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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Megaton Musashi was at least charmingly enthusiastic in how hard it committed to its various questionable aesthetic and storytelling decisions. It felt like a product born of love.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Arc Hammer posted:

That thumbnail is a pretty boring "guess the anime protagonist" picture.

Also it's not the fault of the show but given real world events I'm just imagining all those mecha getting taken out by tractors and pissed off Ukrainians armed with vodka and javelin missiles.

TBF, that's not a million miles away from what the Japanese resistance in the show regularly does to the occupying powers' mecha.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I feel it would make sense to have Zaku machineguns gouging out shallow craters across a Gundam's armour, though. Only superficial damage, but very visible. They're full-auto 120mm cannons, c'mon. That can't be good for the paintwork.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Kanos posted:

Choreography matters even more in CG than it does in traditional animation, imo. Traditional animation with bad choreography can sometimes fall back on simply looking gorgeous so the end product isn't awful, whereas CG is not terribly visually impressive on its own anymore so if the choreography is bad the entire scene is hideous.

Majestic Prince has probably the best looking mecha fight sequences in any CG show I've ever seen because they put their whole rear end into the choreography.

I'd say that Majestic Prince jogged so Land of the Lustrous could run, though. That was Orange's true masterpiece.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

i think i could have accepted all the other problems if they hadn't ditched the tactical jetpack idol concert concept. oh, so it isn't practical while a bunch of fashy bishies were trying to kill them, so what? who gives a poo poo about practicality in a show about the inherent space magic of idols?

Not only that, but their swarms of drones should be ideal for defending themselves. Mechplanes versus idol technomagic? Yes please.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Gaius Marius posted:

The Zentradi wiped out 99% of humanity how you even be more evil than that

You can make a not-unreasonable argument that Var Syndrome is a fate worse than death, and Windermere is incredibly indiscriminate in how it uses it as a 'recruitment' tool.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Even the archetypal goodies-versus-baddies war in pop culture, World War II, had the Allies getting up to some astoundingly horrific poo poo, like Britain letting three million Indians starve to death in Bengal to secure grain supplies for the war effort and deny them to Japan.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
The main thing 86 carried over from Aldnoah Zero was I-IV as the lead mechanical designer, and I appreciate that. Their ultra-sleek CGI aesthetic may not be to everyone's taste, but I, for one, genuinely dig it and would be happy to see them get more work.

Give us a model kit of the Nilokeras, cowards.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Gripweed posted:

Sure, but I would assume that 86 has a similar dynamic to it's romance

Nah, they're pretty different. DITF is 'boy meets sexy, tragic alien' in a way that seems closely inspired by the two main relationships in Eureka Seven, whereas 86 is more 'uptown girl meets downtown man deeply traumatised child soldier' in a way that seems loosely inspired by the relationship between Mikazuki and Kudelia in Iron-Blooded Orphans (or Heero and Relena, or Setsuna and Marina).

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Gaius Marius posted:

Marina and Setsuna are not a romantic relationship

Not exactly, no, but their relationship can inspire other writers' romances without being one itself.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

G1mby posted:

Do we have any indication that 86 is getting another season?

Only that it was extremely popular and well-received. I don't think they have specific plans, and the last episode felt like it was designed to serve as the finale of this adaptation, but there's nothing stopping them from animating a few more novels in a year's time if they choose to.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Big O, Fau, and Duo are designed for land, sea, and air combat respectively, so maybe there is a Big Trio floating up in space somewhere? Who knows?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Fivemarks posted:

Kyoukai Senki's writers: Turns out they're just CSPAM posters.

If a CSPAM goon ever did a mech story, I suspect it would be a lot more Joshi Kouhei than Kyoukai Senki.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Really, I get the impression that Kyoukai Senki's most fundamental problem is that Noboru Kimura is a terrible writer. So long as they have just about anyone else in their stable doing series composition, it doesn't matter if the two shows share staff members.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Incidentally, which is the good version of Plus - movie or OVA? I only watched one and I can't remember which.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
It's a messy show with a very weak second season, but I still found it had a certain absurd charm to it. The mechanical designs by I-IV are great, and Hiroyuki Sawano goes exactly as hammy on the soundtrack as he needs to.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Justin_Brett posted:

86 kinda? It's usually not the pilots doing it, granted.

Eh, 86 relies considerably more on humans being far better pilots than AIs than on careful, clever planning and trickery. That's a sideshow, not the main attraction.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

s1: real robots vs. overpowered super robots
s2: everyone has super robots, and also the robots are boring

No they don't, do they? There's a civil war within the super robot faction, but the real robot faction are still plugging away with more or less the same tech.

RangerKarl posted:

they stopped using breathless in S2 so it sucks.

The way they got rid of it was darkly funny, though, and yet another piece of evidence that Saazbaum was the best villain in the show. Dude mauled the protagonists so hard that he permanently destroyed one of their best pieces of theme music.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Megaton Musashi makes a lot of weird/questionable/actively bad aesthetic/writing decisions, but it does still have a certain charm. It's a resolutely old-school super robot show with a strong sense of fun and spectacle, and that goes a long way.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Gaius Marius posted:

The newer build stuff doesn't exist in the same way the live action Disney remakes, or movies like CODA exist; They don't, regardless of how many people watched or liked them they've had less than zero impact on the community, large or small

I dunno, the community does seem to have latched onto Sei's mum pretty hard.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

tsob posted:

Several shows make the overlap a lot more explicit, like the aforementioned Symphogear and Nanoha.

Also Granbelm and (to go back much, much further) Rayearth.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
'Much less ugly than usual' can still be quite ugly.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Is Rayearth better read or watched?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Omnicrom posted:

Like Yu-Gi-Oh! DM it's hard to say since both end up being different enough from each other that neither can be definitive.

I guess my question was more if there's any great gap in their quality as stories. Which is the more agreeable reading/viewing experience if I chose to pick one?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Yeah, Deunan of Appleseed (started in 1985) is in an interracial relationship with a North African full-conversion cyborg, and Briareos is a cool dude who regularly gets to be just as much of a hero as she does.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Mister Olympus posted:

At some point Gundam stopped having the robots just slap each other around after their weapons break and we need that back

IBO had a fair amount of that. The Lupus Rex and Rebake Full City were actually specialised for slapping!

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

chiasaur11 posted:

It even had multiple fights where people used severed limbs as a weapon. Good times.

Really, I felt like IBO did a solid job with weight, and a great job with coming up with new ways for Mikazuki to kill people.

For other shows with weight, Evangelion had some excellent shots conveying how loving massive these things were, and I felt that Doan's Island was a step up from most CG mech fights, but yeah. It's less common than would be ideal.

The run to catch Sahaquiel in Rebuild 2.0 is iconic for a reason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3OZt45NbA8

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Ranzear posted:

It's weird that the final confrontation gets brought up and slapped down as "the point" over and over while erryone forgets that the rest of the fights in the final two movies are weightless nonsense too.

I remember the fight between berserker Asuka and Rei Q in 3.0 being pretty deece.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
The closest FranXX ever got to a coherent political message was, unfortunately, fairly orthodox paleoconservatism (yes, even with the alien space vampires corrupting society to erase traditional gender roles - I'll leave it to your imagination what real-world paleocons think those are).

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I get the vibe that it's about spending so much time burning poo poo down that you want to start growing stuff for a change. Ex-soldiers becoming doctors is another similarly common piece of thematically-resonant career change.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
86 and Attack on Titan being megahits implies that the market for mecha-adjacent military sci-fi is still going fairly strong. It's the classic Mazinger-style super robots that seem a bit out-of-fashion.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Hah.

https://twitter.com/sakai_sampo/status/1665896055043690497?s=46&t=ARI_L-v32Oind1-d9B3a3Q

Also, I agree with Xiran, the Japanese cover for their book is rad.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Schwarzwald posted:

Is Iron Widow worth checking out?

It's quite a bit of fun, yeah.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I think the ending maybe demanded a bit more 'don't think about it seriously, just roll with it' from the audience than I was entirely capable of accommodating.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Yeah, the important thing is that San Magnolia thinks it's largely safe-ish from the Legion, so it's using the war as an excuse for genocide even if that means compromising itself on a tactical and strategic level - and unfortunately for them, this means they're insulated from any frontline intelligence that might warn them that they're way less safe than they think.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I assume Smith is eventually going to get some version of the Superbia? Seeing as it prominently shows up in the OP and all.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Kingtheninja posted:

Sounds like I need to sign up for crunchy roll again.

Crunchyroll also has Metallic Rouge, if you want small lesbian robots to balance out your large gay robots.

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Blaze Dragon posted:

I haven't started that one but I was interested in it, is it good so far?

Yup. If you're nostalgic for 00s Bones anime-originals, it'll scratch your itch.

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