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Jul 12, 2004

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ShredsYouSay posted:

Wait so Star Marine is in 2.6? Clearly this means Toast is right and Star Citizen will be out in q4 next year*.

Yes, CIG obviously kept their commitment to releasing 2.6 with Star Marine this year, even if you forget about 3.0 and count "released" as put a test release out to the smallest and most faithful set of backers they have.*

They had to decide between releasing something crap which is going to cause drama, or not releasing it which would cause drama.

*I suspect Star Marine isn't in 2.6 as the only way to gently caress those two choices up is to invent a new dumb option of fooling the idiots into thinking you had released it.

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I'm part of an exclusive internet cabal that's totally devoted to shitposting.

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Star Marine gameplay, spoiler warning.

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ManofManyAliases posted:

The patch notes are tailored to different people involved in the evocati. There are minuscule changes in the text, copy and content designed to lead to those who leak the notes. Same goes for evocati test builds.

:gary:

At this point I'm convinced that Citizens will believe loving anything.

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ManofManyAliases posted:

I mean, other companies have done this for pre-alpha and alpha testing.

A system to mess with patch notes to product a unique sample for each tester for tracing purposes would actually be more complicated to put together than their current patcher which just downloads a new version of everything.

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Star Marine screenshot, spoiler warning.

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StarMarine is technically in this thread

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Jul 12, 2004

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D_Shart posted:

AVs are earned on SA only idiots and losers buy their own.

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Jul 12, 2004

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https://twitter.com/wtfosaurus/status/804067989033099264

Exclusive Star Marine footage, probably.

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Jul 12, 2004

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ManofManyAliases posted:

-100s of bugs in the evocati 2.6 were corrected and tested (regression)
-I'm estimating a new build will go out tonight into tomorrow morning to evocati

Excellent, hope they fixed the Star Marine unable to launch bug.

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Jul 12, 2004

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ManofManyAliases posted:

See, I told you SM was there.

Releasing Star Marine would be hilarious, I appreciate that you feel it's showing progress and CIG finally delivering parts of the promised game. However, judging by 2.0 all it's really going to do is expose more of how flawed the whole project is and provide months worth of entertainment via the bug tracker.

But more importantly the illusion of progress has to be maintained running up to the important December sale period.

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D_Shart posted:

How is it an illusion? Releasing Star Marine is tangible progress in any sense of the word. You people make 0 sense.

Sorry to break this to you but aren't crazy enough to be believable, I fear posting your balls was your high watermark.

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Jul 12, 2004

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:smuggo: Moma is best Moma.

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This is interesting because the UI is different to that shown on the livestream, it's also not sourced from the offline cheat due to the extra 2 Citizens seen but the UI is the same.

So either:-

A. Multiplayer Star Marine is in the Evocati release and it's just showing that.
Or
B. Someone at CIG made a video of multiplayer Star Marine and a gif was created that would deceive people.

I wonder which it is.

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Jul 12, 2004

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ManofManyAliases posted:

BTW Derek - the updated evocati build is pretty, drat good. You know this right? From your access? You know about the fixes and the ship that is now flyable? The new pirate swarm? The bar/lounge that is now open in GrimHex? DAY ONE FIXES.

edit: toodles

Hey Moma just so you know, your posting has been hilarious recently, I dunno if you can keep this up but please try.

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ManofManyAliases posted:

BTW Derek - the updated evocati build is pretty, drat good. You know this right? From your access? You know about the fixes and the ship that is now flyable? The new pirate swarm? The bar/lounge that is now open in GrimHex? DAY ONE FIXES.

edit: toodles

A group of us had been out for a friend’s birthday and went back to his house in east London to watch the sunrise. There wasn’t much room to sit on the terrace, and the chimney looked like a good spot. I thought it would be dangerous to have my back to the chimney, so I sat on the rim with my legs dangling inside. In hindsight, that was my first mistake.

I was about to climb out when I slipped down. The flue curved, so at first I was able to stop myself. I managed to get my hands free and wave them about a bit over the top of the chimney. Everyone saw them and said, “Look at Leo, he’s so theatrical and amusing.” I’m quite a proud man, and I didn’t want to admit I was stuck in the chimney and spoil the party. But there’s only so long you can maintain a weird hand puppet show. The others got bored and didn’t notice when I slipped again, about seven feet, down to the bottom of the flue, one floor down.

I was worried, but not panicked – I just thought, “I’ve been rather silly here.” I started to shout: “Hello! Help! I’m in the chimney.” That carried on for about two hours. But nobody heard me, and eventually I could hear them all leave the party. That was a depressing moment. Then I tried to get to my phone, which was at my feet, contorting my legs and hands and trying to manoeuvre it up my body, but I kept dropping it.

The chimney was almost exactly as wide as me, and very sooty, so it was hard to get any purchase. That went on for about three hours. Thank goodness my phone still had battery. If it wasn’t for that, I’d probably still be there.

Eventually I got my phone up and called 999. “Ambulance, fire brigade or police?” they asked. “I’m stuck in a chimney,” I replied, and they repeated the question with more urgency. “I don’t know, I’ve never been here before,” I said, then decided on fire brigade.

“I’m stuck in a chimney,” I said when I got through. “You’re what?” “I’m stuck in a chimney.” “Where?” At this point I realised that I didn’t actually know where I was. I called my friend Max to ask for the address. “Why do you want that? Are you going back?” he asked. “I’m still there.” “Really? I haven’t seen you for hours!” “Yes, I’m in the chimney.”

The fire brigade took about 45 minutes to come. The first fireman on the roof declared that nobody could be down there because it was too narrow, and I was shouting “I am, honestly. Come on.” He threw down a rope and dragged me out, which is when most of my injuries occurred – the chimney was quite narrow, and my back scraped along it. I had also taken off my shoes, jeans and jacket as I tried to free myself, so I was only wearing my underwear and a shirt covered in soot. The firemen asked if they could pose for some pictures, because they had never seen anything like it. I obliged. I had been down there nearly seven hours.

I never really despaired, but I did have moments when I thought, “Leo, what are you doing with your life? Is this where you want to be?” I also felt a bit guilty: people don’t pay their taxes so firemen can pull people out of chimneys. But I was relieved to feel the sunlight on my face. Max came to pick me up and cracked the first joke: “Well, you’re lucky you didn’t catch the flue.”

After that, someone posted a picture of Dick Van Dyke on my Facebook wall. Then a shot emerged of my hands sticking out of the chimney, and people Photoshopped them into various pictures: Super Mario plumbing pipes, the poster for the movie 127 Hours, Battersea Power Station. Finally, a video clip emerged of me being escorted out of the building looking like a Victorian urchin.

I’m glad my friends’ response was to make light of the situation. It would have been awkward if they’d been morbid. I’ll never look at a chimney in the same way again.

As told to Ed Cumming.

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Jul 12, 2004

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Either Star Marine is enabled for multiplayer to Evocati or it's not.

The only evidence so far that it is, is the GIF from a new reddit account, it seems odd that both Derek and TheAgent say it's not when it would be trivial for a hardcore Citizen, or CIG to prove them wrong.

If it's not enabled for multiplayer then where did the GIF come from? The video the GIF was based on must have come from CIG, even someone hacking the files for offline can't show other players.

Let's all take firm positions one way or the other on this, I bet multiplayer Star Marine isn't enabled as that's funny.

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Jul 12, 2004

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D_Smart posted:

It's a GIF made from a series of individual Photoshopped images. If they were serious, they would have posted a video instead.

And CIG's own silence on the matter, is the only answer you need as to whether or not SM is already enabled for play in 2.6

I don't think it's faked, the attention to detail and CIG production standards is too good.

Just look at the guy clipping through the stairs on the right, that's the kind of minor detail most people would leave out.

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D_Smart posted:

By all accounts, that GIF is constructed from images extracted from one of the live stream videos. That's why parts of it look nothing like the video Parias released.

The UI is the livestream is way different.

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Jul 12, 2004

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TheLastRoboKy posted:

This makes MoMA flipping out so much weirder and dumber. Which is an achievement, because it was already weird to do and super loving dumb.

I figure moma had a meltdown because he figured out his secret source was good for maybe 2 hours warning of something about to happen and in the end he figured out he's been lied to again. He also bought an Idris and Javelin over the sale weekend, so must be loving pissed with himself for being conned yet again. His secret source at CIG is probably in QA and laughing at what a gullible idiot he is.

I might be wrong, but I bet I'm close to the truth.

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D_Smart posted:

This is all pointless anyway, SM isn't enabled in 2.6 for gameplay. That's basically the long and short of it. It's a fine hill to die on, and I'm already at the top and have no intentions of changing my stance on this.

I disagree, I think you thought the 20k coffee machine was a minor thing and buried it in the middle of a blog.

This shows intent, if Star Marine multiplayer isn't enabled, if CIG produced the source video for the GIF internally then how did it leak as part of a deception to let idiots like moma think that multiplayer Star Marine was enabled? Who benefits most if Citizens think there's more progress happening than there is, with a sale coming up in December?

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Jul 12, 2004

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D_Smart posted:

So if you compare the UI in the GIF to Parias' video, which do you think is the current (hint: that would be the latter).

The UI in the bottom right changes depending what armour you have on, so they are very close.

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Jul 12, 2004

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D_Smart posted:

I am not entirely sure how the coffee machine plays into this.

I think sometimes you are understandably focused on the technical aspects of the mess that is Star Citizen, that you miss the importance of simple things that resonate wrongness more to the less technically minded.

The 20k coffee pot and sliding space doors are things anyone can easily and immediately understand as being wrong. While I still can't get my head round your comments on all the 64 bit large world stuff. I think that's why people make a lot more references to the simple wrong stuff when talking about Star Citizen.

I'm just saying I want you to be proved right or wrong beyond all doubt about multiplayer Star Marine being enabled and I strongly suspect you are correct on it.

D_Smart posted:

At this point, all we can do is wait and see what comes next. Until then, my stance will remain unchanged. And I'm going to say it again - for the record - the 2.6 build that myself and others have had access to DOES NOT HAVE STAR MARINE ENABLED FOR PLAY.


Very clear thanks, I'll await moma's response.

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Jul 12, 2004

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D1E posted:

Likely that a Greenie demerit point will be assessed for publicly disagreeing with your Warlord.

Are you sure you want to do this?

Do what? I'm posting the same as I always do.

I'm starting to suspect you figure there's a grand conspiracy that has excluded you. Let me stop you wondering, there totally is.

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Jul 12, 2004

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thatguy posted:

Not to play the puppet master card for D1E but I think his main goal is to just get a bunch of people to quote him so Derek putting him on ignore is futile. Judging by the past few pages it seems to be working splendidly.

I don't mind, he's funny.

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Jul 12, 2004

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iron buns posted:

I'm the black rectangle at top right covering the ATV logo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rcWkqliP6A&t=1453s

The Logo bit :gary:

UI seems to match.... Not found the right stair bit, but this looks like the answer.

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Lladre posted:

No.

It's some chat or scoreboard stuff.
You can see at the very end some of the letters peep past the black box.


The gameplay shown isn't in Around the Verse, and yes there's a chat box up there or something, but to me it's now more possible this is extra footage filmed for Around the Verse as the UI seems to match better than the offline Star Marine. Which given the choices are Derek/TheAgent are wrong or CIG or some hardcore Citizen faked it, and the logo definitely has been shown on Around the Verse...

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ManofManyAliases posted:

You don't have evocati, otherwise you'd be playing SM right now.

Who at CIG is lying to you, or are you lying to us?

They showed Star Marine on a LAN during the live stream, reminder December 2013 they showed Arena Commander on a LAN it wasn't until August that backers got it.

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TheAgent posted:

I told ya, I got 2 people or so saying they can't play and other people saying they are pew pewin right now

I don't know what to believe anymore

:gary:

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Jul 12, 2004

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ManofManyAliases posted:

Put yourself in my shoes belt: Why would I answer this? Even jokingly?

Ok, how come you spent something like $12k on Star Citizen and you didn't get an evocati invite?

They should sell the invites with the Idris, Javelin etc, this is a money making idea I fear they missed.

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Lladre posted:

My apologies I thought you meant the upper right box was to block out the around the verse logo.

Well I dunno, this most open development and transparent thing is all very confusing considering the NDA and absolute refusal to comment on basic stuff like "what's in the new patch being tested guys?"

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What screen do you launch Star Marine from? I'm talking to a guy on reddit that says he's in evocati, has fully patched and he can't find it anywhere.

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Jul 12, 2004

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ManofManyAliases posted:

You launch it from "Electronic Access" screen on the main menu.

But, you won't be able to launch it right now since evocatis are about to get build 2.6b. Main servers are down until new build is pushed.

Can you check if the multiplayer Star Marine still works with build 2.6b when it comes up before I try explaining this to him?

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ManofManyAliases posted:

the "reports" are going to help. Hence the next build going out soon.

"There's a StarMarine logo on the same screen - "Arena Commander" logo but clicking it doesn't do anything"

That mean anything to you?

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Jul 12, 2004

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thatguy posted:

I didn't read Derek's novella (as usual) so can someone point out exactly what claims he's toxxing over?

Derek says he has access to the evocati build as do others and multiplayer Star Marine ain't in it.

Moma says his source says it is and won't toxx. Moma also says he's been invited to evocati but hasn't signed the NDA and so can't check himself.

Derek mentioned if he posts proof not only would that be bad as a game developer as it's breaching NDA but would potentially leave him up the creek legally.

Personally I believe Derek and think Moma is either being lied to or getting Derek wound up enough to break the NDA was the plan all along, but obviously people will make their own minds up.

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Wuxi posted:

The best thing about this epic slapfight is that it doesn't matter one bit, because you'd have to drown in kool aid before seeing SM as anything but a giant turd
And its sooo much worse than the Ilfonic demo they showed like 20 months ago anyway. Yay for progress

Yes, it doesn't matter as far as the module goes, but it's all been a bit weird. If the GIF was faked then the intention behind it is odd, why bother considering evocati stuff leaks anyway after a few days?

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Sunswipe posted:

It's in if you REALLY believe in Chris Roberts. You do believe, don't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zcgi-iX9UY

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