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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


whoops wrong thread, never mind

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Oct 1, 2015

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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


guns shouldn't be banned, but anyone who shows interest in owning them should be banned from doing so

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


this_is_hard posted:

Welp, we've got our first :godwin: ITT.

because the evil gubmint taking your manchild toys away is literally equivalent to the holocaust. got it

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Rent-A-Cop posted:

I feel this way about politics.

Anyone who wants to be in charge shouldn't be.

We need to devise a system wherein we elect only the people who least want to be elected.

sortition worked for Athens, it can work for us

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Fried Chicken posted:

Here's the interesting thing to me - it suggests that Trump has a ceiling of ~32%. Ok, that means he will not be the candidate, which keeps with what everyone expected. But it also suggests he also has a floor of ~24%. That would be what is upending all the models and why he hangs in there, usually the floor for a politician is much larger relatives wit their ceiling, so they either never get a head of steam or they fall off the map when they stumble. Trump breaks from that, and thus the baked in assumptions of the models. It is also what fucks the GOP, because a guy who commands a quarter of the base is a guy who gets to name terms and you don't talk back.

:getin:

This is a few pages old, but what terms exactly are we talking about that Trump could demand if he gets 30% of the vote?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Rent-A-Cop posted:

Well theoretically the US would like them to become a real country that can be trusted to have an army without instantly descending into warlordism and atrocity. In reality Afghanistan is a country that couldn't organize an orgy in a whorehouse and there isn't any point in the foreseeable future when the Afghan government should be trusted to wipe their own asses let alone call in airstrikes.

afghanistan is a country created by russia and britain agreeing to a buffer no man's land between the chunks of territory they took over from Iran

decolonization strikes again lol

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Bizarro Kanyon posted:

I watched the Late Show and John McCain comes off really well until there is any talk of possible war. Then he hawks it up like no other. He wants to send a couple thousand troops and planes to Syria to counterbalance Iran and Russia. He said that we are giving Iran $100 billion dollars and they are going to use that to destroy Israel. When Colbert asked whether we would keep our troops there indefinitely, he said that we have kept 38,000 troops in South Korea for this long, so we might need to do that in the Middle East. He then turned to nothing but American Exceptionalism.

drat McCain, I liked you in 2000 and would have voted for you if had not fathered that illegitimate black child. I have changed my politics, why can't you?

it's cool how the neocons poisoned the well of American international relations for literally a generation or more

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Samurai Sanders posted:

That's somewhat more boring than the image I had in my head.

It means the clown car triumvirate of Carson, Trump, and FIorina get to extract concessions from the nominee in exchange for delegates. What those concessions are I'm not sure, but there's still hope for excitement

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


hrm it's almost like western europe had pre-existing nation states where afghanistan does not

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Acebuckeye13 posted:

The only place that post-WWII Europe and Afghanistan would have been even remotely comparable was West Germany, and even then it was only successful thanks to the presence of an exterior enemy the occupied populace feared more than us (The USSR), decades of occupation, and the influx of an utterly staggering amount of money to rebuild. And that was all without an insurgency running around.

not really no, the german corporate-industrial bureaucracy was basically just given a massive injection of capital by the US, but kept on ticking unchanged basically

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Relentlessboredomm posted:

Related question. Can anyone relay to me a vision for what Afghanistan is supposed to look like when we finally pull out?

free of turrists (muslims)

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Dead Reckoning posted:

Depends on the poison. In the U.S., most attempts are made with pills. In other countries, particularly rural communities, ingestion of pesticides is more common. Parquat is over 60% effective.

Okay, so you acknowledge that reducing gun access and prevalence would reduce the suicide rate?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


GhostofJohnMuir posted:

Did Russia ever fix it's counter-terrorism program, or is the strategy still to just shoot the hostage?

something something death solves all problems, etc

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Crowsbeak posted:

Is it just me or does CBS seem to be going full on right wing of late? COuld it be just a ploy to keep their primarily older audience happy?

lol @ anyone who gives a poo poo about network TV news

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


zoux posted:

You know what? gently caress you. I'm sick of reading poo poo like this from gun owners. The NRA has been nothing but reasonable. The NRA has been entirely too reasonable.

You know what being reasonable got us? hosed in the rear end. Compromise has not satisfied people like the Bradys, Bloomberg, or anyone else. They've used compromise to redefine the middle ground and tell us we need to give up more of our rights. The define being reasonable as acquiescing to all of their demands, otherwise we are extremists who want dead children.

So gently caress being reasonable. If they want change, they need to be willing to actually compromise instead of going "hey, we aren't banning everything yet"

It's time for us to realize that "go gently caress yourself" is a perfectly valid response to these idiots demanding something. Until they are ready to talk about removing suppressors from the NFA, or national CCW reciprocity, or no more SBR / SBS restrictions they aren't compromising.

.....Tantrum response?

is this a real post?

Armyman25 posted:

To protect my hearing and the hearing of those around me. Guns are loud.

Silenced guns are still too loud to shoot without hearing protection. Thanks for playing, try again next time

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


I am not a book posted:

So we have a bunch of people who are presumably worried about the harm caused by guns, but for some reason want to make sure that gun owners risk damaging their hearing.
Hmm.

icantfindaname posted:

Silenced guns are still too loud to shoot without hearing protection. Thanks for playing, try again next time

Silencers are useful for concealing gunfire from outside observers (like the police) but not for protecting your hearing

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Armyman25 posted:

This is how laws are passed, it's been that way since the Romans. I don't know what to tell you if you think otherwise.

the difference is that the romans wouldn't have tolerated whiny manchild gun owners and probably would have crucified them outside the city gate as a warning to potential copycats. they have a lot to teach us IMO

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


various cheeses posted:

"We just want reasonable gun control, like banning everything that looks scary, preventing people from carrying them ever, and making everything cost thousands of dollars."

hrm yeah sounds good to me

here's the thing, at this point guns should be banned just to spite gun owners, literally regardless of real world dangers. that's how bad gun owners are

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


various cheeses posted:

Relaxed rules on silencers/short barreled rifles/etc. Maybe stopping stupid import rules like not being able to import a barrel. Maybe admitting that pursuing a features ban is dumb as gently caress and doesn't affect crime whatsoever.

hrm, how about .... no, gently caress you?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


lol they deleted all the posts in TFR

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


DeusExMachinima posted:

No wait, you were so close to educating us about silencers!

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/11/gun-silencers-dont-make-them-anywhere-near-silent/

quote:

That’s actually pretty significant considering the decibel system is a logarithmic scale; so, for example, 200 dB is 1000 times louder than 100 dB, not double, and a reduction of 40 dB is more like 1/100th of the original sound. However, for most commercially available fire arms and cartridges, this ends up only reducing the noise level to somewhere in the range of 130-150-ish dB for a supersonic cartridge and 117-130-ish dB for a subsonic cartridge. For reference on just how loud that is, an ambulance or police siren is typically between 100-140 dB. So this isn’t exactly the “whoosh” sound Hollywood depicts. Given that hearing loss can occur as low as 85 dB, it’s typically recommended that even with a silencer on a fire arm, that the shooter still wears some sort of hearing protection.

immediate hearing loss threshold is usually given as around 120dB, so uh, ahahahaha stop posting you literal brain damaged retard

like someone else posted, i guess too many loud noises takes a toll on a person

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Oct 12, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


DeusExMachinima posted:

No dumbshit, immediate hearing loss is 140db. How can you not know this?

http://www.oshanoise.com/osha_standard.html

http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/education/information-center/noise-induced-hearing-loss/

http://www.dangerousdecibels.org/education/information-center/decibel-exposure-time-guidelines/

quote:

A clap of thunder from a nearby storm (120 dB) or a gunshot (140-190 dB, depending on weapon), can both cause immediate damage.

and in addition my last post quoted saying silenced guns average at 140dB as well, so, uh, try again. or actually, please don't and scurry back off to your manchild posting ghetto

Monkey Fracas posted:

I guess to shift the conversation a little I'd like to ask what makes the NRA such an unreasonably powerful lobbying group.

read the last few pages of this thread to find out why

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Oct 12, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


various cheeses posted:

If the parties flip flopped on gun control I'd never vote for a republican again. Unfuck your party and maybe I'll consider giving them my votes again.

serious post: gun owners shouldn't be allowed to vote

there's no right to vote in the constitution, remember

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Jarmak posted:

Is that why you're willing to alienate a large portion of the electorate who might otherwise support you on those issues just to support useless regulations that aren't going to pass?

these people don't actually exist, just FYI

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Jarmak posted:

The previously mentioned Colorado elections indicate otherwise.

Also the fact I'm one and I don't even own a gun.

Okay so that's one minor D-leaning swing state full of libertarian manchildren. That's it? In that case, gently caress it, the Rs can have them

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


DeusExMachinima posted:

a) that's not OSHA, my source was and b) 120db *can* cause hearing loss immediately *after* prior exposure that day. Some shorter/lighter suppressors intended primarily for combat versus range use are just under the 140db threshold, most aren't. Don't know where you got your "average" from. Try again.

I guess you didn't hear me tell you not to leave your posting ghetto anymore? Maybe because of all the hearing damage?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Jarmak posted:

I feel like no one in this thread has ever met a democrat or independent from a rural area or swing state

they're called dixiecrats, and there aren't too many of them left these days in case you haven't noticed

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Snowman Crossing posted:

I voted straight Democrat for the first decade of my voting history. Then a few years ago I took up recreational shooting on a whim.

Gunlording is now my favorite hobby. As a white thirty-something living in the suburbs, I have come to the realization that there is no reason for me to not vote Republican. Sure, they are wrong about everything, but most of them are committed to blocking gun control motions, and that means my favorite hobby stays safe. None of their other terrible policies are going to dramatically effect a privileged white male like me. I'll still be able to watch football, listen to metal, plus I can own bad rear end guns. I'm not pretending that it isn't completely lovely, but no, it's not a fig leaf either.

like i said, gun enthusiasts should literally be barred from voting

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


sharknado slashfic posted:

Are you saying that people should vote against their own interests because that would make you...a republican.

identity politics aren't real interests, comrade

to the guillotine with you

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Has there ever actually been a grand-coalition style crossbench speaker of the house in US history?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


the_paradigm_shift posted:

Aside from being way too long, and ignoring conservative pundits, does the American public really have a problem with Afghanistan going on? Like the moderates and people who ignore politics.

I feel like the American public, much like Obama himself, at this point cares mostly about saving face and studiously refusing to acknowledge the catastrophic effects of the neocon policies that it voted for, and just wants the whole middle east nightmare to quietly go away and never be mentioned again

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Oct 15, 2015

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008



it's loving hilarious how transparently the media wants to sink hillary

not that hillary isn't a hilarious idiot for picking that fight to begin with, but god drat

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


fits my needs posted:

Um, what the hell is crowd sourced news journalism? What is that link?

reddit?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


so how did hillary's testimony go? any meaningful developments or is this just going to keep continuing indefinitely?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Ditocoaf posted:

I'm a big Sanders supporter, but of the variety that just is glad for him legitimizing socialism and applying pressure from the left

lol if you think Sanders is a socialist or that what he's normalizing is socialism

Full Nationalization Now

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


so sum up the GOP debate for me. who did well, who did poorly, etc. did The Donald come out OK? what about Carson? did JEB! implode?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Mavric posted:

I'm trying to imagine honest blue collar plumbermens people debating what they heard at this debate tonight and my mind is exploding, please advise.

they're voting for donald trump just FYI

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


evilweasel posted:

I'd like a unicorn, because I too dislike dealing with reality.

william jennings bryan owned, actually

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


wrong thread

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Oct 30, 2015

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Jul 1, 2008


Dolash posted:

Surely every thread is the right thread for a stirring defense of anime?

someday, young padawan. but that day is not today

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Oct 30, 2015

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