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Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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This thread is off to an amaaaaaaaaaaazing start, and I hope the next 782 pages are as gold from Swagger now that Dear Leader has finally been deposed and the dirty laundry starts airing. :munch:

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Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Whoa guys, whoa, I've just had a crazy drunk idea:

What if we made it mandatory that parties fully dissolve after two consecutive campaigns, that party names are banned from reuse for twenty years, and all parties are handed equal funding from a federally controlled "trust fund".

:derp:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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If you drink the disgusting piss swill known as "beer", you deserve what you get in life anyways (a fat gut and an empty wallet). Straight Vodka or a finely aged Mead like a respectable adult. :chord:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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I'm cross-posting this from the debt bubble thread, because it's too gold to not do so:

Guys, guys guys guys (girls?)

This is loving HILARIOUS:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2112350/ghost-town-of-bradian-b-c-back-on-the-market/Ghost town of Bradian, B.C. back on the market

But gently caress the whole article, this is the GOLD:

quote:

The China Zhong Ya Group Hebei Canada-China Co. bought the 20-hectare town for just under a million dollars last year, and Mills says they were planning on bringing more investors on board through the Provincial Nominee Program. The program allowed people to immigrate to B.C. if they invested enough money in a business and could create jobs.

quote:

“Part of the setup was we’re going to rebuild the town into the heritage condition. You would bring a person to run a motel, build houses, a convenience store, a bunch of specialty shops…and all of those people could invest and get the eventual profits.”

But the province put a hold on new applications in March because of an excess of applicants, and have since changed the qualifications. Mills says he’s now looking for a new group interested in restoring the site and turning it into a destination.

They bought a ghost town in the middle of loving nowhere to try and import rich immigrants from China en-masse via a token "investment" in the business. Holy. loving. poo poo.

How is this a bit piece on fuckin' global and not a front page scandal in the G&M. It's the most outrageous thing I've seen them try so far.

:psyduck: :psypop: :psyboom:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Excess of applicants for the foreign investor visa, otherwise known as "buying Canadian citizenship". These guys were planning to turn a ghost town into a passport-mill by abusing that system.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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jm20 posted:

Is this the first you heard of that program? It's existed for quite a while, and only recently had it's citizenship cost increased.

:cripes:

Holy gently caress are you guys, like, totally retarded, illiterate, or a combination of both?

Of course I know about the loving program, it is the context of this failed scheme which is outrageous.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Since we're on the subject of patriotic stupidity, it appears that Canadians have finally surpassed their southern neighbors when it comes to being delusional about their country:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/02/move-over-america-canada-is-the-land-of-the-free/

quote:

According to a new report from the Legatum Institute, a think tank based in London, 94 percent of Canadians believe they have the freedom to live their lives as they choose, while roughly 92 percent believe the country is a good place for immigrants. Canada, the report found, is the freest country in the entire world. It’s also the most tolerant of immigrants.


We're the freest, best country on earth by virtue of having the most ignorant population! Wheeee! :chord:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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flakeloaf posted:

If you quote him, you kind of defeat the point of an ignore list.

Not everyone wants their dying comedy forum to be a complete echo chamber.

I say, to the five people in here who haven't put me on that list.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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PT6A posted:

I don't see why elected representatives shouldn't get parental leave. The replacement should be decided by a temporary by-election, instead of by the party or the MLA, but apart from that I don't have a problem with MLAs getting parental leave. It should be everyone's right.

With most legislatures sitting for less than three weeks in the entire year anyways, what's the big loving deal? They just sit there collecting taxpayer cash and doing jack-poo poo for the bulk of their term, maybe listening to some worthless NIMBYs who wander in.

There's no need to replace them in a by-election, just let them go suckle their kid for a couple of months christ.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Pinterest Mom posted:

Are we in a downturn that I missed?

How much is 0.5% of GDP in infrastructure spending going to boost GDP?

What rock have you been under? :psyduck:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Drunk Canuck posted:

You know what, right now is a good time to bring back the NEP.

I'm actually curious if this could work full-bore, because of the whole "rah rah provincial freedumbs" way that Canada is structured? It's weird, compared to the whole "states rights" bullshit down south we appear to be basically set up as semi-autonomous nations that report back to a governing body.

Can that governing body just nationalize an entire industry, in every province, in a short enough time frame to prevent the industry from sabotaging its own operations? Because if they tried it and it got tied up for two years in a provincial-federal court battle clusterfuck, that's more than enough time for the corporations involved to implode things and leave.

Historically it seems that it's very easy for the feds to download cost burdens onto the provinces by slashing federal programs and washing their hands of things, but very hard to force any new programs down provincial throats which result in cash flowing into federal control for redistribution.

Rime fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Nov 6, 2015

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Pinterest Mom posted:

Strong Q3 y-o-y GDP growth, great jobs report this morning.

Sorry about your province I guess.

quote:

Statscan says the country churned out 44,400 new positions last month, easily topping estimates from economists who were anticipating a much more modest bump of 10,000. That headline number sounds like a big beat – and it is – but much of the strength is temporary, thanks to the one-time hiring event that was the Oct. 19 federal election.

quote:

Public administration jobs soared last month by 32,000, a not-at-all surprising development given the need to hire armies of poll workers.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2322974/5-things-to-know-about-canadas-job-numbers-right-now/

And, as always, little information on how much of this growth was part time vs. full time. Don't regurgitate hollow bullshit without the numbers to back it up, pls k thx. The economy continues to circle the drain, the Loonie is trading at the lowest in over a decade, and a federal rate hike could crater us in the next quarter.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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People are retards.

Lac-Megantic was the first major oil & gas freight accident in like a decade, if not longer. Most derailments are minor, rupture a car or two at most, and thus just aren't newsworthy as that cleanup takes a matter of days.

On the other hand, the amount of Oil & Gas lost to pipeline ruptures since 2000 alone could fuel North America for a number of years and cumulatively classifies as one of the worst natural disasters in human history.

People. Are. Retards.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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bunnyofdoom posted:

Who ever bought me this av, thank you so much. It rocks!

I'm not gonna lie, I saw that mic drop shrug and became 100% more hopeful for the future.

Canada has been in a meme recession for so long, our global meme marketshare is really looking to improve with J-boy in da hause.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Dreylad posted:

Also, Canadian labour wasn't persecuted during the anti-communist sweep of the 1950s like they were in America, for a variety of reasons (some unions made a point of executing public purges of any perceived radicals in order to prove their loyalty to the state), which gave them a bit more leeway in their political actions. Later they pretty effectively used Canadian nationalism to generate public outrage, which in turn encouraged the state to get involved in negotiations with American businesses and prevent job losses in Canada while American industry rusted out (as Steven High argues in Industrial Sunset).

Industrial Sunset is fantastic. I highly suggest The Wolf Finally Came for a great (if a bit biased feeling) look at the fall of unionization within the US Steel industry as capacity in Asia rapidly outstripped it.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Hey guys, remember when the RCMP tried to turn two mentally ill junkies into deadly terrorists?

Mounties may be guilty of knowingly facilitating a terrorist act, says judge

quote:

There is evidence the RCMP broke the law while conducting a high-profile terrorism sting and must hand over confidential legal documents, says a B.C. Supreme Court judge.

Justice Catherine Bruce has not yet ruled whether the RCMP entrapped John Nuttall and Amanda Korody into plotting to blow up the B.C. legislature in 2013, but she said in a ruling released Wednesday that the Mounties may be guilty of knowingly facilitating a terrorist act.

"In my view, the defence have raised at least a prima facie case that the RCMP officers involved in Project Souvenir were engaged in unlawful acts during the undercover operation," wrote Bruce, referring to the operation by its code name.

"There is a sufficiently close link between the illegal acts committed by the RCMP and the prosecution of the accused to support an abuse of process claim."

Nuttall and Korody were found guilty earlier this year of planning to detonate homemade pressure-cooker explosives on the grounds of the provincial legislature during Canada Day celebrations two years ago.

Their lawyers are asking the court for a stay of proceedings for reasons of entrapment, arguing the RCMP manipulated the pair into carrying out the bomb plot, which they say would never have happened without extensive help from the police.

Over the course of the investigation, undercover officers posing as jihadi warriors gave Nuttall and Korody groceries, cigarettes, bus passes, cell phones, phone cards, clothing, cash and a portable hard drive.

They also provided the pair with a place to work on their terrorist scheme and a location to build the explosives, chauffeured them to various stores to purchase bomb-making equipment and transported them to and from Victoria and around the Lower Mainland over the course of the four-month sting operation.


Bruce's ruling ordered the police to disclose confidential legal advice they received about running the undercover affair, but added that she would vet the documents before releasing them to defence.

Communication with a lawyer is normally protected under solicitor-client privilege, but Bruce said the Mounties waived that right by willingly disclosing a portion of that information in court.

"These disclosures were not only contained in officers' notes, but were included in the minutes of the briefing meetings held by the command team and the undercover (operators). These meetings were attending by the highest ranking officers involved in Project Souvenir," wrote Bruce.

"They provided key insight into the state of mind of all the officers involved in the undercover operation."

The ruling revealed that lawyers had advised the RCMP on numerous occasions, including recommending officers "drive target but don't shop" when purchasing materials to build the explosives.

While finding that the police acted illegally may not be enough to warrant an acquittal, evidence that the police ignored legal advice relates to "the seriousness of their misconduct" and is relevant to whether a stay of proceedings should be ordered, wrote Bruce in her ruling.

Whether the Mounties followed the legal advice matters because it may show the officers acted in bad faith, she said.

Bruce noted that the Crown had not objected to some legal advice being disclosed before the court, so ruled that to allow prosecutors to rely selectively on otherwise-confidential legal opinions would "give the Crown an unfair advantage."

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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>Thread gets more fired up about dumb college kids being dumb, than the federal police force fabricating terrorist attacks.

:suicide:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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bunnyofdoom posted:

Also when it was first posted yesterday we did get upset. But that would involve you reading the thread

It's the same fifteen people circle-jerking daily, as is the debt thread. I just come in here to drop bombs and leave, now, and much like the allies I don't care if this is the second run over ruins.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Eh, I went back 4 pages and didn't see anything other than the usual.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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PT6A posted:

Why? Of course they should be sold at the same place, and that place should be every corner store and grocery, because we're adults who can make our own choices about what to consume.

It's a horrible, horrible idea to mix consumption for starters.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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My first thought was "Some retard teenagers / redneck bigot really hosed up this time. Alberni, what a shithole, why am I not surprised."

So don't worry, you're not turning into me. :downs:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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The whole refugee situation is a joke. It costs $30,000 USD to smuggle a person from Turkey to Canada, and if they can get Mr. Kurd & his family past immigration services then you can bet your rear end that a bunch of dedicated stone-cold terrorists bent on wreaking havoc will have little issue getting in here. But why would they bother doing so, when it's both infinitely easier and infinitely higher-profile to bomb their way through Europe? The border checkpoints between the EU and the eastern bloc / caucasus are laughable, the Ukraine is a loving sieve that you could slip an army through.

Anyone who thinks a single refugee is likely to be a terrorist, is a bigot with an inflated opinion of Canada's global importance and an unwillingness to admit that our "terror" problems are home grown.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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PT6A posted:

The refugees that Canada will be accepting and resettling are not being smuggled here, you complete halfwit. You're falling for the same nonsense that anti-refugee people are, you're just reaching a different conclusion.

EDIT: Full marks on managing to slip a Caucasus reference in, though.

Reading comprehension, bro. I am saying that there is little point in anyone tearing hair out over immigration through managed channels, when it's not prohibitive to bypass those systems in the slightest. And, again, there'd be little point for terrorists to bother with Canada in that regard since it's so very much easier to do that in Europe.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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My bad, I thought it wasn't that obtuse. :shrug:

On a totally different note, has anyone noticed that the employment metrics in this country are a joke now? That's great that I can see the number of employed people, EI claimants, etc in a given field. Except the data is from 2012, which might as well be the 1990's as far as it is applicable four years later.

Rime fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Nov 23, 2015

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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vyelkin posted:

The NDP's aversion to raising personal income tax rates is mystifying to me, and I think it ties into their confused status as a party. The NDP are nominally a social democratic party, in that they theoretically want to put in place a socioeconomic system reminiscent of the Nordic social democratic states or the vision of society presented by parties like Germany's SDP or Bernie Sanders's democratic socialism. In the world today, we have examples of highly successful social democratic states, in the form of the Nordic countries. In fact, when social democrats like myself actually have any evidence for why we want to enact policies like national childcare or free university tuition (rather than just a feeling that such a policy would be a moral good, or theoretical thinking about how such a policy would work), it's usually based on policies that have been successfully enacted in countries like Sweden that have empirically worked and worked better than the alternatives.

In the Nordic states, the taxation system is to have (relatively) low corporate tax rates and (relatively) high personal income tax rates (compared to other European countries). There are a few reasons why this is beneficial: first of all, the outside-investor effect: corporations don't give a poo poo how much individuals get taxed. When deciding where to invest their money, some CEO whose income is recorded in a tax haven somewhere does not care about personal income tax when they are deciding which country to establish their new branch in, since they themselves are not paying any income tax there, but their corporation may be liable for the corporate taxes. What they care about is the corporate taxation scheme in that place. So having low corporate taxes attracts outside investment regardless of your personal taxation scheme. However, once that outside investment has established itself, all the money it pays in salaries to its staff are then taxed at a heavy rate. The end result is that corporations operate in Nordic countries because they have low tax rates, but the people they employ (who have nowhere near as much financial mobility as the corporation) pay high tax rates to support the large state. Second, people are much worse at evading tax than corporations. You can safely assume very few major corporations are actually going to pay their full tax rate, whereas outside the extremely wealthy individuals generally do. Less tax avoidance means higher tax revenue which means more money to be spent on social democratic programs and policies.

The NDP then have this backwards, seemingly (to me at least) because they care more about the optics of their proposals than they do about their actual effects. The optics of the Nordic taxation system seem backwards to people who don't know how the system works: "They're taking money out of my pocket but letting the corporations get rich" etc. But it works better than our system. And, seemingly, either the NDP doesn't recognize that their tax policies are the inverse of successful social democracies, or they're more concerned about seeming like they're taxing corporations while giving the *~middle class~* a tax break than they are about proposing effective policies.

Why can't they just spend their advertising budget making exactly this explanation into a hip goddamn infomercial and blast it every commercial break through an election cycle. The problem with Canada isn't the politicians being weak, it's most of the electorate being ignorant as gently caress.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Brannock posted:


What does all this have to do with Canada? As climate change is threatening to turn a good chunk of the American South and other similar climate and latitudinal zones into unlivable heat zones, Canada and other northern areas are going to become much more livable and also will need to take up more of the burden of providing food for the human population. Farming and the health of the land are going to be important to Canada's future and global position. I'd like to see farming stay mostly in the hands of actual people (even as much as that's declined the past century) who can pay close and careful attention to their terroir instead of huge corporations who will brute force the soil until it's exhausted and vanishes in dust storms. The attitude that farmers and other rural people should just give up, pack up, and move to a honeycomb hole in the megacity, let the corporations and Technology take care of it is not conductive to what I'd like to see happen this century.

This is not at all true, actually. Climate change will have dramatic effects on the Canadian grain belt, straining aquifers in the region, and will result in seasons of unpredictable length and harshness in other agricultural areas. Both will act to reduce Canadas contribution to the global foodchain, though by how much remains to be seen.

The idea that we'll be farming anything significant in the NWT or Yukon, without significant facilities investment, is a common yet depressingly ignorant understanding of both the fragility of crops and how climate change will impact our future.

jsoh posted:

cool alberta ohs thing: i was working in bc and i told someone there about how in alberta scaffolds must be inspected by a qualified person once every 21 days and they did a spit take because in bc its every single day

Weird, my carpenter friend worked in Calgary for a year and said it was the opposite. Constantly adhering to safety codes that nobody in BC gives a poo poo about, and aghast at the slack way work sites are run out here.

Rime fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Nov 29, 2015

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Northwest passage for shipping is real and will happen. You couldn't take a rotting fiberglass Albin Vega through it 25 years ago and expect to live, like Rutherford did a few years ago, and the US is greatly expanding terminal capacity at their Arctic oil sites in anticipation.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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The Butcher posted:


I suspect the anti-muslim backlash is probably going to trail off in Canada without the CPC actively encouraging it. Get back to our Canadian roots of only being vocally racist towards natives and keep the other racism in hushed tones around the dinner table.

I suspect the CPC hold on power conveniently paralled the rise of the Internet (and mutation of broadcast news) as a never-ending firehose of bigotry and bigot-reinforcement, and we will see no measurable changes to citizen psychology. Our governments stance matters less than what Joe Dick in Assdick, Alberta watches on his syndicated American CNN broadcast, or reads on stormfront tonight, while slamming brewskies.

The decline of discourse thanks to perceived digital anonymity is likely permanent, at least for current generations.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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I disagree. Previously, bigots were relatively isolated as you say. By giving bigots anonymous outlets everywhere, they've readily discovered that there are in fact many others who share their bigoted attitudes. By allowing them this common ground, we now see things like the understanding that the comments on news articles are universally bad and not worth reading.

The Internet didn't spring this up out of nowhere, it's been a slow burn over the past decade that has been seeping more and more into public life. Because bad habits, like expressing bigoted as gently caress attitudes, don't stay exclusively online in the long term unless you are a sociopath. For most people, once they've subconsciously accepted the expression of such beliefs as acceptable, will lose the ability to filter it offline as well.

I cannot expand at any greater length right now, as my break is up here.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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^ Quite accurate.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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:ughh:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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There's a lot of people, of all ages, who still aren't able to understand that Russia is a gang-run failing/failed state with nuclear weapons and no economy, but rather think this is still the 1950's and the full might of the USSR is just lying dormant in Siberia. :shrug:

I blame the US for building up the mythos of Russia during the cold war, frankly. In the popular consciousness they are no longer a contemporary country but romanticized in a similar way as, say, Rome or Nazi Germany.

Rime fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Dec 1, 2015

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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cougar cub posted:

As someone with CI on ignore it would be great if people would stop quoting him or responding to his idiotic posts.

Lowtax should axe the ignore function entirely, gently caress your carebear hug bubble. :boom:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Into the bowels of some monolithic corporation where they can be grossly underpaid and never see the light of day again.

Uvic comp sci grads get much cooler jobs.

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Scaramouche posted:

You guys are going to need to step up your shitposting game with CI on the sidelines for a week. Melian, I'm going to need you to take the morning shift. Ikantski you're on spot duty, and someone see if they can get hold of HAL to get him out of retirement.

I'm offended. :colbert:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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PT6A posted:

This sounds like it could go very, very wrong indeed.

EDIT: Honestly, it seems like a frightening number of people all across the political spectrum feel that dictatorship would be cool and good, if only the dictator followed their own personal ideology. You people scare me.

I find it funny that people honestly believe a dictatorship would significantly differ from what democracy has declined to. :v:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Ikantski posted:

They sure did but I can't even call them bandits. They did what global corporations are supposed to do, saw a profitable opportunity and took it. I know it's only a few hundred million and it's from 2004 but the one that still gets me the most was the Mike Crawley, lifelong Liberal party guy getting a $500m sole source wind contract in 2004.

And yet people still think Canada is a bastion free from corruption. :allears:

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Christy Clark says B.C. children's ministry to only get more funding if economy grows


Your daily reminder that the premier of BC is a rancid old oval office leading a pack of hyenas. MCFD has been frozen for fifteen loving years.

Announced a $100m corporate welfare package earlier in the week. :fuckoff:

Rime fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Dec 11, 2015

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Professor Shark posted:

Your "Guy at the party who goes out of his way to be offended" thing is annoying, so I guess you're succeeding at whatever you're trying to do I guess

Don't worry, it's just them being ironic.

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Rime
Nov 2, 2011

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Ikantski posted:

[Laura] Miller, now executive director of the British Columbia Liberal Party, has also not commented, but B.C. Premier Christy Clark vouched for her Monday.

“She is a person of absolutely sterling character, and she works incredibly hard for our party and our province,” Clark told reporters in Ottawa. “She is a person of the utmost integrity and we’re really, really lucky to have her in B.C. . . . of course, you know, she is not the target of this investigation.”

I can't post about what I wish some brave citizen would do the BC Liberal party, because the bleeding hearts in here will get me probated again. :tipshat:

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