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You're the best, UP. This is a big problem, and I am one of the ones who wishes we didn't have it. If you don't mind me asking, what is the best we can hope for to come out of the summit in Paris? Obviously the worst case scenario is that nothing happens, but what is the best we can hope for? I undersrand you likely aren't a politician, but still... The news is reporting that we have the capability tolimit warming to 2.7C if every country follows through on their pledges AND THEN follows up on them with more, but even that seems pretty rosy to me at this point. As for what I am doing to help, 350.org is holding an event in DC at the end of November. I will be there. I'm phoneposting so I can't do links (I tried really hard for the link to that article above!), but I assume that people here can google.
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Squalid posted:Googled this, didn't find anything. Their website isn't very intuitive... What's the date/subject? Sorry about that. https://act.350.org/event/global-climate-march_attend/11168/ They're holding events all over the world related to this, which is likely why it didn't show up.
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CommieGIR posted:Yup, and Rainforest in South America is still being decimated at an alarming rate. I don't know why I keep coming back here for news. It just makes me want to go back to spewing doom and gloom everywhere. This whole thing is just completely out of control at this point, and that scares the poo poo out of me. I should be sleeping right now for fucks sake.  I suppose I should contribute other than that... ...Yeah, sure. Nuclear would be great. Don't know how to make it happen though.
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Nov 12, 2015 07:11
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blowfish posted:Nobody who is grounded in reality seriously believes in less than 2°C of warming. More realistically, we're aiming for anything below maybe 2.5 or 3°C. You're starting to make me not want to come to this thread for good news and cheery thoughts, you know that?  Is there ANY good news from this deal at all? Does anybody have good news whatsoever (on the topic of climate change)
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Dec 15, 2015 03:26
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Theres been a bit of an oopsie in southern california, if you consider hundreds of thousands of pounds of methane leaking from the ground to be "a bit of an oopsie."
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computer parts posted:Yeah, like I said it's inertia. It's cheaper right now to keep what you've got and run it until it breaks down, rather than investing in any sort of upgrades. China and Japan appear to disagree with you on that one. What you're saying is definitely true in the US, but America isn't the whole world.
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Dec 24, 2015 20:54
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computer parts posted:Japan is specifically doing that because they're being dumbasses about nuclear power and realized too late that they're too far north to generate solar power. It doesn't matter why they're doing it. In terms of carbon emissions, its the same result - more coal plants.
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Dec 25, 2015 07:11
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More good news! The Supreme Court has issued a stay on the Clean Power Plan!
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Feb 10, 2016 00:47
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Colonel J posted:I see what the graph says, but what DO those months have in common? Sea ice volume for the two months are approximately equal. January is the dead of winter, and September is just after melt season ends, if I am not mistaken.
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For a period of 24 hours (March 2 - March 3), the average temperature across the northern hemisphere was 2C above pre-industrial averagequote:Since this post was originally published, the heat wave has continued. As of Thursday morning, it appears that average temperatures across the Northern Hemisphere have breached the 2 degrees Celsius above “normal” mark for the first time in recorded history, and likely the first time since human civilization began thousands of years ago. That mark has long been held (somewhat arbitrarily) as the point above which climate change may begin to become "dangerous" to humanity. It's now arrived—though very briefly—much more quickly than anticipated. This is a milestone moment for our species. Climate change deserves our greatest possible attention. *AHEM*   AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Mar 5, 2016 02:52
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Overflight posted:tl;dr If things are so bad WHAT IS THE GODDAMNED POINT IN ANYTHING? Simply put, if your panic about anything is preventing you from functioning in life, you need to fix that. That being said, theres no shame in seeking mental help, such as therapy or even just a friend. (If you don't like people, maybe get a pet?) I am not a mental health professional, so I can't be of service beyond what I've already said.
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Mar 20, 2016 01:26
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Rime posted:You think we won't see the bad effects of climate collapse in our lifetimes? We already are, go read the news, it's only a matter of time before that shitshow comes to every shore. Right, but thats not the same thing as "we will literally be like the start of Interstellar." These are problems that can theoretically be fixed and adapted to. We need to start working on how.
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Mar 22, 2016 21:11
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Rime posted:Climate models have underestimated Earth’s sensitivity to CO2 changes, study finds jesus loving christ we are all so dead. That is a stupidly high sensitivity they came up with. I mean... wow. Really not much else to say about that.
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Apr 7, 2016 23:59
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Hollismason posted:The human race won't go extinct we have enough technologically wise that the earth's population may die off but there will still be enclaves of the wealthy etc... who survive. So literally apocalyptic wasteland. Like we have the technology to build climate controlled large enclaves, small cities, etc.. Okay, but when I say "we are all so dead" I mean we as in "the poor people" I'm not happy about that.
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Apr 8, 2016 00:37
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Potato Salad posted:Yeah, we're doomed. That's life. For me, the thing about that is that it's hard to deal with that viewpoint without also surrendering to nihilism. Yeah, I can do some good now, but as selfish as it seems, I'd like there to be a tomorrow I'm doing this good for. I'd like to have at least a little time to enjoy a perfect world before I go. Call it naive, call it selfish, but I'd like it if humanity stuck around long enough for spaceships, thank you very much.
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Apr 8, 2016 17:51
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Isaac0105 posted:Well the reason you think this way is because the concept of progress in the West is something comparable to a religion. You think surrendering the idea of progress towards a better and brighter future is "nihilism" but that has less to do with reality and more to do with the "my god failed" effect. But... ...can I at least still shitpost on forums dot somethingawful dot com after industrial civilization collapses? EDIT: Trabisnikof says yes, so I guess I feel better now. Inglonias fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Apr 8, 2016 |
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Apr 8, 2016 18:42
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:Carbon taxes are regressive and would cost a much larger % of a poor persons income than of a rich individal. Also they are a litteral death sentence for the third world. They also encourage monopolies and crony dealings. When you make a claim like that (and don't bother to spell check) the onus is on you to provide evidence. But I'm going to be nice here and link my own sources: quote:Impact on Gasoline Prices
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May 17, 2016 15:29
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TildeATH posted:For those of you who are actually in the trenches, at what point did/do you just throw your hands up and accept that the tragedy of the commons is unavoidable? Not actually in the trenches, but I think humanity will muddle through this just fine and continue to be its old, destructive self. How much of humanity, and how many of the other species are coming along with us is another story entirely.
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Jul 21, 2016 13:11
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Here's an actual piece of good news - Apparantly China's coal peak is a real thing rather than a blip They may be playing up just how good the news is, though, especially since all this means is that their emissions are starting to drop. quote:The economists argue in a new paper on Monday that this can now be seen as permanent trend, not a blip, due to major shifts in the Chinese economy and a crackdown on pollution.
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Jul 25, 2016 19:11
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Geostomp posted:So another four years of bravely ignoring the problem and demanding even more pollution and destruction for a quick buck. Hurray. Dehumamize yourself and face to trumpshed. EDIT: I am actually having a mini panic attack over this in another thread now. What the gently caress are we gonna do?! WHAT THE gently caress ARE WE GONNA DO?! (Nothing, probably) Inglonias fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Nov 9, 2016 |
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Nov 9, 2016 11:24
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Wakko posted:There are a number of community projects that already exist for folks looking to make it through the Jackpot, they mostly go by Transition towns or Eco villages. I know some well educated folks who now spend their days laying foundation for rammed earth houses powered by solar and installing rainwater catchment systems. Hope you enjoy backbreaking work. You know what? If nothing else, its exercise.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:17
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Tanreall posted:Again I reject the idea that I should only concentrate on what's good for my own survival. In the words of Albert Camus "There are causes worth dying for, but none worth killing for." Yeah, I'm with Tanreall. "FYGM" is sort of what got us into this mess to begin with.
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Nov 10, 2016 19:54
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NewForumSoftware posted:Where am I advocating for isolationism? I'm advocating that you can't change federal policy so you shouldn't care about it. Your argument seems to be "but you can't give up hope!" Are you being serious? NewForumSoftware posted:you realize that humans lived for tens of thousands of years without knowing what was happening 10 miles away, much less across the entire world NewForumSoftware posted:I agree "gently caress everyone who isn't in my neck of the woods" is a longer way of saying isolationism. We have one planet, and Climate Change is not a local issue. It is a global issue. I personally believe that it can only be solved completely on a global level, and that solution involves humanity not emitting GHGs into the atmosphere. How we get there is what we have to decide. We either let our economies collapse to the point where we stop emitting and deal with the consequences of that, or we can have a controlled descent in emissions. Local solutions are part of the solution, yes, but in this case, the planet has to be our first priority.
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Telephones posted:So how soon is the first world hosed? Until we see food shortages and violence? 2025? 2030? Canonically? 2060. Guess I pull out of my rear end? ...2060 actually sounds kind of good, yeah.
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Nov 11, 2016 00:50
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:climate change is real i just dont believe its as dangerous as the alarmists say. Basically what we should do is try to empower and enrich third world nations so that if the poo poo really hits the fan and their surroundings become unlivable, they have the means to pack up and go somewhere cooler. I live in quebec and we have 2 carbon taxes (provincial and federal) even though every year since the beginning of times we emit a negative amount of co2 in the atmosphere. Were paying out the rear end to offset american and Chinese greenhouse gazes and all the funds are squandered/gifted to huge corporations. "Climate justice" is the biggest ponzi scheme of all time. If your plan relies on entire national populations being able to "pack up and go somewhere cooler," you have no plan worth taking seriously.
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Gamma Nerd posted:*optimism and hope* Quick, someone post something about how Gamma Nerd is wrong and we're all hosed, because I no longer feel like jumping off a bridge!
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Nov 12, 2016 15:32
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Paradoxish posted:Don't take this the wrong way: it's going to be bad and being afraid is the correct response. All I'm saying is that industrialized civilization won't collapse and the world of 2050 will almost certainly be just a shittier version of 2016. Society won't fall apart because people are forced to migrate inland over a period of decades. The question that springs to mind then is this one - "Are there ways to make things less lovely when we get to 2050 in this situation?" To me that answer depends solely on "are negative emissions possible?" because if they are, then I guess we can technically make things less lovely (even if it is unlikely). If they are not, then our only option as a species is to wait it out and try not to break anything else.
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Nov 14, 2016 21:18
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vegetables posted:Could you geoengineer global cooling with nuclear bombs? I realise this is an incredibly stupid question, but kind of want to know the answer anyway. Yes, but compared to nuclear bombs, even sulphates would be better, because at least those aren't goddamn radioactive.
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Nov 15, 2016 00:54
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Fangz posted:https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research
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Nice piece of fish posted:The only thing positive about Trump is that he only gets to do damage for 8 years max, and after that people will hopefully be angry enough (and the progressives have gotten their poo poo together enough) that dems flood congress and get POTUS. Then we And ideally we would all have coffee and donuts. Death is certain.
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Nov 25, 2016 13:53
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Potato Salad posted:I think I agree. Using percentages seems disingenuous here. Like, this graph leads a casual observer to believe that Australia and Estonia would cancel each other out when that's... not how things work. You got a graph of absolutes?
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Dec 7, 2016 15:05
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" International agreements on climate change have still garnered necessity for improved emissions regulations within even the countries that presently stand to overshoot goals.
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Arglebargle III posted:The bears are attacking! It's okay. We've got our "best" people working on saving us.
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How about a massive natural example of sulfate emissions? Would data like that help our models?quote:Researchers say the volcano is moving towards a threshold beyond which rising magma could spark the release of fluids and gases at 10 times the normal rate.
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Dec 21, 2016 21:30
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Even better news for the GBRquote:While severe bleaching events have occurred three other times in the past 20 years — in 1998, 2002 and 2016 — this year marks the first time it's known to have happened two years in a row. Scientists say the damage is caused by higher water temperatures due to global warming.
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Apr 10, 2017 16:41
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Accretionist posted:It's an amusing wrinkle in any sequestration-based hopes and dreams. You mean build as many as possible regardless of expense in the fears that some other country is also doing it? Yes, I agree.
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Uranium Phoenix posted:Climate Change: What is to be Done? History repeats itself in more ways than one, it seems.
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Yeah. Believe it or not, using nuclear weapons remains a bad idea for all sorts of reasons (unless we're pushing massive spaceships)
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Dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but Cape Town, South Africa is on the verge of running out of water It will be interesting to see what happens. And by interesting I mean terrifying/depressing.
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