Auspol: Not with a bang but with a whisper

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open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

A doubling of the population over 30 years isn't a huge annual increase. I think it'd be about twice what we take now.

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# ? Apr 29, 2024 18:06

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Open borders is not the threat to the core concept of a nation state that it's made out to be. But you can't just throw away the idea that a nation is bound by a common character which territorial integrity contributes towards. Nations are more than a useful political unit for governance.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:07

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

It's probably worth making it clear what you actually mean when you say open borders. Like if you genuinely mean no border control whatsoever or just a different type of border control.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:11

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Open borders means literally anyone.

No id requirement.

All of society's undesirables, because if you start filtering out the rapists, assaulters, religious fundamentalists etc it's not open anymore is it?

# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:16

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Well yeah, exactly.

Would we still extradite people to face charges in other countries?

# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:19

Bifauxnen: Aug 12, 2010; Curses! Foiled again!

CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:

Auspol superstar ScreamingLlama likes whisper porn aka ASMR and also the Democrats.

If no one else got the thread up, I was gonna inflict an Undertale-themed thread on you all. I couldn't get it ready in time, but this was gonna be the pic for the Democrats:

# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:27

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Amethyst posted:

I am not melting down. It is you, who are the one who is having a meltdown. Please stop freaking out.

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lol

# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:34

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

open24hours posted:

Well yeah, exactly.

Would we still extradite people to face charges in other countries?

Well in this example open borders is the manifestation of individual freedom of movement.

If you are going to put that *personal* freedom on a pedestal then it trumps mere national interests such as accused people facing prosecution.

I guess further. Open borders tells you that you can come in. It doesn't say anything about what happens once you are inside the border beyond a bare right to remain. A country can have open borders but still require people to get a permit if they want to work, register to pay tax, etc.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:47

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Bifauxnen posted:

If no one else got the thread up, I was gonna inflict an Undertale-themed thread on you all. I couldn't get it ready in time, but this was gonna be the pic for the Democrats:

do it next thread!

edit: oh I quite forgot, thanks to Amethyst the Melty for reminding me, here's a new improved version especially for him and his little friends!

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# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:52

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

open24hours posted:

A doubling of the population over 30 years isn't a huge annual increase. I think it'd be about twice what we take now.

Yeah, I thought we were talking about bringing refugees in so I also assumed we meant a short period of time. Over the space of 30 years we could easily absorb 10 million, that's just a few hundred thousand a year. That's probably what we already take, given the amount of temporary students and workers and stuff.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 05:53

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

quote:

Australia can't afford to burst housing bubble as wave of Chinese money looms

Property rises might be taking a breather after a year of superheated growth, but one investment banker has bad news for most aspiring home owners: Australian house prices will keep getting higher and the government will do nothing to prick the bubble because the country simply can't afford it.

And any hint of instability in China could send a wave of new money into the Australian market, says Saxo Capital Asia macro strategist Kay Van-Petersen.

Houses and apartments in Australia, particularly Sydney and Melbourne, have never been more expensive. The median house price in Sydney hit $1 million in July, said the Domain House Price Report, and investment bank Goldman Sachs estimates the markets in Sydney and Melbourne are almost 20 per cent overvalued.

House prices are on track to rise by a whopping 9.8 per cent this year, say numbers released this week by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, which showed national price growth was 4.7 per cent between the March and June quarters.

Morgan Stanley has said the prices have peaked, but Mr Van-Petersen says they will continue to grind upwards and the government is unlikely to do anything about it.

"The government has to try and talk it down and say it's inflated, but at the same time all they can try and do is control the ongoing growth as best they can," Mr Van-Petersen said. "If they wanted to prick it, they could, but Australia simply cannot afford to."

New Zealand and Singapore have enacted strong policies to force adjustments in housing markets and Mr Van-Petersen said Australia could easily deflate the bubble by pulling the stamp duty tax charged to foreign buyers from properties of more than $15 million to, say, $1.5 million.

But the property market is one of the few areas of the economy that is growing adequately as terms of trade plummet and mining companies shed value because commodity prices are falling in light of a slowing China.

"Australia can't afford for property to have a hard landing. If housing prices bust, the banks will get hit hard. And then what is there? It's in everyone's interests right now."

IMF weighs in

Even the International Monetary Fund is talking about Australia's favourite conversation topic: property prices and whether the country is in a bubble.

In the IMF's latest report on the Australian economy, it raised the increasingly likely potential of a housing price correction, and called for greater investment in infrastructure to "relieve bottle necks and housing supply constraints".

"Buoyant housing investor lending has recently prompted regulatory action to reinforce sound residential mortgage lending practices," its report said.

In a similar finding to that of the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority, the report said the big banks' strength and profitability would need more support if a severe adverse scenario occurred, such as a housing bubble collapse.

"To address risks in the housing market, directors supported targeted action by the regulator. They cautioned that if investor lending and house price inflation do not slow appreciably, these policies may need to be intensified."

Even if more houses and apartments are made available for purchase, Mr Van-Petersen warned any political or financial issues in China could trigger a huge wave of foreign buyers into the property market.

He said: "There is a lot of talk about Chinese money, but you guys haven't seen anything yet. Any wobble in China, whether it's political or a financial markets issue, will see serious money flooding out here and, so far, Australia's got no idea of what that looks like."

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-cant-afford-to-burst-housing-bubble-as-wave-of-chinese-money-looms-20151001-gjysne.html

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:23

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Mr Abbott also warned his successor against raising the GST, predicting such a move would be a "terrible mistake".

Asked whether he had forgiven Mr Turnbull, Mr Abbott declined to answer.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:29

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

10% is a nice round number for a GST, I suggest increasing it to 13.96% for reasons

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:32

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Negligent posted:

10% is a nice round number for a GST, I suggest increasing it to 13.96% for reasons

14.88%

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:33

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

ewe2 posted:

In other crybaby news, big business is trying on the kidnap excuse for tax avoidance, but it's part of a bigger picture, says Jeffrey Knapp in a crosspost from The Conversation:

You'd think for people worried about being kidnapped that they would avoid talking about it in public. Some bright spark might think that it's actually a good idea. Wikipedia has a list of famous kidnappings and it turns out of the 5 Australians that were kidnapped, 2 were children, 1 woman, 1 faked and 1 winner of the opera house lottery in 1960. You'd think a wealthy businessperson would get a mention :shrug:

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:35

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

They just don't want a repeat of this http://www.smh.com.au/world/daughter-of-wealthy-german-businessman-killed-in-botched-kidnapping-20150818-gj2by8.html

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:36

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open24hours posted:

They just don't want a repeat of this http://www.smh.com.au/world/daughter-of-wealthy-german-businessman-killed-in-botched-kidnapping-20150818-gj2by8.html

If only the well-known businessman didn't have to disclose his corporate tax payments the kidnappers would never have known he was rich and that young girl may still be alive today :smdh:

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:45

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

open24hours posted:

They just don't want a repeat of this http://www.smh.com.au/world/daughter-of-wealthy-german-businessman-killed-in-botched-kidnapping-20150818-gj2by8.html

Yeah. I'm sure that's exactly it. To avoid a repeat of a thing that happened a month and a half ago.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:46

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

So they are worried about some German serial ransomers setting up shop in Australia? As far as legislation for your political donors goes, this is some very selective reasoning.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:46

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

It's the same reason they're against open borders.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:49

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

I have a better idea: how about we start an educational program for wannabe kidnappers so they would know how to do it successfully and get away with it, so they don't make incredibly stupid mistakes such as showing your face to your captive victim and training on how not to leave DNA evidence?

That way kidnappers will feel safe enough so that when people are willing to pay the ransom, they can accept it instead of killing the hostage out of fear.

Tokamak posted:

So they are worried about some German serial ransomers setting up shop in Australia? As far as legislation for your political donors goes, this is some very selective reasoning.

No, they've been agitating for this law change for far longer than that poor girl has been dead.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:50

CATTASTIC: Mar 31, 2010; ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Malcolm Turnbull disputes claim of Liberal party exodus

Prime minister Malcolm Turnbull is asked to respond to Senator Eric Abetz�s claim that �hundreds of branch members are resigning from the Liberal party� because of the leadership coup. Speaking reporters at Parliament House in Canberra, Turnbull says he does not want to �comment on party matters� but also that the party membership is �very happy with the transition�

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http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2015/oct/01/malcolm-turnbull-disputes-liberal-party-resignations-eric-abetz-video

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:54

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No one wants to kidnap Gina. Not even her family wants her back, so the ransom will go unpaid.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:55

Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

Lid posted:

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...-getting-bigger

Paul Keating is a dickhead.

I quite like this part of the development tho:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/paul-keatings-vision-for-the-headland-park-at-barangaroo-20150821-gj4hg9.html

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:57

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Tommofork posted:

No, they've been agitating for this law change for far longer than that poor girl has been dead.

There's always a loophole somewhere. But hey, it's another externality they can charge to the taxpayer, amounting to involuntary kidnapping insurance. That's of course on top of the very real kidnapping insurance they take out as a matter of corporate due diligence so you see how fair all this is.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:59

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

Jumpingmanjim posted:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-cant-afford-to-burst-housing-bubble-as-wave-of-chinese-money-looms-20151001-gjysne.html

We're running out of interest rate cuts and China is clamping down on money leaving so I am not sure how the Government is going to keep the bubble going

# ? Oct 1, 2015 06:59

Night Shade: Jan 13, 2013; Old School

my stepdads beer posted:

We're running out of interest rate cuts and China is clamping down on money leaving so I am not sure how the Government is going to keep the bubble going

Are they still kicking around the idea of letting people buy homes to live in with super? That'll probably keep it going for a while.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:29

Pred1ct: Feb 20, 2004; Burninating

Jumpingmanjim posted:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-cant-afford-to-burst-housing-bubble-as-wave-of-chinese-money-looms-20151001-gjysne.html

This seems like a stupid argument, having a bubble in the economy isn't good just because it happens to be the lone area of growth. Eventually the bubble will burst and then won't that be a great outcome for the economy.

You know, if they took away the breaks for negative gearing and capital gains, they could cool down the market whilst also raising precious budget revenue....

# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:31

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

Night Shade posted:

Are they still kicking around the idea of letting people buy homes to live in with super? That'll probably keep it going for a while.

That was a Hockey Special and I don't think we'll see it again

# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:33

Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

But ~10% of the voting population negative gear! My precious votes!

# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:34

Amoeba102: Jan 22, 2010

Looks like Tony ripped a big one.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:48

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

Jumpingmanjim posted:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-cant-afford-to-burst-housing-bubble-as-wave-of-chinese-money-looms-20151001-gjysne.html

THE YELLOW MAN COMETH

# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:49

Unimpressed: Feb 13, 2013

Looks like AFP Commissioner Tony Negus has a firm grasp of which party is in power.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/01/bronwyn-bishop-will-not-face-charges-over-helicopter-flights

Letting Bronnie off the hook for 5000$ while killing Peter Slipper for a mere few hundred. gently caress da police yo.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:50

Birb Katter: Sep 18, 2010; BOATS STOPPED
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I'm not posting it in here, it's backburner and they deserve the click.

Anti-Abortion Campaigner Furious at Government Removing His Right To Choose

# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:52

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

Can someone with a Crikey sub post these?

Rundle on Abbott (again) - http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/10/01/rundle-abbott-all-too-human-completely-undone/

Editorial on business lobby whingeing about wages and penalty rates - http://www.crikey.com.au/?p=517362

# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:56

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Wait you mean after financing the construction of cheaply made, overpriced apartments in China, creating an artificial supply that's resulted in a tonne of empty blocks, those same investors are now looking to finance apartments in Australia

Working is for schmucks, property development is the best gig ever.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 07:57

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Did I hear the green shoots of a discussion about a housing bubble????

# ? Oct 1, 2015 08:00

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Clive palmer wanted to be a lawyer when he was a kid but the world forced him to go into real estate and then mining.

Australian capitalism rewards people who can look at an empty space of wilderness and think to themselves yep, can make bulk cash by ruining this

# ? Oct 1, 2015 08:00

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Negligent posted:

Clive palmer wanted to be a lawyer when he was a kid but the world forced him to go into real estate and then mining.

There's also the bit in there where he ran Joh's election campaigns.

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Halo14: Sep 11, 2001

So what does this mean for Tony's leadership ambitions?

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/so-thats-it-for-abbott-in-canberra-dont-bet-on-it-20151001-gjyx45.html

quote:

For the time being, Abbott says he has no immediate plans and will not decide "this side of Christmas" whether to stay in parliament, and seek a frontbench position.

# ? Oct 1, 2015 08:16

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