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OP, property rights are not the same as human rights, and when the two conflict human rights should win out. If you disagree with this, please provide an argument for why owning an X-Box is a right on par with the right to go to a doctor tia.
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Jrod, ignoring for a second that you don't understand what property rights means if you're talking about the property rights of a man who owns nothing but a loaf of bread, property rights are actually the thing that keeps that poor man starving in nations like Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Canada, etc. Thanks to their rich oil supply, there are many wealthy Nigerians, Saudis, Canadians, etc who can afford to do all the charity they want, and yet poverty and starvation still exist. Could it be that... trickle down doesn't work??? 
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Oct 9, 2015 17:08
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Threadshitting aside, being serious for a second JRod, please consider the three questions I always pose to you when you're around: 1) Do you now, or have you ever, desired to sell yourself into slavery, but found yourself unable to because of the State? 2) Do you now, or have you ever, had a child enrolled in primary education that you wished you could pull out of schooling and get them started with a 100 hour a week job, but were dismayed when you realized the State forbade both child workers and forced an 80 hour work week onto workers? 3) If the minimum wage were abolished, would you start looking for one of the new $3/hr jobs? If not, are you holding out for $4/hr job, or will you just grab the first $2.50/hr job you can find?
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Oct 10, 2015 00:42
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I think we should build concentration camps for muslims, leftists, and gays and then ban all non-Aryans from immigrating to our State. Go ahead an tell me I'm racist lieberals, but I'll have you know my words are those of the great Hans-Hermann Hoppe! Tremble with terror as you try to fling your accusations of "racism" at me. Don't worry Jrod, I'll take up the Libertarian cause while you're away! 
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Oct 12, 2015 05:24
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We have tried feeding the poor through random acts of charity. It was a miserable failure, starvation persisted, and homelessness continues to this day. Human rights trump property rights, children not starving to death and not sleeping in the streets trumps your right to an X-Box. Therefore it is not only moral to take apples from people who have excess but an obligation. I hope this clears up some confusion you've been having Jrod. Also please don't argue here if Hitler was racist. I agree with everything Hitler said and I'm not racist so obviously Hitler was not either. burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Oct 12, 2015 13:55
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8 pages in an OP has failed to explain why I should care about property rights. Human rights are so much better.
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Oct 12, 2015 14:26
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I can see no reason Malcolm X would disagree with a man arguing all people should be seen as property.
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Oct 12, 2015 18:05
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If socialism, then why don't socialist countries give all their money to poor capitalist countries? Check mate statards  .
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Oct 14, 2015 00:59
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jrodefeld posted:gently caress you and get the gently caress off of my thread. I don't have any goddamn patience for your loving poo poo anymore. Dude, who do you think you are exactly? Nobody is afraid of macho man Jrod and I would have absolutely no problem insulting your waifu Hans-Hermann Hoppe to your face because I have no problem insulting Nazis. jrodefeld posted:I don't care what the gently caress you do. Just don't aim those loving guns in my direction. You don't really care about the State violence committed on your behalf. If there is a social problem you are concerned about, go fix it! Work in the market, create something, innovate. Don't use the political process to terrorize your fellow man into complying with your social designs. So Libertarians are the only civilized people in the world, and the rest of the world is sociopaths robbing other sociopaths at gunpoint? Every nation on earth understands that sometimes you can't make everything 100% voluntary, but you jrod are the wunderkind who has seen through the veil and have become a civilized man in a world of barbarians. Fight me irl, I'll beat you up if you say that to my face. (am I being civilized right? I'm learning from the best here)
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Oct 15, 2015 14:09
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VitalSigns posted:It must be so confusing to read a history book as a Libertarian. "And why didn't the Europeans stop doing buisness with the Mongols after they initiated force against the Abbasids? Didn't they know that the Mongol's hostile takeover of the Abbasids was good for the Mongols but bad for the people they were taking over? They should have stopped doing buisness with the Mongols, that would have stopped them!"
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Oct 15, 2015 15:32
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As an Internet Tough Guy, I am terrified that somebody threatened me over the Internet. That is my one weakness, I am now forced to accept how right and not racist HHH is. LEFTISTS AND GAYS TO THE CAMPS! DEPORT ALL NON-WHITES! KEEP AMERICA ARYAN!
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Oct 15, 2015 18:33
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Gravel Gravy posted:Wait so we aren't talking about Triple H? We can, but only to sing HHHis praise. THE STATE HAS THE DUTY TO PREVENT MUD RACES FROM IMMIGRATING! APPOINT A MONARCH, BUT MAKE SURE HE'S NOT A NEGROID! LIBERTARIANS MUST SEND THE GAYS TO THE CAMPS!
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Oct 15, 2015 21:17
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Literally The Worst posted:n Oh, well in that case only if he wrestles by the non-agression principle, and if he's not a negroid.
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Oct 15, 2015 21:23
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Did (s)he form joinder with you? That's how you know they really care about you.
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Oct 15, 2015 21:27
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jrodefeld posted:Most political internet forums are populated by people who don't know anything. I will respond to this in a language you are familiar with, the language of non-agression: SAY THAT loving poo poo TO ME IRL! I WILL CURBSTOMP YOUR FACE IN!
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Oct 16, 2015 03:54
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Breaking gimmick for a second: most of us act like assholes here because D&D's posting culture generally encourages that kind of posting, for better or worse. Here I'm an rear end in a top hat harping on you for whatever strikes me as your worst post of that day. Hop over to Batman's Shameful Secret on the other hand, and I'm explaining that I don't like posting about "thread opinion" on comic books because it alienates posters, and even if 99% of us dislike the new Uncanny Avengers, we shouldn't say stuff like "I'm glad we all agree Uncanny Avengers was terrible" because it spoils the thread for the few people that did like it. Not that BSS is totally devoid of assholery (people have very strong feelings on their Batmans), but you don't see the kind of constant mockery like in your threads because even if you had bizarre and terrible opinions there's just nothing fun about posting "Jrod likes Red Hood, what a weirdo," over and over again.
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Oct 16, 2015 04:27
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RuanGacho posted:This is not an unknown part of the cycle, he's done this before when I took the tact of explaining to him that I was the literal embodiment of all his assertions about government aggression as a government worker and it boiled down to "oh I'm sure you're a nice person when you're not commiting AGGRESSION against everyone, shame you chose to be a horrible statist which has no redeeming value what so ever" to paraphrase him. Its in the other thread rather early on. Yeah, I recall this happening before, I just enjoy giving him the benefit of the doubt here because when he does make his turn back to "all of you are aggressing against me", it will give me more material to be an rear end in a top hat to him about later. When I said D&D posting culture encourages assholish posting, I wasn't lamenting that fact. Yeah it can lead to moments where someone who genuinely doesn't know much about politics says something dumb and gets a whole bunch of poo poo for it, but I cannot imagine discussing politics on a forum where everyone has to feign friendliness to someone arguing "I think UHC is theft, poors should just avoid getting cancer if treatment is so expensive, if getting treatment for cancer didn't cost an arm and a leg everyone would get cancer just for funsies". Sometimes, the only response to an abhorrent opinion is a combination of "gently caress you" and mockery.
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Oct 16, 2015 16:17
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I'm still not even clear on what my body being my property means. Does that mean I own my body in the same way I own the tablet I am writing this post out with? Can I sue my mother for giving me a defective body, or do I get it as is? Since parents own their children and can thus sell them as they see fit, can they also do other things with their kids bodies like get them tattoos or sell one of their arms? Can I sign contracts and offer a pound of flesh as collateral? Why would I want any of these things?
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Oct 19, 2015 06:14
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OwlFancier posted:Is there a libertarian argument for why we need to replace the fuzzy but largely functional system we have now for human interaction with some kind of weird honour-driven barter system? Because then they don't need to pay for food stamps or pay welfare benefits for single mothers. Also for some, because it means you can bring back segregation without having to outright say "I want to ban fags from my neighborhood" (unless you're Hans-Herman Hoppe who just cuts right to the chase).
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Oct 20, 2015 00:28
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Even if we had that kind of scarcity it would probably at best be an argument for culling of the human population honestly, not Libertarianism.
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Oct 20, 2015 01:20
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Wait if we have infinite electricity, wouldn't that mean that in Galt's world, he had eliminated scarcity in every form and gotten rid of the need for property rights and Libertarianism? In Jrod's OP he specifically said that Libertarianism was justified by scarcity, but if you have infinite energy then you've already violated the laws on conservation of mass and energy; you can make more energy without trading any mass, and thus have ended scarcity even if you didn't accept that we already don't have a scarcity problem but a distribution one.
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Oct 21, 2015 00:09
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Why don't we just repeal the 14th amendment. Anti-miscegenation laws are a human right drat it.
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7) Tell the Blue Spruce clan to try Jrod while we assemble our own court and try Jrod. If the results are different, we come together and pick a third party court to try the case a third time. Reject any third party court other than one headed by Jrod's brother.
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Oct 30, 2015 06:00
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Lord_Ventnor posted:I still don't know why I should care about property rights. Because if you don't, Jrod's gonna beat you up until you love the non-agression principle. Now, do we kick out the negroids or the gays first? Hoppe just moved into the neighborhood and while I don't endorse his views he's a wonderful man whose works I read every night and whose world view I want to implement.
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Nov 6, 2015 06:03
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As an anarchist, I am very invested in the creation of this new state. The goal of anarchy is, after all, to create nation-states dedicated to the preservation of slavery.
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Nov 18, 2015 16:31
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jrodefeld posted:Also, I know this is a comedy forum but as it relates to my threads, I'd really like to limit the amount of substance-less posts that consist of riffs or attempts at cheap-shot humor. I'm really interested in comparing and contrasting political beliefs. I am firmly in the anti-"watermelon loving" camp. Where do you stand?
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Nov 19, 2015 07:43
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Jrod, I want you to answer a simple question: what is the greater evil, property tax or slavery? Which one hurts a nation's economic freedom more? If the slavery is worse, is there any kind of tax then that is worse than slavery?
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Nolanar posted:That's totally unfair. I don't know where you'd even get the idea that libertarians approve of slavery, beyond your own persecution complexes that are probably due to a bad breakup. *quotes multiple libertarian Freedom Indices that put slave states near the top of the list, quotes a dude who's totally in favor of "voluntary" slavery, quotes a dude who supports a healthy free market in children* Also never forget that if you don't stop implying people who are Nazis in all but name are racist, Jrod will personally curb stomp you until you embrace the love of Libertarianism. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a Libertarian boot stomping on a statists' face forever. Heil Hoppe.
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Slaan posted:Did it at least figure out Why We Should Care About Property Rights? Because Jrod will hurt us if you don't  .
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jrodefeld posted:Now, to my mind, your friend died due to the lack of a free market in medical care not because we don’t have total healthcare socialism. This is incorrect. We have "healthcare socialism" in other countries where people do not experience the issues that Caro's friend experienced in America. We have a proven way to eliminate these problems with no decrease in quality of care. We have no need to engage in your wet dreams with the hopes that they might incidentally achieve comparable results. The rest of your post continues to make this mistake.
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Followup: Jrod, is slavery wrong or is it fine so long as I do it by stealing a foreigner's documents? Very important to know if you want to argue Libertarianism is morally superior.
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Jan 17, 2016 20:48
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Jrod, given that you were scammed into removing perfectly good fillings for no reason at all, are you really sure you're the best person to offer... pretty much anyone at all medical advice?
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Jan 17, 2016 20:58
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People do not die of lack of money for medical treatment in nations with UHC. The slightest departure from this to an ever so slightly freeer market causes mass death due to lack of money for medical treatment. There is no appreciable downside to UHC. Thus, we do not have any reason to explore your fantasy world. Thus you will continued to be taxed for the healthcare system, whether it is the current US one or if the US manages to finally civilize and adopt UHC.
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Pfhahaha I missed that. Jrod, you are the poster child for why we need the FDA now more than ever. Not only did you fall victim to a scam, you felt grateful to the con artist for scamming you out of your fillings. This proves you are not a rational actor and require a guiding hand from the state. You're welcome .
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jrodefeld posted:Making something "free" creates a huge spike in demand, overuse of medical resources and unintended consequences. This is incorrect. You need to learn elementary logic. Just because something is free does not mean people will automatically demand it. Snow is free. I can run outside right now and grab it by the handful. Nobody would stop me or complain. And yet I do not. It has no value or use to me and even if it did, I have sufficient ice for anything I'd need snow for and so I have no interest in the snow outside. Similarly, I do not have cancer so chemotherapy drugs are useless to me. I do not want to irradiate myself because there aren't really any upsides to it in my situation. Even if you offered to cut me open and cut away any cancer cells you happen to stumble across for free, I would decline because to my knowledge I do not have cancer and so even if it's free I don't really want to go through the hassles and dangers of surgery for no apparent reason. I am a Canadian who currently lives in the USA. I have lived with UHC and I have lived with American healthcare. I have visited European countries and in particular Poland where my relatives live. The thing you are suggesting that there is a shortage of medical supplies due to people getting cancer treatment for funsies because it's free is not a common enough occurrence to base any policy decisions on. Thus we will continue to tax you to fund our healthcare systems, whether it is the American system, or if the USA civilizes, UHC. burnishedfume fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Jrod, I think it's not only justified, but an outright moral good to kill anyone involved in the slave trade. If someone firebombed the home of an auctioneer who organized auctions where slaves were bought and sold, I'd ask if the auctioneer lived alone, and if he did then I'd say that arsonist is a hero (and if not, I'd say they are a good person with some failings). If someone had kidnapped and hanged the entire crew of a slave galley during the days of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, I'd say there were a hero. If someone had walked right up to George Washington and shot him in the face simply for the crime for owning a slave, I'd say that assassin is a national hero and we should have a holiday to celebrate that murder. I do not feel there's any level of participation that is so low your murder should be condemned. Maybe if you were only incidentally involved such as a worker at a dock recording the arrival of a slave ship or a government official recording the number of slaves in a state for the census, but anyone who directly profits from slavery, from the carpenter who accepts a contract to repair a known slave ship to the architect that designs the slaves' living quarters, all of them have committed crimes worthy of extrajudicial murder. Whether or not you agree with this world view, do you think it would be consistent for this world view to call for the death of IRS employees who collect and calculate taxes? Why or why not?
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jrodefeld posted:If the cost is free, or at least hidden for you and outsourced to another third party, you will have the incentive to have routine check-ups more frequently, have excess and unnecessary diagnostic tests like x-rays and MRIs, see chiropractors or message therapists, and many other health treatments. This is correct, UHC encourages regular checkups and accepting elective diagnostic tests so that we can catch things like cancer earlier when it is easier and cheaper to treat. It is in my financial interest for more people to get check ups but private insurance sees it as a burden. Thus UHC is in my financial interest. This will not lead to any scenario you invented of someone getting MRIs weekly because they're so fun and free. People naturally don't like going to the doctors and they like paying for extra poo poo even less. But to keep healthcare affordable and effective, we need them to at least once a year come in and do all the optional things. Thus, the most efficient solution is UHC.
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paragon1 posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3636681&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=340#post454982854  Jrod, did you ever answer /u/beertastic's question? How did you get the rights to sell Hard Boiled on Blue-ray?
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Honestly I asked Jrod because I was curious if he did the homework here and found that there was no copyright registration for some of those films. Supercop and Hard Boiled I'm guessing no since Supercop got a US release and Hard Boiled got a DVD release by Dragon Dynasty which normally only releases films the Weinstein Company has the rights to, but Drunken Master I have no idea and could believe is actually public domain because it was never registered right.
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