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Rey being a Skywalker seems obvious enough based entirely on the fact that she's introduced as living on a desert planet and messes around with mechanical stuff/has a robot buddy and rides around on a speeder.
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Justin Godscock posted:I'm really curious now, assuming we're talking about the same lightsabre, is how exactly it got from Bespin to Jakku given how Luke lost it after he got his hand cut off in that giant air chamber. Space magic. You might call it The Force. But yeah, it's the goofiest way to start a new Star Wars. The weird part is it seems like the first scene and the second scene take place literally decades apart, with this only becoming apparent when we get to a big flashback montage like 70% of the way into the film. Which, now that I think about it, is pretty much how JJ opened Star Trek, minus having to put a flashback late in the film to justify the opening scene.
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wyoming posted:Carrie Fisher might as well have been in a coma during TFA. I imagine getting the script for this movie they had made a big deal about you signing on to and finding your entire role is "stand around and talk about men doing things and then hug the main character who you've never met before" had to be one of the most infuriating/deflating goddamn things. Like she has more to do in like five minutes in any and every other Star Wars movie she did than she does in Force Awakens. I'd give the bare minimal effort at that point, too.
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Given that Laura Dern is apparently involved in the Poe/Leia story quite deeply and there is no mention of a character like her at all in that, I'm gonna venture to say that 90% of that is bullshit with some broad strokes that are spot-on like Luke talking with the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda and Maz being somewhere in the picture, probably in something like a vision quest for Rey. As it is apparently Dern is a lower commander in the Resistance who inserts herself as leader when Leia is put into a coma by a First Order ambush, much to Poe's chagrin. Poe rebels against her command and eventually takes over the Resistance himself after Dern's character makes a bunch of decisions that suggest she might be a FO mole operating within the Republic's chain of command. Presumably Leia wakes up before the end of the picture and resumes her leadership - or maybe she lets Poe retain his position as a "passing the torch" thing, since this movie's probably going to be stacked high with that sentiment after TFA, initially designed to be a torch-passing movie, turned into "hey guys, it's HAN SOLO~!" instead when JJ and Kasdan took over the script from Arndt. Who knows. Also apparently at some point Luke looks for someone in an alien casino. Which also isn't mentioned anywhere in that synopsis. He also lives in a hut that looks like a honeycomb. There are pictures of this honeycomb hut and I swear to God it looks like something out of Willow.
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Comstar posted:Also the music right now to me is completely unmemorable. Did they get the same guy whom does the MARVEL music to do it? Michael Giacchino had four and a half weeks to write the score for this since he was a last-minute replacement for Alexandre Desplat, who was originally scoring the film and had become unavailable to alter/write new cues due to the reshoots creating a scheduling conflict. Giacchino had like maybe a week between wrapping on his Doctor Strange score and doing this one. So the beige wallpaper feel of the score could be chalked up to Disney's sudden case of cold feet on whatever the original Edwards version of the movie was. No time to properly write/integrate themes and build a score alongside the directors and editors and sound designers.
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Spielberg just jettisoned himself as far from Disney as possible to go back to his old haunts on the Universal lot, lol if you think Star Wars without his best friend involved is ever going to get him to go near that studio with a twenty-foot pole ever again. Disney might be the absolute worst any studio has ever treated him.
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thrawn527 posted:What's the beef between Spielberg and Disney? He was shopping Dreamworks to studios for partnerships - since Dreamworks today is a weird thing that’s between a vanity shingle for Spielberg and an actual, full studio itself - and Disney managed to convince him to sign a deal with them on the idea that they would make Touchstone and Dreamworks highly interconnected, revitalizing their old “grown up movies” brand under the supervision of the second most successful director in history. And hey, Spielberg appreciates cinema history like few others, and the idea of having Walt Disney Pictures present a Steven Spielberg Film was enticing as well. So they make the deal. Disney never really commits to it. They basically shove Spielberg aside as they push the recently-acquired Marvel and then buy Lucasfilm. The Touchstone thing never really takes off, as Disney just undersells things like War Horse and Lincoln and doesn’t even want to drop very much on the budgets themselves. Spielberg ends up having to bring other studios in just to get stuff going - Fox jumps on this and we get Lincoln and Bridge of Spies from it. By the time The BFG is being made, the relationship is pretty rotten, and I can imagine that Disney promoting The BFG as Disney’s The BFG instead of Steven Spielberg’s was the “gently caress this, I’m out” moment for him. He was promised the world and got treated like a run of the mill hack. So his old home for like twenty years - Universal - reaches out to him, points out the Amblin offices are in as good a shape as they’ve always been, and he’s always welcome to hunker down there again. And Spielberg jumps at the chance to end his career in the place where he began it, sneaking onto the lot using a hat and an empty briefcase to trick the security guard at the gate one summer, long ago. But first, Warners was 100% ready to go on Ready Player One, and Village Roadshow had the money on hand to co-produce, so he made a stopover with what could be considered the “cousin’s house” of his career (as most of the Amblin productions he didn’t direct himself were WB pictures), so here we are with what looks like him elevating a complete poo poo book to something that’ll be between “a lot of fun” to “how did he make it actually good, I can’t believe it”. And then maybe he’ll do Indy 5, which is likely as much loyalty to the character and Harrison as anything else. But Spielberg attaches himself to a lot of things that never pan out (Robopocalypse was like 90% of the way to a green light and it just stalled and died and Bridge of Spies came into existence instead), and I can only imagine that Kat Kennedy is going to be running so much interference between the studio and production (if it makes it there) that she might as well get a producer’s credit on it. Which would be funny, because she rose up to head one of the foundational supports of the entire modern studio system (consider what Lucasfilm as a suite of smaller companies consists of), and like her fourth or fifth movie as the head of that company would put her back to what she did most of her career - keep the studio off Steven’s back so he can make the movie he wants to make. But Disney sure as hell isn’t going to want to stay back on something as big as a Star Wars mainline movie. And that would be the deal-breaker, I imagine.
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Half the fun of Hollywood is the stupid bullshit that happens because it’s still a business. Like getting a guy who has had some of the living legends of the town at his beck and call and being like “meh” with him because they bought things that came with ready-made toys to sell.
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Sep 6, 2017 16:37
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Yeah, but “I snuck onto the lot and found an empty office where I pretended I worked there for three months” is a much better “how I started” story than “I did boring poo poo on the lot for two summers before I went to college and eventually came back”. I mean, I’ll put it this way: when he dies and Universal basically turns the backlot tour into a biography of Steven’s life, they’re not gonna use the real story of how he got on the lot. Even they know the legend is much, much better.
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Sep 7, 2017 00:44
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Hundreds of directors are able to handle pre-production on mammoth productions while they're spending every few days doing some press stuff. It is almost a natural part of the process if you decide to go down the blockbuster route. Johnson probably wants to get something he's been working on off the ground and make that next, considering this is literally his first for-hire job (there was a time where he was trying to get commercial work - we're talking post Brothers Bloom - and nobody took to his reel). Now he can walk into any studio and go "I wanna do this" and they'll go "well you made a (probably) critically-acclaimed, gigantically successful Star Wars movie and we can use that in marketing to at least make back the costs, so here you go, have fun". Either that or he wants to maybe take a year off, get married to Karina Longworth, and go "I don't have to worry about making money, this is pretty sweet".
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Sep 23, 2017 16:12
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It's so they can keep it perpetual w/o audiences feeling like there's too much for them to have to digest ahead of time in order to understand whatever they want to sell. Once you're in the theater/bought the disc/rented the iTunes stream, you've parted with your money, and odds are against you getting back up for a refund because you see "EPISODE VIII" at the head of a scrolling bunch of words that you'll forget about ten minutes after they stopped scrolling.
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Oct 10, 2017 03:12
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If anything it's going to be "you and Ben are the literal balance of the Force, the first in a millennia or some poo poo" and so the two of them abandon the idea of fighting one another, which conveniently coincides with someone taking over the Resistance in a power vacuum caused by something happening with Leia that makes the Resistance, I dunno, Evil Space Communists or Slightly Different Fascists, causing all their buddies to go "gently caress this", leave their posts, and join up in a merry band of freedom fighters to take down both the Order and the Resistance with one of them (Finn) being left out of the loop on this, remaining on the wrong side, and now - oh no - Finn and Rey are on opposite sides but might be in love!
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Oct 10, 2017 16:16
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It does smack of Rian Johnson pulling a James Gunn, where his name and a slight stylish improvement over the established norm will mask the fact to a lot of people (many of which should know better) that he completely let the money men pick apart any aspect of the story that had a soul and is selling you an empty Happy Meal box of a movie with a smile. Although, considering immediately after Brothers Bloom the man was frantically trying to lock down commercials (no one bit, but that's how he ended up getting Breaking Bad), I'm not surprised. He's been doing the starving artist thing for going on a decade now with some reasonable salaries here and there. The promise of a few million dollars and maybe half a backend gross point to make what The Mouse wants out of something, and that something being this thing you grew up playing with and thinking about would be real tempting to anyone at that point. It's just sad when you know they can get weirder and wilder and better. None of this movie suggests it came from the mind of the guy who went "you know, I really like Witness, I'm gonna take my time travel cat and mouse story and make the back half of it a non-Amish Witness homage".
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[quote="“HUNDU THE BEAST GOD”" post="“477296647”"] I like Rian Johnson! People rightly point out that Suicide Squad (or to be relevant, Rogue One) got hosed with, but they showed promise from the very start. This looks like a baby born in jail. [/quote] It does feel like the first meetings they had involved someone from merchandising stating that several things had to be in the movie, zero pushback allowed on them because early moldings were already complete and mass production would need to start in six months - "Star Destroyers that look like this, we need a crystal fox and these little hamster things, we have this redesigned TIE fighter..." It's like the continuation of how Abrams couldn't get the delay he really wanted to May 2016 because Disney signed retailer deals that specified a November/December 2015 merch push the likes of which capitalism had maybe never seen (since 1999 anyway) that almost outright promised the movie would hit at the end of 2015 to peak out the sales potential for Christmas.
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Abrams only asked for one delay and he never got it - that first delay happened in 2014 and was entirely because of Harrison's leg. Disney didn't have much of a choice back then, since recuperation was eight weeks, which fucks up a whole lot of scheduling for post things like reshoots (since, say, you need to use Pinewood but eight weeks from your original planned date is smack dab in the middle of a Bond movie's production or a Harry Potter movie) and forced the greater shakeup, which could have been a year but, again, those retail deals was for a Star Wars movie to either be on video or in theaters for Christmas. So they went from May 2015 to December, and JJ/Kasdan spent those eight weeks doing polishes on the script and inserting scenes/beats for Rian Johnson, who had asked if certain things could be included as setup for Episode VIII so he wouldn't have to spend time introducing them in his movie. As things got towards the end of actual production JJ (and Kathleen Kennedy!) asked for them to push the release another five months (to May 4, 2016) so he could fine tune things and not be under the gun for the last half of 2015. JJ very much knew the movie wasn't going to turn out as tight as he wanted with the date he had to work under. Disney, of course, rejected this, because money, stock markets, and contractual obligations to retail partners. I mean, why would Abrams have to ask Disney if they could delay the movie when the marquee star breaks his leg. No one is going to say "whatever, just write Han Solo out of the movie" after the huge upfront payout Ford got to even be in the thing. It was also not much of a story because "can I get a delay on the release of this" "no" "well, okay" is an extremely common story in modern Hollywood. This one only stuck with me because when I watched the movie there was a very clear rushed feeling to a lot of it, which was a very new feeling to have watching a Star Wars movie. Edit: hell, I'm pretty sure the Episode IX delay is because JJ only agreed to save the day if he got some actual time to make the movie and wasn't rushing to another too-soon date since he didn't get it last time. The Cameo fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Oct 12, 2017 |
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thrawn527 posted:Yeah, that timeline isn't really working out. Ford's injury didn't push from May of 2015 to December 2015, because the December date was announced back in 2013, and Ford injured his leg in 2014. I'll be damned. I suppose JJ might have asked for a delay because of Ford's leg and got turned down then and I just separated out the two things (so I must have heard of them separately and just never linked the two). It's all three year old hearsay and whatnot. I do know that the delay didn't happen because Disney made promises to shareholders and partners based on Star Wars being out in the world before 2015 ended, since I was working for a retailer at the time and Disney was coordinating shipments back in like March of that year and sending signage to every possible establishment in June. Everything from the coordination on was "the full marketing push is going to be Christmas", which would line up pretty well with that release date being the unalterable plan. And given that the real reasoning behind buying Lucasfilm was the Star Wars merchandise empire that was worth much more than $4 billion, not really a surprise. Was it Rogue One that got pushed to December? Something Star Wars got their release date rejiggered around because of things, and it wasn't anything recent like the Young Solo movie blowup between talent and management. I swear something had a May release that got shuffled back to December. But maybe I'm blurring it with some DC movie or the absolute shitshow that is Universal's Dark Universe. Too many sagas and "universes" nowadays.
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I think he's referring to the fact that even the people posting spoilers seem to have forgotten she's in this movie. Which is usually a sign that a character isn't doing anything interesting or important and it's questionable why they're even in the movie in the first place
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Beeez posted:There were three years in between A New Hope and Empire that we didn't see, so the presumption that he just figured that out on his own isn't necessarily accurate. Besides, Rey does all that Luke does, plus uses the mind trick, has Anakin's laser sword calling out to her for some reason, and manages to beat the main villain of the trilogy within the first few days of ever having seen a laser sword. Plus everything that happens in this new movie, which takes place right after the previous one. I mean it was established in the previous film that the old crazy hermit was telepathically communicating with him and it's established in Empire that Ben literally is showing up as a ghost to tell him where to go to properly continue his training, it's essentially implied that Ben has maybe given him hints on how to use poo poo. Also Luke has to concentrate extremely hard to even pull that poo poo off, and this is after a whole movie where he culmination of his tapping into the Force is a last-ditch effort that wouldn't have been able to happen if he, yet again, did not get his rear end pulled off the fiery talons of certain death by someone else - in this case, Han swooping in and saving the day. In comparison, with zero training whatsoever, Rey pulls the same exact "move poo poo with my mind" bit that Luke does much faster, and more powerfully than someone who is clearly trained since it zooms right past the guy we assume is moving the hilt and into her hand. And then about two minutes later she closes her eyes and vaults right over Kylo's abilities as a lightsaber user. After what was probably just in-story hours earlier being able to counter his mind probing with her own. Perfectly. They did not even have the wherewithal to go "well, if we make her the Next Great Force User, what if she's so powerful at wielding it her lack of training makes it a huge liability and that she has to learn to lasso and tame her ability? Like what if she counter-probes Ren and once he flees the room, she breaks down because she's seen every little bit of pain and sadness he's ever felt in his life, exposing the reality of who Han is - a guy who wasn't ever really fit to raise a kid - and Leia being torn between being a leader and being a mother to the point where she isn't able to be there the moment Kylo falls to the dark side? What if along with the hilt, trees and earth itself is yanked from the ground? What if she goes up to the brink of killing her opponent in the lightsaber duel like Luke does in Jedi?" That first one has the added benefit of deepening the relationship between Rey and Han from "YER A LEGEND" and "I LIKE YER STYLE, KID" to something more substantial, allowing for the moment when Han steps out onto the catwalk to confront his son mean more to her - and us, by extension - because we are now, with zero ambiguity, seeing this as Han's last ditch attempt at redemption for failing his son. But she is just preternaturally skilled. And dramatically inert because they started her about three steps from the end of what would be her arc in the first movie. The entire character in TFA is dependent on Daisy Ridley being an extremely charming person. But her charisma can only carry the character so far before one bumps up against the edge of "but what's her inner journey here". In TFA it's a mystery box because gently caress if JJ ever wants to write a story with straightforward stakes that aren't "the world will end". It sounds like Rian at least came up with "thinks she can save someone, save everyone, but learns that some people, it turns out, don't want to be saved." Which is at least something that 1) hasn't been the explicit inner journey in a Star Wars movie yet, and 2) gives her more focus than "this droid needs to go to this place". I can really see why it seems like a lot of this movie is taking a bunch of the vague setups in the previous movie and burning them to the ground and installing actual changes in how things are in the story. Because that's what a story is supposed to do.
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drunkill posted:Luke can always be a force ghost. In all likelihood, with Carrie gone, this is what they're going to go to in lieu of her having her big moment in IX. Although Billy Dee Williams owns a phone, Disney. Feel free to dial his number anytime.
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Slowpoke! posted:Doesn't Han say in A New Hope that the ship has to make the calculations before it jumps to light speed so that it doesn't fly through a planet or a star? quote:[The Millenium Falcon is speeding away from Tatooine, being chased by Imperial cruisers]
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Han Solo trying to keep an officer from sending more troops down to the detention block by telling him "everything's fine, uh, just something screwed up" is nowhere close to a crank call. He isn't trying to be a smartass, he's trying to buy time and hopefully toss the Imperials off their trail for a few minutes. And fails horribly because as good a smuggler as he is, he is way out of his element in that situation.quote:[Han answers the intercom after comandeering an attack station]
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Cojawfee posted:Han was trying to stall and buy time so they can achieve their objective. I wasn't even talking about Poe, or even this new movie? I was just pointing out how disingenuous a claim that "well in the first movie Han did a crank call" was since it's, y'know, clearly not true. But feel free to reflexively defend this movie that I didn't bring up
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Dec 20, 2017 20:27
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This trikogy of Star Wars is so afraid of sex who the gently caress knows if Finn wants to get all up in Rey or not That he literally "went to sleep" thinking of her (and also "THIS BURNS") and woke up thinking of her and was 100% willing to sit in an escape pod for god knows how long to get to her suggests yes, though.
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Jan 5, 2018 00:37
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I believe this is a good illustration of the concept of "Moebian pre-sexuality", i.e. SMG's theory of Sonic the Hedgehog and friends not loving. It also makes this trilogy seem extra awkward because the sexual dynamics in both the original and the prequels are basically the moving force for the entire narrative. This movie keeps waffling between whether it wants to engage in that or not, eventually falls on the side of "naaaaah".
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Watto can't use an elevator on Saturday so he makes Annie and Shmi carry him around in on a litter. This is true, Rey/Finn/Poe are somehow even more shallowly drawn than the Lucas archetypal Hero With A Thousand Faces characters, which might be more of a signature of the trends in media that these movies are being made in - exceedingly static cypher characters are what's hot, slates with the only things filling them saying "likes ____, hates ______, wishes they were like _____". They feel expressly designed to be like familiar sitcom characters, where you can read who they are within a few scenes, come back two movies later, and they're just like you remember them.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Did Finn and the character they added to sell more tickets in China kiss? Can't remember. Casting a Vietnamese woman to sell more tickets in China sounds like the most White Executive Hollywood Decision Ever.
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bushisms.txt posted:Please point to better acted more nuanced scenes than anything where Daisy and Driver share the screen. The throne room shot where Snoke is cut in half to the sword flying to Daisy is the best shot in the series. Sorry you didn't enjoy the movie. https://youtu.be/QMk0-pZfx5Q https://youtu.be/lhX5V-wICuw I mean, really, the lightsaber going to Rey isn't even a great shot within the movie itself, let alone the entire series.
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I have trouble believing Mr. Kathleen Kennedy isn't going to carry the exact water his wife tells him to carry, given her position in Hollywood. Like, the joke here is that if it was Frank Marshall saying "well Spielberg picked him specifically and that made him bulletproof", my only reaction is "but you're literally one of like ten people in Hollywood - along with Kathleen, George, and his film school buddies - who could walk up to Steven and give him a no bullshit reason that maybe you're having trouble with this guy". It smacks of a total hatchet job, and a barely believable one at that (why elect to remain a producer on Book of Henry if he was already a handful on Jurassic World? Step back, let him be someone else's problem, especially if you know - and he had to know - that the script was absolute poo poo and with no brand to carry it, it was going to sink like cement shoes).
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euphronius posted:No the opposite It was because the second time he did it, the DGA went after Kershner. He willingly paid the fine on the first Star Wars and stayed in the union; but when he let his former professor direct Empire, George took it extremely personally when the guild tried to punish him (also because they were charging Kershner a larger fine as though he had been responsible for the original breach of union rules). That is what made George go "y'know what? gently caress this" and leave the union. I think by the time Jedi came out the DGA had already reviewed the rules and struck the fine because other directors wanted to do similar things to Star Wars and lobbied for a change, but only in the case that a static credit roll be included at the end of the picture instead (which SAG and the WGA and PGA jumped on board with), leading to the current state of things where sometimes the movie's actual title doesn't show up until the end credits. I don't think a massive issue came up again since until 2005 when Robert Rodriguez quit the guild because they wouldn't give Frank Miller a co-director credit on Sin City.
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