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Joementum posted:Asking the candidates to debate about the Paris attacks before they have all the information about those attacks creates a big problem for their campaigns. Will Bernie Sanders have the courage to say "I don't know." on stage tonight? 
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fade5 posted:Democrats live in reality though, If that were true, Bernie Sanders wouldn't be debating foreign policy at a Democratic debate.
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Nov 14, 2015 19:52
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Jewel Repetition posted:How would it play to say that Hillary helped create ISIS with her Iraq war vote? It would be the smart thing to do. Attack Hillary for Obama's failures and portray your foreign policy as the anti-Obama doctrine.
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Nov 14, 2015 21:03
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I think its safe to say that Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who wouldn't abort Baby Hitler.
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Nov 14, 2015 21:20
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Mrit posted:Yes, portray yourself as anti-Obama when Obama is very popular with the party. Not the best political move. (though personally, I think Obama has been rather meh at foreign policy) Obama's foreign policy hasn't been popular within the party at all. Everyone disagrees with Obama on forpol; Clinton the most. Attacking Clinton as the root of Obama's foreign policy failures is a double-whammy, since Clinton was ignored by Obama on forpol and since those policies have so clearly failed in the eyes of the American public. HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Thank you for reminding me of that, I have a response to this now. What's in that image is the line that'll be used against Clinton 'til E-day. Without Biden in the race, Obama's ForPol is her fault. Far better for Sanders to own the attack than for Trump.
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Nov 14, 2015 21:28
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Hillary helped create ISIS by failing to intervene with ground troops in Iraq and bomb ISIS sooner.
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Nov 14, 2015 23:33
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Joementum posted:Sanders campaign staffer threw a fit with CBS on a conference call about the debate. What great executive leadership at the Sanders' campaign. You don't bitch to the media without leverage, like being BFF's with the outlet's owner.
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Nov 15, 2015 00:00
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Logikv9 posted:O'Malley's just happy to be here. Vice Presidential Nominee Martin O'Malley is reportedly "pleased" to have facetime with presumptive nominee Clinton; it's his first in over a month.
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It's 3am at Martin O'Malley's office. He's not at the Naval Observatory; he's fast at home, asleep. At 8am, over a decent breakfast, O'Malley asks his DCOS if POTUS has called. On this day, like all previous days, the answer was the same. "No."
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Nov 15, 2015 00:03
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Mitt Romney posted:I highly doubt he will, but if Sanders actually came out at the debate indirectly blaming Clinton for the Paris attack that will be the end of what is left of his campaign, in true Romney-Benghazi campaign style. You don't blame Clinton; you blame Obama's failure on taking initiative against ISIL, especially the "immaturity" of POTUS' comments yesterday morning to Stephatrunkalunkus, and allow the voters to insinuate that it was Clinton's fault for themselves.
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Nov 15, 2015 00:32
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:You blame anyone who was responsible for the Iraq invasion, because that's exactly what predicated ISIL. ISIL would have arose without the Iraq invasion.
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Nov 15, 2015 01:29
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Joementum posted:BOOM! Sounds like damage control; my bet is the debate proceeds as planned, with Bernie being told that he is free to withdraw his candidacy at any time if he wishes.
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Nov 15, 2015 01:32
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WugLyfe posted:Whatever happened to Deez Nuts? Both ineligable for office, and winter set in.
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Nov 15, 2015 01:35
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spoon0042 posted:consequences? that's america-hatin talk there. It really is quite the gaffe
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Nov 15, 2015 03:17
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Everyone worth their muster has financial ties. To rule them out from your cabinet, who are you left with?
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Nov 15, 2015 04:11
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this debate is too far left. TOO FAR LEFT
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Nov 15, 2015 04:12
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Joementum posted:I wonder if the "go on my website" thing ever works. No, it almost never, ever does.
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Nov 15, 2015 04:23
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Mitt Romney posted:Meanwhile Sanders has yet to explain how he's going to get medicare for all passed through congress. He won't get anything passed through Congress. The only power he'd have would be requesting Congress to declare war, and deploying troops.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:24
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they're important issues to poor white people
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Nov 15, 2015 05:34
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Tigntink posted:All I get from that is that Hillary is fine with people teetering in poverty but not ok with straight up lifting the conditions for everyone. Clinton speaks about actionable proposals that would be able to pass through Congress. Sanders runs like he's up against Dewey.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:35
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Bad Caller posted:Killing terrorists and 9/11 references even poorly misplaced are a great way to appeal to people that don't want to actually think about why those issues happen in the first place Because terrorists be crazy?
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Nov 15, 2015 05:38
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triple sulk posted:no, it's just very unfortunate that poverty often involves a poor education which leads to exploitation of people's finances. doubling the minimum wage would be a very enticing way for even more casinos/gambling facilities to open up near poor neighborhoods and credit card companies to take advantage of a poor understanding of how credit cards work. Education is not the cure-all for poverty. You cannot tackle poverty without discussing the issue of race, yet that's exactly what Sanders hopes to do.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:39
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Immortan posted:Free college isn't realistic, you goober. If you're truly poor and deserve a spot in college, you're able to get one without having to pay one dime. How much is 4 years of college at Harvard for someone who's family makes 150% the poverty level? its free
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Nov 15, 2015 05:41
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triple sulk posted:free community college is fine because no one gives a poo poo about it and it's like $3000 a year. if someone drops out who cares and otherwise if they don't they'll go on to a real college. Minimum wage increases are great, for those who have jobs. What % of black males aged 16 to 30 are employed? Tigntink posted:There was a kid in Memphis who was accepted to every single Ivy college with full ride scholarships but decided to go to a state school because his parents couldn't afford to help him with the high living expenses that come with going to ivy leagues. College isn't just tuition. Sounds like someone too lazy to have saved enough during highschool to afford the mandatory dorm period.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:43
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Joementum posted:Interesting contrast: Eisenhower cited in Democratic debate for 90% top marginal rate, in Republican debate for Operation Wetback. I like Ike. Why can't any candidate be more like Ike on all policy issues?
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Nov 15, 2015 05:45
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SirKibbles posted:Einsenhower: the moderate America needs? Ike would have gotten a better deal from Iran. A square deal, even.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:45
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IKE FOR PRESIDENT IKE FOR PRESIDENT
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Nov 15, 2015 05:45
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Bad Caller posted:Guys you realize Eisenhower signed off on the coup in 1953 in Iran that ultimately lead to a more disastrous situation in Iran that is completely unfriendly to us now. I LIKE IKE
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Nov 15, 2015 05:48
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Nov 15, 2015 05:49
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Nov 15, 2015 05:50
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Joementum posted:Yup. The Dulles Bros were the worst part of Ike's administration by far. Dulles: Worse than Dick Nixon?
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Nov 15, 2015 05:52
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Joementum posted:Well, Ike didn't let Nixon do anything. One of his smartest decisions. Ike didn't let anyone do anything; his chief of staff was acting POTUS, while Ike golfed.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:54
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:All of them were intentionally vague about foreign policy, and only Bernie had a specific proposal which is to get our Mooslim allies in the region to coalesce against ISIS. I don't think it's particularly realistic but at least it's something. How could he do that, more than what's already being done? Because unless there's a concrete answer for that, all his words are just cover for cutting and running from ISIS.
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Nov 15, 2015 06:20
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Cicero posted:The problem with K-12 is that we don't even seem to really know how to fix it, whereas our colleges are already pretty good, they're just expensive. Thus, we can be pretty confident that we can solve the latter by just hurling money at it, but can't say the same about the former. We know how to fix it, we just have no will for it: Forced integration.
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Nov 15, 2015 09:22
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Nintendo Kid posted:What's the relevance of "back in the 1950s when public schools were even worse and there was a ton more segragation, 50% of students dropped out"? An improvement of 10 to 20 percentage points over 60 goddamn years isn't exactly good news It's not bad news.
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Top City Homo posted:bitch all you want Actually, the only poll which matters occurs in a little under a year.
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Nov 16, 2015 03:31
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babypolis posted:"A 2012 study by the New Jersey Department of Education, however, determined that score gains in the Abbotts were no higher than in those in high-poverty districts that did not participate in the Abbott lawsuit and therefore received much less state money" You know what works? FORCED INTEGRATION.
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Dan Didio posted:To see a politician in touch with the people they want to represent, to me, is good. To see a politician in touch with the people they want money from, to me, is better.
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Maxwells Demon posted:To see a politician touch the people they want to represent, to me, is better. Personally, I prefer not to know about the people whom politicians touch. Its a big 
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