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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Missionary Positron posted:

juuh elikkäs toivottavasti Suomella ja Ruotsilla on varasuunnitelma puolustusyhteistön nopeasta tiivistämisestä koska rip in peace jenkkioptio

What's wrong with our traditional approach to russia, i.e. groveling at their feet?

Andrast fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Nov 9, 2016

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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Hob_Gadling posted:

paskepuhetta, ei kyllä ole ollut tätä enää pitkään aikaan

ja sitten vasemmisto ihmettelee miksi heitä ei äänestetä

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Rexroom posted:

I don't know why anyone votes for the Greens, since they seem hell-bent on gutting parks into eco housing blocks for suburban drinkers of mini-brewery beers. They don't seem to share my vision of green politics.

Not that it matters, really. They're so ineffective they might as well be the majority party and still have ten nuclear plants built during their term.

It's not like the other parties are really any better

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Hey guyz do u remember when left-wingers told us there are no sharia courts in Yurop, there will be no sharia courts in Yurop, talk of possible sharia courts is baseless fear mongering (by racists) islamophobes who talk about "islamization" (lol, because they are phobists and stupid and white) and even if there were some sort of informal Sharia courts in, say, Britain, that would be ok and perfectly in line with other similar practices and that would pose no problem for anyone or anything so there, no, let's talk about ur racism instead.

I'm pretty sure most people who said there would be no sharia courts in Europe were talking about actual courts, not optional arbitration.

Anyway, religious courts (islamic or otherwise) are a terrible idea and shouldn't be a thing even if they are optional (especially since it often isn't really optional).

Andrast fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Nov 16, 2016

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Sipilä's reaction is fairly understandable to me (still dumb though) but how did anyone at YLE think it was a good idea to act on his stupid tantrum?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010



lol if anyone thinks Sipilä is going to resign over this

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


doverhog posted:

As a rule, the one who goes to ad hominems first generally loses.

:jerkbag:

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Rich get richer, poor get poorer but perhaps maybe not really, actually in here :(

Good

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I for one am extremely outraged that our right wing foreign minister of a right wing government went to an event hosted by a right wing government

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


throw to first drat IT posted:

As much as I approve pissing off everyone in- and outside the country, Niinistö currently seems only one in our government with a clue and I don't know if Haavisto can replace him.

The president doesn't do anything though

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

There's very little causal evidence that living in a "bad" neighbourhood (or being poor) makes you riot, burn cars and attack the police.

Also Finland has many concentrations of students (generally poor) in one area, pensioners who live below the poverty line, or even whole rural towns from which the factories and mills have vanished with high unemployment and very little for the future to offer. Yet, no riots and molotov ambushes against the police.

It's pretty disingenuous to compare poor young people who feel like the system has failed them and see no future for themselves to students and loving pensioners.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

List of far-right politicians that burn cars and stone the police:

Some persu kunnallispolitiikko has probably set a car on fire and punched a police while drunk at some point

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

You can pretty safely assume just about every party has a kunnallispoliitikko who has punched someone when drunk, or resisted the police, has been found drunk driving, or perhaps jemmaamassa risuja metsään.

Definitely.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Bullet point / ranskalainen viiva:

    - Your post did not feel like you support full socialism/communism right now, that was wrong with it. The massive success of countries like Venezuela supports the fact we need socialism instead of your neoclassical visual arts.

I also think that the free market is perfect and will always result in the best outcome for everybody

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

No, you are an andrast and a D&D poster (ie. mostly left wing to the core) who thinks everything is black and white, 100% or 0%.

Socialism has a terrible track record as gub'mint policy, and it devastates everything it touches in that regard. There is not a single success in recorded history. Communism or socialism have never worked anywhere. Is capitalism and free markets the besterest? Well probably not, many faults here, but that and liberal democracy still have a far better track record than anything else we have.

Also I can imagine some posters going batshit right now and starting to type "holy poo poo holy poo poo hitler omg he said socialism isn't teh best omg wtf..." If you are one of those posters, please post a list of socialist national ventures that have been a success.

Bullet points will, yep, do quite nicely, like vuohi said while discussing something else altogether.

Nobody has advocated full socialism/communism in this discussion.

I just responded to your garbage post where you did your normal shtick of bitching about leftists in D&D with a garbage post of my own.


HerraS posted:

kiva tietää näin kolmelta aamuyöstä

Tää on selkeästi paras tapa viettää aikaa ennen kuin lähden kuudeksi töihin

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

What is it with the many D&D posters who have to either start or end a post by making a long list of attempted insults at the person they are replying to? It's just weird to me. What do they get out of it?

:ironicat:

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Hmmm.

I presume you make no difference between saying "your political views are not similar to mine, and I presume you think like so and so" or "I think the better solution would be X not Y" with "you are an idiot and a strawmanner and a hitlernatsi and I hope u die" but there actually is a difference.

Having different views and cursing and hurling (personal) abuse are ~not the same thing~

Like half of your posts are strawmans about the icky leftists and dishonest arguments

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

What sort of strawmen, again, give me an example so maybe I can explain? I think there might be some misunderstanding involved.

As for icky leftists, this IS a left wing (sub)forum (not by any rule, but the vast majority of the posters support the left and a large portion furiously oppose the right) so no wonder it comes up that I don't often agree with their views.

But I really, really do not start or end my posts or replies here by listing various mental defiencies I feel other posters have or by calling them idiots etcetera as a rule, if ever, the occasional "gently caress off" in reply to insults notwithstanding.

Your first post on this page, for example.

Also, it's not the fact that you disagree with people that is the problem. You constantly launch into tirades about the vihervassarit, scandipol, immigrants or whatever, often completely out of the blue. Then, when people disagree with your sweeping statements or straw man arguments about the subject in question, you get this massive persecution complex about how the mean leftists are calling you a hitlernazi.

Contrast this with Geriatric Pirate who doesn't do that and (usually) gets much better replies. I think GP's opinions are often horrendous and I don't think I've ever agreed with him on anything but his posting is fine. Sure he also gets called an idiot, hitlernazi or whatever but he doesn't lose his poo poo about it. Everybody gets called mean things here. Honestly though, if you can't handle being called an idiot these forums are probably not the best place for you.

Andrast fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Mar 22, 2017

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

You mean the Venezuale post? It's not a strawman over here that people want socialism/communism to cure the ills of the world, and socialism/communism has usually brought only ruin when in effect. You can of course argue whether people are really into fullblown socialism or not but in general socialism/communism gets pretty good reviews over here. Am I just crazy? Try it yourself. Suggest capitalism (or classical liberalism) is awesome and see what kind of response you get. Have a go

It was truly a brilliant rebuttal to all of the people who advocated for full communism in this discussion, my bad. Addressing your posts to the communist hive mind of the forums or whatever instead of the people who are currently posting is pretty dumb.

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We're posting in a vihervassarifoorumi. It's not out of the blue.

I'm pretty sure that posting about, for example, how scandipol was mean to you is out of the blue.

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This is the weirdest thing ever for me. I don't really care if people call me a hitlernazi, I'm just pointing out it's stupid as gently caress to call posters with different views a hitlernazi even if they want and support liberal democracy and thus forth.

When have I lost my poo poo and attacked another poster for calling me a hitlernazi? Think about it for a while. If I was really, really sensitive about what people call me would I post here at all? Nope.

Look at my rap sheet? Mods need to probate me for having different opinions with other posters quite frequently these days. Or for posting "poor latvia" jokes (what the hell?). A hint: it's not ME who is reporting my posts or who feels offended. That should give you a hint about who is actually freaked about different opinions and who isn't, and who is hurt by opposing views and who is not. I have to my recollection not reported anyone during the past 15+ years of posting here for having a different view (or for any other reason).

If I was so touchy as you think about what people post, say or write, I would not post here at all, or then I would be machinegunning reports about wrong views. Which I never do.

If you don't care about it, why do you constantly whine about it?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Why are you whining about me?

Every time you reply to something, you are whining.

Sure, let's both stop posting

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

That was sarcasm like you prolly figured out, but yeah basically that's what it comes to when you claim every post someone makes about something is "whining".

Something I have never really seen in any other forum oddly enough. The tactic of debating in which you call everything someone says "whining" isn't a very strong one.

His Divine Shadow made the proclamation above that rich people are not afraid of dying anymore so they made society worse for His Divine Shadow. Anyone could simply reply hahaha ur whining about rich people again because he keeps coming up with rich people. Awesome!!!1

...

Cerebral Bore posted:

People call you a whiner because you have a victim complex bigger than Timo Soini's rear end and are unable to shut up about it, hth.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Should I know who that is or am I supposed to care about some random guy bitching on twitter?

Andrast fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Mar 29, 2017

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


DarkCrawler posted:

In article which cited literal death threats, night-time phone calls, virulent racist statements/threats online under someone's own name and menacing confrontations on the street, did you really think I was referring to someone vandalizing a poster? I don't think you did so in that case that is just weak.

Also I don't think the other side is big on drawing swastikas or going after Greens but I thought that would be self-evident.

Soini has gotten multiple death threats in the past and other persus have been threatened too

Andrast fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Apr 5, 2017

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Good god SDP is a pathetic party

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


throw to first drat IT posted:

SDP is retarded and poo poo tho.

I hope this at least is something everybody in this thread can agree on

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Jos ne äänestää Halla-ahoakin niin miksei saman tien Liguriakin

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Geriatric Pirate posted:

Sorry, I forgot that by goon standards anyone to the right of Stalin is right wing

Sorry, I forgot that by insane right-winger standards anyone who doesn't want to stomp poor people into the dirt is hard-left

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Mielestäsi irakilaiset eivät siis ole tehneet ikäviä kepposia?

On hauskaa, kuinka tässä langassa useampi kuin yksi postaajaa pillittää persuista joka sivulla sen perusteella, että joku persu on tuomittu rikoksesta tai kirjoittanut SoMessa ikävästi.

Yhyyy, persut ovat pahoittaneet mieleni. Persut ovat pahoja, katsokaa tätä kuvakaappausta jonka löysin imgurista!

Tsk tsk, ei saisi yleistää koko porukkaa kun ei ne kaikki, vai miten se meni.

Ethnic background is a bit different than political affiliation.


That said, people do often generalize persut a bit too much. Most persus are just lovely conservatives instead of the far-right menace or whatever.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I got an exemption for armeija because of medical reasons and I'm very glad I did.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Jerry Cotton posted:

So is everyone else.

Everybody wins

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


"Sorry, you won't be accepted as a refugee in Finland because Iraqi men are overrepresented in rape statistics" doesn't seem like a very reasonable thing

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

No it does not, and nobody I know personally would think like this exactly. Neither do I.

Could have fooled me with your incessant posting about the horrible muslim hordes ravaging europe.


Oh right, you wouldn't accept them as refugees because the refugees are all actually ~economic immigrants~

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Niinkö tein, missähän?

Most of the threads you post in

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

No esimerkki?

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3750450&userid=12910


Europolissa olis varmaan kyllä enemmän sun juttuja tästä aiheesta.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Juu varmasti on siitä, että en pidä nykyisestä maahanmuuttamallista ollenkaan, mutta että "muslim hordes ravaging Europe" on ihan pikkuisen hyperbooli.

Oot kirjaimellisesti käyttäny termiä muslim horde kun puhuit pakolaisista europolissa (tai jossain sen aikaisemmassa versiossa). Se jäi mieleen.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Fun fact: D&D:ssä lienee paljonkin postaajia joiden mielestä olisi ollut kivaa elää DDR:ssä :d:D:d:D

Oli tuo DDR-hösäys silti paljon parempi europol-mielipide ku se missä joku piti feudalismia nykykapitalismia parempana

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I don't think this will affect Halla-aho at all.

It's also not very surprising that a lovely person would turn out to be lovely in other ways too.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


No mitä sää nyt haluat sitten tehdä asialle?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Voisi aloittaa sillä, että myönnetään muuallakin kuin ligurien ja halla-ahojen keskuudessa ongelman olemassaolo, ja ettei voida loputtomiin jankata "ei mitään tekemistä islamin kanssa" koska sillä on, tai "no tää nyt on vaan normaalia", koska ei tämä ollut normaalia 10 tai 20 vuotta sitten.

Se olisi hyvä alku.

Eli toisin sanoen sulla ei ole mitään ehdotuksia

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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Ymmärrän pointin sikäli, että juu länsimaat aseistavat hulluja Saudeja. Mikä on väärin. Se nyt ei vaan millään suoraan johda islamistiseen terroriin.

Väitätkö nyt oikeesti että et tiedä mitä kaikkea paskaa länsimaat on tehny lähi-idässä?

Valitettavasti nää isompien valtioiden köhnäykset nyt vaan vaikuttaa Suomeen.

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