Apraxin posted:

https://twitter.com/Orbitaldropkick/status/1247554609092145152
O M I N O U S

Twenty Four posted:

Here's a guess - Salami Dave the Demiurge can not bleed, or can keep himself from doing so. At some point in all of this some one, probably one of the main cast, will cut or injure him ever so slightly, but there will be no blood. That's his big catch 22.

Twenty Four posted:

Yeah I don't necessarily think my guess was right, just something I thought of as a possible twist. However, if I remember right, Gog said Salami Dave will "grant your wish" which doesn't necessarily mean "take over his empire"? It might have said that specifically somewhere else but I don't remember the page.

Here's where Gog was explaining it to Allison, which is what I remember off the top of my head.

https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/king-of-swords-7-64/

a computing pun posted:

I like to believe that Dave hasn't considered the possibility that a person would wish for anything other than to take his place. Or, at least, that anyone powerful enough and (in his mind, therefore wise and virtuous enough) to scratch him would - I'm sure he knows that there are plenty of fools who would wish for love or money or whatever, but, like, he created a perfect world-spanning empire, the greatest dominion ever to exist. It's forever his greatest achievement, obviously it's also the greatest desire of anyone sensible.

Joe Slowboat posted:

I still think Solomon David is lying to himself about wanting to hand off his empire. Like, consciously, that's what he wants. That's what he knows it would be most virtuous and god-emperor-ly of him to want.

But he is also completely incapable of letting anyone else make their own, in his eyes wrong, decisions. He's completely inflexible and self-absorbed, so nobody (even someone who beats him!) will ever be good enough for the Celestial Empire of Solomon David unless they are literally just Solomon David. There is no way in hell he would actually hand off his empire, because that would be an opportunity for something to do the wrong thing and threaten what he built. So, his search for an heir is futile and will always end in him obliterating the challenger because Solomon David cannot actually recognize anyone but himself as worthy.

I'm interested in being proven wrong, but like, you don't become the tyrant of seven hundred thousand worlds (or about eleven percent more than that) without being some kind of hosed up, that just doesn't happen to reasonable people.

Joe Slowboat posted:

I'm not missing that, because that's the case for every Demiurge. Mottom's court was her prison; Yre was Mammon's.

Mottom desperately wanted to escape, but without Allison would never have actually done what was necessary.

Solomon will never accept an heir until he is forced to, because Solomon cannot actually bear to give up the prison he's built for himself (and more importantly, for his citizens).

Darth Walrus posted:

I believe they get a choice between fighting him for control of the empire or getting a silly-huge reward, likely similar to what the smart battle royale contestants are getting by standing still and doing nothing

shirts and skins posted:

FIVE POINT PALM HEART EXPLODING TECHNIQUE!

wiegieman posted:

There are 2 people who know Ki Rata, but the other one actually adheres to the oath he took not to use it.

Precambrian posted:

I hope the other Ki Rata guy never shows up again in the comic. I just love that there's this apocalyptic, demiurge tier powerhouse living in Throne who adheres to his oath so strictly that he mostly just gives people relationship and business advice while chilling in his tower and people have just gotten used to him.

He could utterly destabilize the power balance of the entire universe, but he is not about to do poo poo unless somebody tries to learn Ki Rata and everyone knows it.

Hypocrisy posted:

There are still bones? Guess Solomon is going easy on them.

eke out posted:

yeah Chekhov's Gog is definitely in play here

SniperWoreConverse posted:

any joke he may or may not have said died in the universal war and he has never joked again

Fister Roboto posted:

I really hope that when this is all over, Solomon finally breaks his composure. Just totally loses his poo poo.

Hostile V posted:

Oh god just full-bore Passive Aggressive Dad meltdown as he systematically dismantles everything and he doesn't even raise his voice louder than polite conversation.

"Fine, I put all this effort into a tournament for a willing heir and this is the kind of reception dad gets, huh? Thought the two suns were a good touch but no I guess nothing's good enough for you. Going to have to bring the extra sun back to the store, see if I can get a refund or store credit. Going to have to maybe talk to a manager about it. There goes my Saturday. Gonna take me all day."

IMJack posted:

Gog-Googlegogs



The Agogstrocrats!

Joe Slowboat posted:

To be fair, Gog-Agog is clearly 'approximately one New God of the Seven Part World' dangerous, which is to say, one of the most unpredictably and incomparably horrifying beings in the entire omniverse.

Solomon David also killed a demiurge and took his star-crown, so the two of them facing off seems like a fascinating and terrifying event. I'd be disappointed if he just got nommed, rather than 'his entire empire is thrown into Worm War and he's still only one man, even if he can kill an entire planet with his fists in surprisingly little time.'

Dr Subterfuge posted:

A spread of everyone getting gibbed simultaneously* would be pretty badass.

Regalingualius posted:

The secret of Ki Rata is bullets too slow.

Cryophage posted:

paranoid randroid posted:

here come dat paterdom-dom-dom-dom

The Lord of Hats posted:

Num num paternum! Pater pater paternum!

eke out posted:

https://twitter.com/Orbitaldropkick/status/1251896014459539458
alt-text: One drop of blood

eke out posted:

trying to figure out if the people who were sitting and not moving to attack him are also dead? i mean it sure looks like literally everyone in that radius is very dead

Ashcans posted:

His halo is completely gone this whole time, which I take to mean this is all purely his Ki Rata bullshit, not even powered or enhanced by crazy Key poo poo.

eke out posted:

yeah i think you're right, we're not in the same spot anymore and everyone's moved forward to encircle him.

presumably all those people who backed off are all perfectly fine, since he did promise them


the same glowing purple as his halo is completely surrounding his body tho

Evil Mastermind posted:

I doubt it; Dave's probably going to letter-of-the-law and kill them too because he said that they had to "remain as you are and do absolutely nothing".

https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/king-of-swords-10-132/

Hell, he's probably going to still kill people who did stand still because they blinked or something.

Renaissance Robot posted:

From everyone else's perspective this is one of those "the swords clicks the last inch back into its sheath without ever being seen and everyone falls in half" moments

The very height of martial arts breathing bullshit

reignonyourparade posted:

Letter of the law is just that running away means you don't get any rewards. It basically set up a scenario where those who DO trust in his words get rewards and those who went "actually I dont want to be anywhere near Salami Dave when he's fighting" get mere survival.

Demiurge4 posted:

Maia is still unaccounted for and if she’s in the arena she’s allowed a strike.

Joe Slowboat posted:

This doesn't seem to say it was Jagganoth's idea, just that they're working together. We don't have any evidence it was the Red God's idea, and from Incubus' first scene with Allison in dreams where he seems to be considering how useful she might be, I would bet he was the first to see potential in her - maybe not to restart Universal War, but his entire deal is taking people and baiting them into getting hooked on Crystal Incubus.

Plus, just narratively, unless he explicitly says Jagganoth drew him into this plan, the way he was introduced and the way the story played out, he's clearly meant to be understood as independently scheming.

That he's dumb enough to scheme with the Red God is a character point about Incubus, and his terrible terrible decisions.

Dr Subterfuge posted:

Emissaries are people like the bondage nun who have been lent a portion of a Key. Maya isn't anyone's Emissary. She's also not part of the order of knights who follow Jag. She's a Mendicant Knight.

EimiYoshikawa posted:

Lots of people have those without their being Emissaries that get their juice straight from a Demiurge's key.

Some of them have fakes, just as fashion, some are just personally powerful enough that they have a real diminutive version, much like the (many) Demiurges of old had before they all got whittled down and condensed into the 7 of today.

Maya is likely in that 'just personally powerful enough to have one of her own' crowd. Can't remember what they're called, off-hand, but they're a thing outside of the Demiurge keys.

edit: Ley-Stones. That's what they're called.

https://killsixbilliondemons.com/comic/wielder-of-names-1-16/

Anybody can have one, they're separate from actual Keys to gates, and the ones that aren't fakes (to look more powerful/important than you actually are) get bigger and more impressive the more powerful you are. Naturally, demiurges can pump some of their power into someone, and their Ley-Stone would become more impressive as a result, so it's the natural assumption one would make for most people meeting someone with one like that (you know, impressive).

Maya has a pretty dang big one...because she's Maya, end of story. Most people would probably assume she's wearing a fake...because what would a drunken noodle-glutton possibly be doing with an actual Ley-Stone that size and luster?

VanSandman posted:

Yeah that's all been stated explicitly.
Maya left her key behind when she stopped being a demiurge. It's why she's not still a demiurge.

MikeJF posted:

Apropos of nothing, I was just looking up something else and saw that apparently there's no Aesma corpse in Throne because the creation of her universe was so violent it blasted her body to bits and there's just scattered fragments of Aesma all over throne.

Tulip posted:

When Meti says that being a noodle vendor is a good thing to be, it isn't because noodle vendors don't care, it's because they care very deeply about something that makes people's lives better in a way you can actually control, without becoming a horrible control freak who ruins everyone around you.

You don't succeed by not caring - Incubus doesn't care. You succeed by caring very deeply about very close things.

Tulip posted:

When Meti says that being a noodle vendor is a good thing to be, it isn't because noodle vendors don't care, it's because they care very deeply about something that makes people's lives better in a way you can actually control, without becoming a horrible control freak who ruins everyone around you.

You don't succeed by not caring - Incubus doesn't care. You succeed by caring very deeply about very close things.

wiegieman posted:

A lesson that involves Incubus becoming the god of a seventh of creation is a bad lesson.

thechosenone posted:

What if someone tried to combine both? make your sword into a plow, plow your enemies literally into the ground to fertilize your tomatoes. I'm sure at least one person had some pretty good results with this idea.

nimby posted:

Incubus took all of the teachings of Meti to heart and lives and breathes her lessons.

It's just that Meti taught him wrong as a joke.

coolusername posted:

I thought the smoke wafting out of the arena windows = white chain just got smoked?