Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Locked thread
Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
we're gonna need a bigger barrel

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

fade5 posted:

:agreed:

Oh, and lurkers scared to post in in D&D

:justpost:

It's really easy, I did it

yeah this is a better entry to d&d than the weird wading pool thread. :justpost:

Sinnlos posted:

Let us resolve here today, to make this the best chat thread yet seen, so that our children, and our children's children, may inherit a better DaDchat tomorrow.
migf hasn't posted yet so it's off to a good start

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Disinterested posted:

goons it is an occasion

a celebratory meal is coming my way

but what should it be

honey on toast and three shots of whiskey

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
more like a loaded can of raid

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

LorrdErnie posted:

he got probated for exaggerating his mushroom trip

good.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

site posted:

Blame jag

Non sequitur, to the nerds: why aren't shields always up in sci-fi? I'm watching star trek into darkness for the first time and the fact that they keep saying shields up is bugging me.

drains the batteries, i assume

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Exclamation Marx posted:

stfu about migf

if this thread takes up too much of your time you could always make me ik, just putting that out there.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

in theory i'm not opposed, but i would not burden you with such a heavy crown.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Gravel Gravy posted:

I guess a good seeded rye

rye is good, do this. or a brioche!

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

My Imaginary GF posted:

You know, the more I have to loving find some loving will to loving get behind loving integration between priviledged communities and disadvantaged individuals/institutions of native american/tribal descent, the more I find myself to align with the most moderate of moderate R positions of 1971.

When you coming up fish'n? You missed ricin' season.

i hope you got some ricin in.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Nintendo Kid posted:

When I drove cross country and back, I made sure to pull 1000-1200 mile days to minimize time spent in the boring areas

i did this through texas, oklahoma, and arkansas.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/11/movember_mustache_campaign_for_prostate_cancer_is_misguided.html

A good article.

quote:

Movember says that we protect men by celebrating masculinity. And that’s ridiculous.

Christina: I think that’s right—Movember’s marketing is rife with jokes about penis size, women with facial hair, and references to “lady ticklers,” as if the entire thing were a way to climb the ranks of straightness and manliness. And if anything doesn’t need a special month for celebration, it’s masculinity, which is celebrated every drat day of the year...

So many of the world’s oodles of breast cancer awareness campaigns are sexualized and focused on the specific body part the cancer affects. We’re supposed to broadcast our bra color on social media, or leave our bras at home, all to save those precious tatas by groping our wives.

But Movember’s prostate cancer awareness doesn’t focus on anal sex or prostate play or genitals at all. I’m guessing that’s because the prostate as a sex organ is thought of as a very gay thing, and Movember is targeted at men who’d rather grow a “lady tickler” than stimulate an actual prostate.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Disinterested posted:

I think good is a stretch
I think it's good because it concisely expresses a couple of things I had felt were gross about the whole movember/facial hair enthusiast thing and the gendered coding of illness awareness.

Besides if breast cancer awareness involves a ton of "save the tatas" and boob stuff, why doesn't prostate cancer awareness involve a lot of buttplay stuff? The answer is that both are coded to be palatable to unselfaware straight men.

Aeryk posted:

I don't think I've ever heard it called a 'lady tickler' and I feel worse off for this information.

"Houston’s Del Frisco’s Grille is joining others across the nation to raise funds and awareness for men's health issues for the Movember Foundation with their “Man-Up Stache-Up” fundraising effort.

In honor of Movember, Del Frisco’s Grille has created two unique cocktails with Jack Daniels to be served all month long, “The Lady Tickler” and “The Stiff Upper Lip.”

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Disinterested posted:

The article somewhat misses the point that movember is explicitly designed to get the type of people who ordinarily wouldn't to take an interest and in that respect it's a huge success

Now let's play the little utilitarian game of imagining how much good it would do if it was explicitly oriented and marketed around prostate play

That doesn't mean that the criticisms mentioned in the article are invalid nor does it mean the gross aspects of it aren't there. It's using it as a lens to explore many things related to masculinity and illness.

And it's not advocating for that kind of marketing, it's unpacking why it isn't done.

The Warszawa posted:

idk why we have to have dumb gimmicks for cancer research

cancer is bad enough
Yeah, and this is p much what the article says too. Or at least take a moment to acknowledge how weird some of these gimmicks are.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

R. Mute posted:

men are pathetically insecure

It's true.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

zoux posted:

women though, super not insecure

One difference is that masculinity to valued more highly than femininity; men's fragility is associated with keeping power and maintaining gendered roles whereas women's insecurity can be seen as a reaction to having to obtain power and survive within imposed gendered roles. Plus men are insecure about their masculinity whereas women tend not to be insecure about their femininity (e: as femininity as identity but rather how it's expressed/managed), though of course some can be I guess (e: without getting into aspects of reproduction which is where that does come into play, unfortunately).

Also "women are insecure" is a stereotype, whereas men are generally told they're not insecure or should not be at the risk of not being manly, therefore pointing out that men are super insecure is both true and also useful.

also i've met more insecure men than women

Sharkie fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Nov 13, 2015

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

The Warszawa posted:

sharkie i thought the whole critique of the cosmo-axis cottage industry was preying upon and reinforcing women's widespread insecurity about their femininity

have i completely misunderstood this?

No it is, I didn't phrase that well.

Berke Negri posted:

anyways i thought the consensus on breast cancer awareness month is its just a big fundraising plot by komen and the real issue for women isnt random screenings which doesn't change much but women being able to afford actual treatment when they find out they have breast cancer
Yep.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Disinterested posted:

Realising it's the last chance to do it without health risks

also wanting to have a kid old enough to help out with the baby and pick up the slack with household chores

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I like marketing because it keeps me informed about new products and services and helps me make purchasing decisions that fit my lifestyle, hth.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Oh wow, I have 0 energy today, and just woke up from some werid half-awake fugue state.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Aeryk posted:

let's brainstorm new jobs for Randler. I'm thinking school counselor.

Bad guy in Italo exploitation war movies

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
holy poo poo, I know you're all tired of talking about it but I just heard about Paris.

god i feel so helpless and angry and sad.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
is "hyperironic" just a way of saying "unironic in an age of irony," or what exactly?

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

V. Illych L. posted:

no, it's an ironic statement where there is an ironic detachment to the irony itself, creating a sort of rhetorical double-negative effect

oh ok, i was just asking what you meant btw, not trying to be snide to you personally or anything, though to me it sounds like it's this or at least close enough to it:

Luigi Thirty posted:

There is no such thing as ironic racism so I guess

I think he's talking about like Jews did 9/11 and other wacky ironic antisemitism which people in bad parts of the world agree with

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

V. Illych L. posted:

well ok an example:


seven years ago or something i was playing, i don't remember, some call of duty game on xbox live with a headset to talk to my friend's "clan" or what have you

some village map had a roof that it was possible to get on top of to snipe from, so one of our opponents did so, causing confusion among my team since we didn't know you could get up there. so some guy spots the sniper and says (translated) "there's a jew on the roof", shortly followed by "i got the jew"

the second statement makes no sense unless in the context of the first, and it's clearly not meant unironically - nobody seriously thinks that jews tend to shoot at people from roofs, the very idea is absurd - but there's something very sinister there, transforming an ethnic signifier into a slur-like thing that would not be acceptable by anyone (even the guy saying it) in an unironic way. this person would never say "there's a paki on the roof", for instance

so, this guy is able to channel his shameful antisemitism through what is basically a random quip

this is not the best theoretical example, since there's quite a lot more than hyperirony going on here, but it's a real-life example of the kind of bizarre "casual" antisemitism that is gaining ground in norway today

ok, that actually sounds like how "gay" or "human being" is used in the US (ex: "Look at that human being who likes that gay videogame...wait don't call me homophobic, I don't have a problem with gay people!!"), though thankfully people have been pushing back against it and using those words in that sense definitely marks you as a lovely and immature person, at least in many places. And in fact that use of "jew" is also going on in the US, it's just that I think if you scratch off the paint it's just common everyday antisemitism (or homophobia) underneath. Though of course I'm talking about my US perspective of how it's used in the US.

Sharkie fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Nov 14, 2015

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
if we're not careful fascists may rise, now let me tell you how socialists have colluded with foreigners to bring down our way of life.

V. Illych L. posted:

i am confident that this is not only a Thing in my country, and it is absolutely actual antisemitism with a couple of layers of paint on it, i just heard this mode of communication referred to as "hyperirony" at one point and liked the phrase

yeah, we're in agreement, i too thought the phrase was interesting which is why i asked about it. sorry if i seemed antagonistic, i didn't mean to be, i'm just not in a good mood this morning apparently.

Sharkie fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Nov 14, 2015

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Literally The Worst posted:

gotta stop biting people's heads off, sharkie

sometimes posters resemble seals, not my fault

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

PupsOfWar posted:

the definition of "original" doesn't come into it.

default nomenclature comes about via a process of general societal consensus

if an important thing claims the same acronym as an unimportant thing, the acronym becomes associated with the important thing regardless of whether the unimportant thing has been around longer

I'm upset that ISIS has besmirched the name of a perfectly decent goddess, tbh.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

kustomkarkommando posted:

Let me tell you about individual retirement arrangements

my retirement plan is to wait until i'm so old my body is falling apart, then start doing hard drugs and robbing banks

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Gravel Gravy posted:

That isn't a good thread.

d&d multiculturalism has failed.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
i support daesh fighters dying (tho who should be doing this is v. complicated ofc) and also every country in europe plus the us and canada taking in as many refugees as logistically possible.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Foppery posted:

Helen of Troy is probably the most sympathetic character in the entire Epic Cycle, imo

Odysseus's whole family is p. sympathetic, imo

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Rollofthedice posted:

what's everyone's favorite translation of the odyssey

hint: any answer that's not the robert fagles translation is wrong

fagles, feels good to be right.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Foppery posted:

Telemakhos and Penelope (and especially Argos :smith: ) are very sympathetic (as is Odysseus, I would argue; remember, he never wanted to go to war in the first place), but Helen really stands out given how much she gets hosed over and how little say she has in any of what happens to her

Yeah, and especially since Penelope and Telly get remembered as faithful and honorable while Helen's reputation is....not as good. Which I guess led to the ghost theory.

Rollofthedice posted:

I got a bit misty eyed when I read that for the first time :smith:


I have a french translation by Philippe Jaccottet that's also very good, particularly bc the French allows for a few words that could only be translated as phrases in English.
for example, right at the start:

O Muse, conte-moi l'aventure de l'Inventif...

Which in the Fagles is:

Sing to me of the man, Muse, the man of twists and turns...

I think it's pretty cool.

I wish I could read French, but I just have a bad tourist's level. One of my roommates was a French tutor and I still wish I took advantage of that.

Sharkie fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Nov 15, 2015

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Rollofthedice posted:

Book 24 of the Odyssey is believed by some to have been added in by a later poet, too, along with some modifications to earlier lines to allow for it. but it's subject to debate.

I remember hearing this but it's been too long so I'm not sure what the reasoning is, except maybe it seems anticlimactic :shrug:

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
:rolleyes:

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

idgi, is it a joke about the military industrial complex or about vietnamese people?

i didn't get it either, then i did and wished i hadn't. for what it's worth those posts piss me off too

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

paranoid randroid posted:

goddamn i must be a simple soul indeed. the fact that my car is running again and i have a lovely entry level corporate position has put me in just the most chipper loving mood.

those are all good things, congrats

  • Locked thread