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Nintendo Kid posted:Failed project is an interesting way to describe an industry that's "only" pulling a few billions of dollars a year. Many companies are losing money right now due to the price drop. Anadarko recently took a net $2.2 billion hit this past quarter alone, down from ~$1 billion net profit same quarter last year. Not a great time to be spending resources on oil pipes rather than natural gas terminals and export infrastructure. edit: beaten Amergin fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Nov 6, 2015 |
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hobbesmaster posted:If the withdrawal of subsidies was due to Obamacare it was because the insurance was so lovely that it did not qualify as insurance under Obamacare. Expelling racist students is laissez faire? Furthermore how exactly do you get "ahead" of the situation?
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Nov 9, 2015 18:28
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hobbesmaster posted:Only expelling students when theres media attention is. Do we have evidence of cases where the racist student's identity was known and yet nothing was done? hobbesmaster posted:Well you could start with having a "this is racism, don't be racist" message along with the "this is rape, don't rape people" messages everywhere. You mean like a mandatory training for incoming students and faculty for diversity awareness?
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Nov 9, 2015 18:35
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BUBBA GAY DUDLEY posted:I think systemic discrimination is a valid complain at a place that's so racist that people are literally making GBS threads swastikas. Can we fire the POTUS for all the swastikas etched in bathroom stalls across the country? Someone must be held accountable, damnit! This country is not a safe space!
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Nov 9, 2015 18:41
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pathetic little tramp posted:It is fair to argue that we can go too far and to the point where we sacrifice freedom of expression in the name of 'safe spaces'. Mizzou isn't so much an example of that, there's been a lot of racist incidents recently and the university's response has been poo poo. If you want an example where the safe spaces are more poorly thought out, you can look at what's happening at Yale where Yale students are demanding the resignation of an associate master because she sent an e-mail decrying the Dean of Students' e-mail about racist halloween costumes as too overbroad and stifling of free expression. To be fair I think all of the demands given by the Mizzou 1950 organization are valid (and your comparison to Yale is spot on in terms of "this is how to do it" versus "this is how not to do it") and the president should step down - not because he's racist (although his right wing bootstraps/opportunity talking point was hilariously inept) or because of his "white privilege" but because he and his PR team are loving idiots. However to include in the list of demands that he "acknowledge his white privilege" and "acknowledge that systematic oppression exists" is just laughable. Kick him out, encourage more diversity on campus and on the staff and that will all do more to bolster your message than some silly goddamn useless BLM rhetoric at the outset.
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Nov 9, 2015 18:49
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evilweasel posted:Given that he was quoted as denying systematic oppression exists and claiming it's all just a silly thing in their head, it's reasonable to include that. It's a pernicious lie that shouldn't be acceptable for someone in a position of power to make. It sounds strange because it should go without saying: but apparently here, it didn't. To quote from earlier: quote:Some of those students were present at UMKC to meet with Wolfe. In the video, students asked him a question. At first, he responded by telling them “I will give you an answer, and I’m sure it will be a wrong answer.” He did not deny that systematic oppression exists, he simply thinks that the reason systematic oppression still exists is because no matter how many opportunities and legs-up you give to minorities, a large number of them still have the thinking that they are oppressed and are out of reach of those opportunities. That gets into a whole host of issues from income inequality and poverty to the disintegration of the black family, none of which is anything a university president has any authority or power to influence. Now if they think systematic oppression exists on the Mizzou campus, I haven't heard any evidence of such other than lovely pranks and drive-by racial epithets. EDIT: AGAIN, this was a stupid loving answer to a softball question, but you don't change this guy's mind and thinking by demanding that he admit "you're right" as you're kicking him out of office.
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Nov 9, 2015 18:59
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euphronius posted:The university president has authority over student behavior and is responsible for seeing that students civil rights are protected. Which civil rights have been violated, here?
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Nov 9, 2015 19:15
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Veskit posted:I genuinely have no idea how you're defending this behavior. You don't need to apply your racist views onto a school because you're the president. If this was off campus there might be a debate, but this is just deplorable. Because he's not "applying his racist views onto the school," they're punishing racist students when they can (as in, when they know who the student was) and they're implementing mandatory diversity training. People are making Mizzou's faculty sound like the Ferguson PD here. The man has said some stupid poo poo but I haven't seen evidence of a system of racism in the school's administration. If not requiring 10% of the students and faculty be black is racist then everything in this country is racist. stinkles1112 posted:This is actually my fundamental problem with so-called safe spaces; the people with the lovely awful opinions don't need a safe space to express themselves, they just loving do it, all over the place and all the time. Waiting for an appropriately "safe" space to be set up before you feel that you can even start having the conversation is hopeless and self-defeating. This sound applicable to gun-free zones.
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Nov 9, 2015 19:47
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Veskit posted:Not acting to curb racism and racist acts is implicitly applying racist views on the school, ala hostile work environment. You can't let poo poo happen and get away with it. That's not how it works. I keep saying they expel students for racism and are implementing a mandatory diversity training class so where are you getting that they're "letting poo poo happen and get away with it"?
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Nov 9, 2015 20:08
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Veskit posted:Semantics aside why would "systematic oppression exists" be a wrong answer when a black person to his face asks what is systematic oppression? So do you want a president who panders or a president who gives his own honest answer?
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Nov 10, 2015 00:32
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blackguy32 posted:I agree with you in that, that kind of environment cab be suffocating. I know many goons think "safe spaces " are silly but it seriously sucks when people do all kinds of racist poo poo and it's excused with free speech. It may suck but it's still free speech.
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Nov 10, 2015 01:55
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Rygar201 posted:Burning this cross is just one of many of our venerated Observances and Rituals. Also free speech.
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Nov 10, 2015 02:06
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HP Artsandcrafts posted:If you can prove it the intent was to intimidate or threaten then it's not protected speech. Very true! Rygar201 posted:^^Tons of white dudes on the Internet think all speech is protected, forever, everywhere, from everyone. The cops, DAs, forums moderators, whomever. Not just white dudes! And unfortunately for you, most speech on the Internet is hard to prove as having the intent to intimidate or threaten. Plus, y'know, the sheer vast amount of it there is on the Internet.
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Nov 10, 2015 02:17
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JT Jag posted:The right of free speech doesn't exist on private property Nobody said whose yard the cross would be on.
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Nov 10, 2015 17:03
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zoux posted:Did there end up being anything to those rumors of the KKK or racially motivated attacks on the MU campus last night. Not at all. At this point it's still a bunch of people crying about drive-by epithets and poo art. Honestly the assault on the student journalist by the protesters is worse than any "racist" incidents that have occurred on campus this year but... it's against minorities so if you question it you're a racist scumbag. SJW at work.
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Nov 11, 2015 20:04
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DeusExMachinima posted:Ironically the student journo was himself a minority and most of the people shoving him were white. And the white woman said they needed "some muscle" to deal with him. BUT NOT RACIST AT ALL because SJW.  EDIT: Also LOL at the apologists in this thread just shrugging their shoulders and grasping at straws to defend the protesters here. "Well yeah you know sometimes kids with these causes can get a little rambunctious dontcha know!" and "Well the media is just as bad as paparazzi anyway except when the GOP complains about the media then they're just being whiny babbies" and "Why are you trying to make a big stink about this anyway hmmm because the protesters were against racism hmm maybe you're racist for wanting to cover the protest HMMM?" Come the gently caress on people. Amergin fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Nov 11, 2015 |
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Nov 11, 2015 20:07
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socialsecurity posted:Yes but they apologized and said they realized what they did was wrong like the next day, which is pretty much what they wanted from the administration of the school. But I'm sure you are just ignoring that to troll. What did the president need to apologize for? Not cleaning the poo up with his own hands?
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Nov 11, 2015 20:10
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Oracle posted:Taken seriously absolutely. That doesn't mean throw the guy in prison where he learns that being a white supremacist is the only thing protecting his rear end against daily beatdowns by the minorities he's already biased against, thus hardening his resolve with ample evidence to support it and like-minded individuals to reinforce it and also likely teach him more violent ways to express it. To be fair, most of the people who are calling for this kid's head or this kid to be thrown in prison for a THREAT would also agree to the sentiment that we throw too many people in prison and that our prison system usually acts as an incubator for crime and criminals, rather than as a teaching mechanism. These same people would also probably agree that many of the innocent muslims and non-muslims we threw into Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and other prisons were likely innocent before they went in, but were turned into jihadists by the time they came out. HOWEVER this 19 year old white kid who made death threats to MINORITIES oh yeah THROW THE BOOK AT HIM! (Justice porn is only justified if I like it)
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Nov 11, 2015 21:06
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mdemone posted:How about we probate the poo poo out of him and give him a huge dose of targeted community service? Community service would actually probably be really beneficial for him. Force him to work side-by-side with the minorities he hates and eventually he'll likely humanize them rather than consider them monsters trying to take away his home and way of life (likely thoughts developed while being brought up by racists). I mean if we can't blame a poor black person for being poor and instead look to his upbringing and situation, why are we bloodthirsty for a racist kid who is likely equally a product of his upbringing and situation? That's my point.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:loving Garret County. I'm dreading the meeting between my wife and the family in St Mary's who mostly think China (as a whole, I guess) is trying to take us over, kill Jesus and replace him with Mao. Seriously, southern MD was always more openly racist/ignorant than folks in SC unless you went really into the backwoods, in my experience.
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Nov 12, 2015 18:16
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Gecnan posted:Maybe after they get out but being racist active duty is a quick way to not be active duty anymore. You have to depend on everyone and shorting somewhere what their due positive or negative gets noticed quick. To be fair, plenty of people are able to separate their thinking such that they can simultaneously believe "Black people in general are lazy because black culture promotes laziness/thuggery" and "Sgt. Johnson? Oh no he's one of the good ones, he worked his rear end off to escape the cycle of black poverty unlike those other blacks."
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Nov 12, 2015 18:32
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Shageletic posted:Yeah, when's the last time you heard a black person stating that black people were superior and actually being convincing? That's because our entire society stands on the conception of the inferiority of african americans, and its baked in from birth. Kids know it, and adults know it too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8UTj8lQJhY "Black people can't be racist" is the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard and that is essentially what you're saying.
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Nov 13, 2015 02:03
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Peven Stan posted:Hey look! Another conservative using asian people as a cudgel. Nothing like dragging out a wealthy second generation foreign Chinese student with her head in the clouds as a victim of black savagery. So you're saying because she's a wealthy person, she can't know oppression? Now where does that sound familiar...
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Nov 13, 2015 02:21
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PUGGERNAUT posted:I think you're arguing institutional racism vs. plain ol racism. It's hard to draw the line because the terminology is so blurred. Basically yes, anyone can be racist, but if you're a member of the majority (race/gender/what-have-you) then you can do a lot more damage to the people you're racist against, if that makes sense? Yes, that's what I'm arguing. Actually what I'm arguing is with these SJW people the Asian woman in the video could have said "Black people can be bigots too!" and nobody would give her any respect for it because the movement is run by brats who want to scream and cry. EDIT: But the point is if you're discussing institutional/systemic racism but using the term "racism" and someone comes into your "safe space" to say their peace and you disrespect them like this, you should include discussions about bigotry in general and try to make your cause more inclusive rather than exclusively whining about how tough black people have it.
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Nov 13, 2015 02:27
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Hulk Krogan posted:This just in: minorities and oppressed people can do lovely things too, and it doesn't invalidate the legitimate issues they face or critiques about how society at large treats them. BUT! the folks who are trying to convince society to fix those legitimate issues are doing themselves a disservice by doing lovely things and not listening to any critique themselves. Again, how do you have a successful civil rights movement that is not inclusive?
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Nov 13, 2015 02:56
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Hulk Krogan posted:I don't dispute any of this, but digging up incidents of black people being lovely to other minorities and using that to dispute the entire idea that anti-black racism is more severe, widespread, and impactful than anti-white racism is obtuse in the extreme. I'm not saying anti-black racism isn't more severe than anti-white racism. What I'm saying is "anti-black racism is bad" is not the same as "ALL racism is bad" and to have a successful civil rights movement that doesn't devolve into "us versus them" it's more beneficial to go the Martin Luther King route than the Black Panthers route. Rhesus Pieces posted:More from that article: I thought Rubio was the new establishment candidate?
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DemeaninDemon posted:Amergin where did you go? Are you OK? Been busy, thanks for asking though. Hope your ungodly work hours don't last.  Edit: Crain posted:He actually hangs out in the football funhouse most of his time. Truth - no time to play in USPol with football/fantasy season going. Content: quote:Retired Florida police officer W. Ken Katsaris is the third expert who has concluded that patrolman Timothy Loehmann was justified in shooting Tamir Rice outside a Cleveland recreation center Nov. 22, 2014. Amergin fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:Minneapolis has the country's population of Somalian refugees and Certain People have been mad about that for decades. Because that group is vulnerable to and has responded to recruitment by ISIS and other groups.
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Nov 16, 2015 19:57
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whitey delenda est posted:This speaks pretty clearly to how unrealistic "zero tolerance" approaches are. 0.0003% of the population can have such an outsized influence on peoples' perception (because thousands of newspaper stories or Fox News pieces about how the vast, sweeping majority is succeeding in their new lives and integrating flawlessly with a multicultural society doesn't sell ad time) through such minimal effort that basically the problem becomes intractable. Ugh. I agree, the small minority of gun owners who use those guns for ill have such an outsized influence on peoples' perceptions of the average gun owner.
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Nov 16, 2015 23:05
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its the Jews fleeing from Germany/Europe. all over again. Except the Jews didn't want to strap vests onto themselves and kill civilians in their new homes.
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Nov 16, 2015 23:25
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a shameful boehner posted:Pretty good, hits on all of the main campaign planks. After Obama, I'm amazed anyone has any faith in liberal promises made during campaigns.
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Nov 21, 2015 00:48
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KomradeX posted:Anyone else seeing conservatives bitch about PC GONE MAD! Cause someone got a yoga studio closed because it's racist? There's something that reeks of bullshit about it since evert Tiber one if these stories comes up there's airways an actual reason it happened but conservative media ignores it in favor of their narrative According to one of the original articles in the Ottawa Sun, it sounds like the Student Federation wanted to close it as they considered it appropriation, likely due to the focus on the physical and mindful aspects of it and not the historical or spiritual aspects. The teacher tried pitching renaming the class to "mindful stretching" but the French translation wasn't a good fit...? So they put it on hiatus while they debate further. Basically if you don't delve into all aspects and cultural connotations and context, it's appropriation. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Nov 24, 2015 18:12
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VitalSigns posted:Was that stupidity though? I don't think you graduate with honors from Harvard Law without being able to figure out things like Senate procedure if you really need to. Many liberals mistake politicians' political abilities for stupidity. It's not stupidity if you're pandering to an angry base with strong voting turnout. EDIT: Quorum posted:I'm not sure I see how this article, while unfortunately revealing one of the problems with race relations in America, refutes my point? It's actually more evidence that white people generally object to racism, they just identify it more strongly with stuff that doesn't happen as much anymore (lynchings, water hoses, slavery, officially refusing the franchise). Also, some white people believe racism against white people is a more serious problem, which makes them pretty wrong and also obstacles to progress in this regard. It's monolithic if <80% of white people agree with black people. Now we could argue black people are a monolithic entity who don't vote and hate homosexuals, but this is a hate-whitey circlejerk afterall.
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Nov 24, 2015 18:15
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KomradeX posted:Okay so this happened in Canada so of course this is the fault of American liberals? That's what gets to me is that they use things that dint even happen in America to tar Americans fighting for social justice because they're all sad they can't get away with being racist anymore. 1) Canada might as well be the US in this context. There is not a vast difference between Canadian and American higher education. 2) Most conservatives who are making hay out of the issue of "PC gone mad" and "safe spaces ruin free speech" don't mention this being an American problem, specifically. They mention it being a problem in universities and a problem with youth, not necessarily American youth. If you read Canadian conservative news outlets they'll probably be making the same hay.
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Out of left field: Does anyone know a way to get information on a company (such as executive compensation, number of employees, other seemingly basic things) if the company has made use of the "safe harbor" SEC rule 506? EDIT: D&D is probably not the place for this question but you're good people.
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Jagchosis posted:Work for their accounting department. Or the IRS and audit them. Sue them in a relevant manner and conduct discovery. Ask them. The whole point of the safe harbors is so they don't have to do detailed financial disclosures and some of that information you want isn't even required to be disclosed. Executive compensation (ratio of executive compensation to median employee salary) won't be required until 2017 because the previous rule got struck down. Alternatively if they solicit your investment and you are not a millionaire they would have to disclose the general information expected in a prospectus which often includes number of personnel. Thanks Jag - I wanted to do some digging on that exact thing (ratio to median salary) along with general compensation to try and argue that an oil and gas pipeline company with ~22% profit margins that just increased monthly revenue on ONE of our pipes by ~$10 million (which, according to the CEO, should pay for itself in about half a year) shouldn't need to almost double the cost of the high deductible health insurance plan offered (making the price delta between that and low deductible negligible). Along with changing the coffee to a cheaper brand. ... Along with changing the toilet paper to a cheaper brand. ... Along with no longer providing boxes of Kleenex and paper towels. I tried to take a look at our SEC filings but the main company with any info available apparently doesn't actually employ anyone, and the CEO's compensation for THAT company is only $500,000 (with ~$1.2 million in bonuses). That can't be right for a guy with a private jet and multiple houses (including a large one in Breckenridge) but maybe I'm overestimating those costs.  One fun side project dead in the crib.
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