know about it.