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This seems like a stupid argument, having a bubble in the economy isn't good just because it happens to be the lone area of growth. Eventually the bubble will burst and then won't that be a great outcome for the economy.
You know, if they took away the breaks for negative gearing and capital gains, they could cool down the market whilst also raising precious budget revenue....
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May 16, 2024 15:23
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Apparently Newman just wrote a biography in which he is very, very bitter about being voted out.
Edit: to expand - http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/02/campbell-newman-calls-media-pack-of-bastards-over-his-treatment-as-premier
Pred1ct fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Oct 2, 2015
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Oct 2, 2015 11:59
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What does it mean if I yell allahu akbar when I hit the post button?
Your posts will be halal.
And god help the Asio agent reading this thread.
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Oct 5, 2015 12:24
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speaking of things noone reads, is that official Labor cheerleading news site or whatever the hell they branded themselves as still running?
They're still alive, and for all those that crowdfunded the Labor Herald they can claim the glory for top notch content such as this:
https://www.laborherald.com.au/education/media/video-games-discover-dastyari-asks/
Also I liked it when their application for the Canberra press gallery was rejected. Amazingly Labor Party newsletter doesn't make the cut as a media organisation.
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It's hard to find that cut-through brand these days.
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Oct 5, 2015 14:10
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quote: Mr Turnbull did not specify what would constitute a no-worse-off test.
Of course he didn't. Because none of the people arguing for it have. Their argument is simply that penalty rates are 'hard on business'. The public needs to understand that this has everything to do with helping business over workers.
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Oct 6, 2015 02:21
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They will argue that hospitality/retail workers are the most casualized workforce, that their workers aren't doing it as a career like in nursing, but just to earn some money while they are studying. And you see the workers quite enjoy this arrangement, because they have the flexibility to work whenever they want around their uni/TAFE timetable!
Oh and the cost of business for oz retail is so high, what with all those online retailers we can barely pay to keep the lights on and please sir, can I have some more sir
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Oct 6, 2015 07:57
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gently caress your 7 day week. gently caress it into the ground.
How about you tell those working salary mon-fri that every week they'll be assigned their working days, and if it's on a Saturday or Sunday then, oh, that's just the 7 day week mate, gotta move with the times.
Our whole societal structure is built around the Sat/Sun weekend, don't give me some modernist bullshit that it isn't. If people want to go shopping or eat out on the weekend it's because they have the means to do so and that business recognises that it's an opportunity for sales. But don't tell me it's the norm.
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Oct 6, 2015 08:07
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Dont think I saw this story posted here. Bold the whole thing etc.
http://m.smh.com.au/national/compensation-for-lawyer-after-wrongful-arrest-20091005-gjfk.html
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A LAWYER has won $40,000 in compensation after NSW police wrongfully arrested her and then falsified official documents, alleging she had committed a terrorist act.
Andrea Turner, 57, was arrested on December 30 last year when a senior constable mistakenly believed Ms Turner had taken a photograph of her conducting a routine patrol of a train with a junior colleague.
Ms Turner, a practising criminal lawyer, had been on her way to a bushwalk in the Royal National Park.
None of the police officers involved has been reprimanded over the incident and there has been no internal investigation.
''Don't take my photo. If you take my photo I will put you on your arse so fast it will not be funny,'' the junior officer had said.
The other told Ms Turner: ''You're obviously a bloke.''
Ms Turner was asked for identification and when she refused, was told to get off the train at the next station or be ''dragged off''.
The senior constable told her she was being arrested for taking a photograph of an officer in the execution of her duty.
Ms Turner denied taking a photograph and pointed out it was not an offence to do so. As was her legal right, she again declined to provide identification.
She was then detained for 30 minutes in front of a crowd of onlookers at Kogarah station.
Ms Turner successfully sued the state of NSW for wrongful arrest and false imprisonment in the District Court, telling the Herald: ''How could I have backed down when I tell my own clients, 'That is thuggery, that is unlawful behaviour and you can't let them get away with it'?''
The state had admitted liability for the incident, but did not accept it should pay aggravated or exemplary damages.
Awarding Ms Turner $20,000 in aggravated and exemplary damages, Judge Anthony Garling found she had displayed no signs of aggression during her arrest and there was no suggestion that the officers had needed to use force.
Yet three police officers were called in as back-up before she was escorted off the platform. Another five - including two detectives - also arrived on the scene.
Despite several phone calls to their superiors, none of them knew which offence, if any, Ms Turner had committed.
''It was an unjust arrest, it was a wrong arrest,'' Judge Garling said.
Without explanation, Ms Turner was freed without charge.
But what happened next was even more serious, with Ms Turner falsely accused of a ''terrorist act'', Judge Garling found.
Police had decided not to pursue the matter or formally record the incident in the police COPS system. But later the same day Ms Turner called the police station to complain about her treatment.
''The police officer then decided to lessen whatever complaint could be made against her by falsifying a public record, that is, by alleging that the plaintiff committed an offence which is related to railway property, not to photographing the police officer,'' Judge Garling said.
The senior constable had written in the falsified COPS entry: ''It should be noted that at the time of dealing with the person of interest police were unaware of the exact offence. It is an offence to take photos on railway property under the new terrorism laws.''
The judge said: ''This lady was sitting on a train going for a bushwalk when the police mistakenly did what they did. In no way could [it] be suggested that it related to terrorism.'' He criticised the police force for not removing or amending the falsified COPS entry or apologising to Ms Turner.
In a statement NSW Police said it would treat the judge's comments seriously. ''The matter will be investigated and any issues identified as a result of that investigation will be addressed.''
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Oct 7, 2015 01:54
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gently caress I should have looked at it properly when I first saw it come up on twitter.
This piece is more recent I promise (Tim Lyons seems to be a very sound campaigner):
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-07/lyons-defending-penalty-rates-does-not-require-political-bravery/6833740
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Supporters of penalty rates should be encouraged by the fact that their stance is shared by most Australians and that employers have failed to make the economic case for this attack on incomes, writes Tim Lyons.
Since the regime change in Canberra, amongst the things that have stayed exactly the same are Coalition ministers supporting calls for cuts to weekend penalty rates, and Sunday rates in particular.
This has been part of a "call and response" game that has been playing out between employer groups and the Coalition over some years now.
The economic case, if you can call it that, for cuts to penalty rates is ridiculously overcooked.
Take a report released by hospitality employers in July as part of the Productivity Commission review of workplace relations, breathlessly headlined, "Penalty rate cut will create 40,000 jobs."
But when you actually read the text, all it said was that it was possible that cutting Sunday penalty rates would result in 60,000 extra hours being worked. Even if it was new workers, there aren't too many people who would argue that 1.5 hours work a week is a "new job".
So even on the employers' own argument, cutting Sunday rates would mean a lot of people taking a pay cut, and a much smaller number of people working a couple of additional hours work - perhaps to make up their lost wages.
Given multiple chances to produce real evidence that penalty rates hurt employment or opening hours, the employers invariably fail.
In a case currently before the Fair Work Commission involving claims to cut Sunday hospitality penalty rates, the employers were put on notice regarding the flimsy nature of their evidence. Witnesses admitted they had done no calculations as to how many more staff they would employ, and that they already employed the same number of staff across the weekend, despite differences in penalty rates.
Some of the employer witnesses appeared to think that the case was about cutting all penalty rates completely, confirming that the real agenda here is a longer term push for total abolition.
The statistical evidence doesn't support calls for cuts. Measured by the number of businesses, hours worked and employment, restaurants and cafes have been "booming".
Meanwhile, the other key target of this campaign is retail. The sector employs about 1.2 million Australians (our second largest industry after health and social assistance). There is no indication of a job or business Armageddon in the data, because of penalty rates or otherwise. Employment in this industry tends to move around based on the overall health of the economy - in other words, it tracks demand and consumer sentiment, exactly as you'd expect.
Then there are the claims that café and retail penalty rates are not "internationally competitive" and so must be cut. This argument is as silly as the urban myth that none of us can find an open café on a weekend. If you don't believe me, ask your local café owner if she has considered relocating their facility to Guangdong to lower the labour costs associated with Sunday brunch.
A relatively small group of workers make this sort of 24/7 economy possible. But it's their wages on the block.
The Prime Minister yesterday cited the "24/7 economy" as grounds for cutting penalty rates. Higher Sunday rates were "historical" he said.
Contrary to what the PM said, penalty rates aren't about some historical curiosity like chimney sweeps or rotary clotheslines. They are about the present reality of who has to work when.
Lots of us consume goods and services at all sorts of weird hours, but not many of us actually work that way. As economist Greg Jericho pointed out in response to the Productivity Commission's draft report on the workplace, "The level of people working at least one day at the weekend hasn't shifted at all in the past 15 years."
The consumption most of us do outside the still highly prevalent "Monday-Friday office hours" is made possible only because of those of us working in retail and "hops". Along this those who transport us around and clean up the mess. And who keep us safe and are there if we get sick.
A relatively small group of workers make this sort of 24/7 economy possible. But it's their wages on the block.
The campaign for cuts to penalty rates consists of the people who make the profits trying to get the politicians to convince those who do the consuming to acquiesce to pay cuts of the people who do the actual work at nights and weekends.
But it's about "the economy" and being "modern" and "24 /7". And it's mostly young people who don't really "need" the money anyway.
Which brings us to Bill Shorten's bewildering use of the example of the need to pay private school fees as a justification for penalty rates. Labor supporters on social media cited low fee Catholic schools as an example, an argument Shorten subsequently adopted.
While almost any example from a household budget would have been better than the one Shorten used, this sort of argument is generally unhelpful and misses a more fundamental point.
In my view "We need to cut your pay to give you a job" and "we need to pay you penalty rates or you'll be surviving on two minute noodles" are bad arguments just like the one about school fees. It can can dehumanise the people involved and demean our society as a whole.
It's not some sort of problem that workers might have the ability to engage in a bit of discretionary spending. Pay your bills. Buy yourself something. Or even have a drink. It's all good. It's your money.
Attacking things like penalty rates (and minimum wages) amounts to a explicit prescription for more inequality. Penalty rates are an anti-poverty measure and they are a bulwark against inequality. But they are more than that.
Defending weekend rates as if they are some kind of act of charity (as some on the Left tend to do) is wrong.
One of the centre-left's strongest suits in economics is supporting good earned incomes for working people. Earned incomes can help give an individual or a family autonomy, security and choices.
Defending penalty rates does not require political bravery - poll after poll has shown stratospheric levels of support of penalty rates (in the 70 and 80 percent range). About three quarters of Coalition voters are supportive of penalty rates.
Labor, and anyone else looking to defend incomes and living standards, must be unapologetic about supporting penalty rates. Whatever people choose to spend the money on.
Tim Lyons is a research fellow at independent think-tank Per Capita and a former ACTU assistant secretary. He tweets @picketer.
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Oct 7, 2015 11:09
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Dutton refuses to be blackmailed by compassion, human rights.
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Oct 15, 2015 09:37
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I watched 4 Corners tonight after hearing all the hubbub yesterday and goddamn it's incredible.
Jackson and Lawler are completely delusional. Surprisingly Lawler is even more of a character than Jackson, his own obsessive audio recordings practically gifted evidence that he'd used power of attorney to steal money to buy a house.
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Oct 20, 2015 10:57
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Look. Bill still has a shot. Just this week he started a selfie collection on Instagram...
A true man of the people.
He's no Kevin Rudd.
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Oct 21, 2015 12:58
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Look Abetz knows his critics are obviously poor intellectuals not worthy of his insight and he can prove this as he has already measured the shape of their skulls.
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Oct 22, 2015 12:10
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In the interview, Senator Di Natale said his personal view was it would be a mistake to enter into a formal, permanent alliance with Labor akin to the Liberal-National Coalition but "I think we can enter into an arrangement with the Labor party to support them in government in the same way we have [in 2010] – you offer confidence and ask for key policy outcomes and you do that election by election," he said.
Sooooo it would be exactly like the Gillard government except they would try to negotiate for ministerial positions?
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Oct 23, 2015 11:18
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Shorten on 1%, and we remind you, there is a 1% margin of error.
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*Mark Latham roams the streets in a tattered tracksuit, masturbating and screaming racial slurs*
'You're all snobs, this is life in Western Sydney, welcome to the real world twitterati'
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