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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Calling everything even slightly to the left socialism is probably just an american thing that has been imported here.

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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Ligur posted:

Not many years ago calling everything slightly left of Lenin was "right-wing" and any system that wasn't 100% communist to use a bit of an hyperbole, was harped as "not-real-socialsm" kinda like none of the left-wing parties in Europe are qualified to be real left-wingers by D&D poster idealists (and funny trolls like Jerry above).

Hmph. If you point to an European left-wing party, it's never really left-wing, if you point to a catastrophe like Venezuela, it's "not really socialsm" and "I would do it better" like the innostuneet nuoret sosialistit like to say, but if you point to a high tax welfare and market economy state like Denmark that suddenly becomes and example of socialist awesomeness - except when Danish left-wing posters talk about their (most happy on earth) country when it suddenly becomes a racist hellhole of neoliberal massacre death.

The goalposts move so fast I can never keep up :f5:

I mean, can you really call the equivalents of SDP left?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


"I HAVE to defend these nazis" -Ligur

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


HUMAN FISH posted:

Speaking of Kepu:


:lol:

Younger than I thought

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Rappaport posted:

Also, why do they even bother listing the ilon ja toivon liike as a separate entity from the other muut :prepop:

+0,1 the growth can't be stopped

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


It's the presidential elections so it doesn't matter anyway

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Rexroom posted:

True Finns and Blue Future are in a war of words again. Timo Soini is writing in his ploki that TF are going thru BF's member cards and kicking out any TF member who is found amongst the signers, calling such behavior "STASI-like". Indeed, there have been some movement from TF to BF, with some old guard moving out. Now that they've collected all the necessary member cards to register themselves as an actual party, we'll see how blue the future will be. Is there room for a racist-free populist-nationalist party?

lol

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Obfuscation posted:

I think we need to retroactively revoke independence from every single country if that's are that's the only acceptable way

They could also always have a civil war but I don't think anyone particularly wants that

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Party youth organizations are dumb, news at 11

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


If there is one thing people these days are lacking it's definitely fatty and salty food

Andrast fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Nov 25, 2017

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


GP jumping straight to "you don't work or pay taxes" this time

Usually it takes a few posts.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Adaptabullshit posted:

Finnish Universities are really reaching out for the big guns in the race to get people to graduate

Man I should have sat on my thesis for a couple of months

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Cerebral Bore posted:

I think he's busy going on podcasts.

GP goes on podcasts?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Anything that gets rid of Jungner can't be that bad

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Protesting garbage like aktiivimalli is like the whole purpose of unions so go for it I guess.

I don't really care if they have ulterior motives and are terrible in other ways.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


SulphagneSocialist posted:

What? Greens being the biggest party under Aalto is completely ridiculous. If I had to guess right now, SDP and Kok are going to be pretty close together but kepu will get enough seats that we end up with some sort of punamulta combination, unless SDP and Greens are suicidal enough to go into a coalition with Kokoomus. There won't be enough seats for a Kesk+Kok+PS coalition, though if there were, we'd definitely see Orpo and Sipilä eat every word they've said about Halla-aho.

Edit: Yeah, Aalto was clearly a mistake, but I don't know if any of the other candidates would've been much better, except maybe Ohisalo?

They definitely are

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Darkest Auer posted:

Mitä helvettiä te selitätte

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


https://www.hs.fi/politiikka/art-2000005647012.html

Well this should be funny at least

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


punk rebel ecks posted:

I mean, was it working at all? Like reducing poverty and upping social mobility.

It wasn’t even really tried

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Fated To Be Fat posted:

"I have mixed feelings about trump" -a guy with nazi band shirt

maybe Trump just isn't nazi enough for him

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


throw to first drat IT posted:

On other hand, they might be voting but don't feel 100% about it even if in practice they have locked it in or are embarrassed to admit that they are voting Blues. Also picking a party here is no guarantee that they will actually go and vote for them since it's far less effort to answer a question than actually do the vote thing.
Going by the memory, last elections SDP underperformed compared to gallups and Persut got bunch of surprise votes. Whatever this was people reflexively answering SDP and then voting for Persut or SDP voters being too disenfranchised to vote while the unsure voters picked the new, pure and untainted party, who knows. It's not like any of it is actually going to change anything.

Maybe the SDP voters died of old age between the gallup and the election

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Kehveli posted:

C:n paperit oli parasta I won't fight you.

:yeah:

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I don't see much of a reason to care if Finland was terrible in the past

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Nurge posted:

I'm hoping the greens split and the idiot citykannabispellet gently caress off to grow hemp and be angry about nuclear power somewhere and I might have someone sensible to vote for.

Greens loving off wouldn't affect the number of sensible people you can vote for at all

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Nurge posted:

Kokkelit ei todellakaan pääse mihinkään hallitukseen ensi kaudella. Se on lähinnä se pelko että keskusta vittuilee ittensä sisään niinkun aina.

SDP/Kok/Vihr tulossa

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Nurge posted:

Do these people actually exist?

Like I can understand rural liberals voting keskusta because they're dumb and blind and their daddy told them to back in 1975. How can any liberal ever vote Kokkerspanielit?

Why wouldn't a liberal vote for Kok?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Nurge posted:

Mainly because the idea of a party where the main goal is stuffing the pockets of big corporations isn't exactly the liberal ideal.

Liberals are right wingers

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Nurge posted:

That doesn't have anything to do with what I said though.

Liberals are FYGM right wingers, obviously they are going to vote for the FYGM right wing party

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Nurge posted:

I'll just direct you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism since this is kind of a worthless thing to argue about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Nurge posted:

So you're using a completely different definition than we were in the thread. I mean that's cool and all, but why are we arguing this again?

Well it's more that anyone describing themselves as a liberal is more than likely a Kok voting rear end in a top hat

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Nurge posted:

I guess we don't frequent the same circles. I've never heard anyone in Finland use the word liberal except in the older sense of the word.
If I'm wrong and sulphagnist was actually talking of neoliberalism then I guess I was wrong.

The only person I remember championing liberalism in Finland is Stubb and I can't think of a more neoliberal rear end in a top hat than Stubb.

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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Double Bill posted:

SIN 1%, lol

seems a bit too high

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