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PPP's post debate flash poll says 67% say Clinton won, 20% Sanders, 7% O'Malley. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...security-i.html
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Powercrazy posted:15 dollar minimum wage? impossible for reasons. indexed 12 dollar minimum? Day 1 legislation. All I get from that is that Hillary is fine with people teetering in poverty but not ok with straight up lifting the conditions for everyone. Her college stance is also awful. Just because someone's parents are well off doesn't mean they are going to give their kids poo poo.
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they're important issues to poor white people
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Tigntink posted:I guess I didn't get that at all from his phrasing. People who have money in their pockets do invigorate the economy, period. Same reason EBT is the best economic stimulator. I guess my bigger issue is that when fighting for something people NEED phrasing it as if it's something they WANT doesn't help, you know? Like, there's already such a narrative that the people fighting for 15 an hour are just lazy bums who want to buy more poo poo they don't need because they're greedy. Turning the conversation away from 'no these dudes need this to not be on the street hungry' to 'yea they do want more toys gently caress you so what' isn't a great way to fight, even if it's totally true that they have the right to free time and buying stupid poo poo just like the rest of us.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yea nerds will Whine it can't play some latest game but it works great for normal people Not if you work in graphic design or want to produce digital art.
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Joementum posted:PPP's post debate flash poll says 67% say Clinton won, 20% Sanders, 7% O'Malley. Jesus christ
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Nov 15, 2015 05:35
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Bernie Panders isn't going to be the nominee, folks. His performance tonight illustrated just how unrealistic he is.
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it really surprises me to see all these AL AQSA and LF posters suddenly hating on Sanders (for whatever reason) and being on board for Hillary. Isn't Sanders exactly the kind of candidate you guys would want to win? why are you supporting fake progressive and self-avowed "moderate" Hillary Clinton all of a sudden?
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a cop posted:Like someone who's saving enough to retire at 50 Only if you pirate you gently caress Instruments are expensive too
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Tigntink posted:All I get from that is that Hillary is fine with people teetering in poverty but not ok with straight up lifting the conditions for everyone. Clinton speaks about actionable proposals that would be able to pass through Congress. Sanders runs like he's up against Dewey.
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Joementum posted:PPP's post debate flash poll says 67% say Clinton won, 20% Sanders, 7% O'Malley. Hard to argue with that and I'm a bernout
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Nov 15, 2015 05:36
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Tigntink posted:Her college stance is also awful. Just because someone's parents are well off doesn't mean they are going to give their kids poo poo. 
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Matthewtheman posted:This is really insulting to poor people. no, it's just very unfortunate that poverty often involves a poor education which leads to exploitation of people's finances. doubling the minimum wage would be a very enticing way for even more casinos/gambling facilities to open up near poor neighborhoods and credit card companies to take advantage of a poor understanding of how credit cards work.
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triple sulk posted:do you think poor people have good financial management skills, especially considering how bad the financial management skills of the average american are It's my understanding that poor people tend to be really good at some financial management skills. If they've got cool poo poo like Jacuzzis, popcorn machines or trampolines it's because they paid a tenth of what someone who was middle class would normally pay.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Jesus christ Killing terrorists and 9/11 references even poorly misplaced are a great way to appeal to people that don't want to actually think about why those issues happen in the first place
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Bad Caller posted:$375 dollars you realize is more than a week's work on minimum wage currently Yet 80% of Americans own one or more computers. Seems like people are capable of saving up for things. You know that's in nominal dollar terms about where the cheapest color sets or the watchable mono sets were 40 years ago, but in real terms that 1975 price is $1700 modern dollars. Computers are cheap as hell, and they keep getting cheaper every year. Many poor families can even participate in programs that subsidize a computer and Internet access if their kid qualifies for reduced or free school lunch these days
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Indigo Jones posted:it really surprises me to see all these AL AQSA and LF posters suddenly hating on Sanders (for whatever reason) and being on board for Hillary. pathological contrarianism
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Trump's kids is not a valid excuse to dismiss free college. This isn't that hard.
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triple sulk posted:no, it's just very unfortunate that poverty often involves a poor education which leads to exploitation of people's finances. doubling the minimum wage would be a very enticing way for even more casinos/gambling facilities to open up near poor neighborhoods and credit card companies to take advantage of a poor understanding of how credit cards work. Then just don't let casinos open or allow credit card companies to do that
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Bad Caller posted:Killing terrorists and 9/11 references even poorly misplaced are a great way to appeal to people that don't want to actually think about why those issues happen in the first place Because terrorists be crazy?
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Nov 15, 2015 05:38
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yet 80% of Americans own one or more computers. Seems like people are capable of saving up for things. Which is good Fair nuff, maybe monopolies on healthcare and poo poo is just making things arbitrarily more expensive than they actually should be
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Deep Hurting posted:Not if you work in graphic design or want to produce digital art.
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So you don't think college is something that should be available to anyone who gets the grades? I mean, really? Just because that situation might be unlikely doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If we are going for equality, make it equal.
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triple sulk posted:no, it's just very unfortunate that poverty often involves a poor education which leads to exploitation of people's finances. doubling the minimum wage would be a very enticing way for even more casinos/gambling facilities to open up near poor neighborhoods and credit card companies to take advantage of a poor understanding of how credit cards work. You're very presumptuous. Just because someone is poor doesn't mean they're dumb and/or bad with money. Most poor people are poor because of our lovely economy designed to prevent them from rising in economic class.
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Bad Caller posted:Then just don't let casinos open or allow credit card companies to do that yeah I'm sure congress will get right on that.
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HUGE ASTERISK on that PPP poll: it was sponsored by Correct The Record, which is a Hillary-aligned rapid response group.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Trump's kids is not a valid excuse to dismiss free college. Free college isn't realistic, you goober.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:39
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triple sulk posted:no, it's just very unfortunate that poverty often involves a poor education which leads to exploitation of people's finances. doubling the minimum wage would be a very enticing way for even more casinos/gambling facilities to open up near poor neighborhoods and credit card companies to take advantage of a poor understanding of how credit cards work. Education is not the cure-all for poverty. You cannot tackle poverty without discussing the issue of race, yet that's exactly what Sanders hopes to do.
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Immortan posted:Free college isn't realistic, you goober. Europe isn't real
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Immortan posted:Free college isn't realistic, you goober. Tell me why it isn't?
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Joementum posted:HUGE ASTERISK on that PPP poll: it was sponsored by Correct The Record, which is a Hillary-aligned rapid response group. Well that explains it. loving  , man.
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Nov 15, 2015 05:40
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triple sulk posted:yeah I'm sure congress will get right on that. State legislations often hate opening casinos, poo poo some states won't recognize native american tribes entirely because of fears of more casinos Predatory lending definitely needs to be tackled though. Would help to get all the politicians in big bank pockets out of legislation
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Immortan posted:Free college isn't realistic, you goober. Our GDP per capita is higher than lots of other countries who manage to do it. It's not free, it's paid for by taxpayers, who are making an investment in the country which pays off for everyone.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Donald "I think I am a nice person" Trump's kids is not a valid excuse to dismiss free college. Wanting to be a car mechanic also isn't, though. I'd rather people hold Sanders to not loving over manual labor professionals by ensuring we have some kinda divided 'silly poor don't you know real education isn't for you, now clean my toilet' thing called 'progressive' than piss fight about exactly how many rich kids have lovely parents.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Europe isn't real Don't worry so long as we focus on Greece we can ignore the countries that do it good
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Tigntink posted:So you don't think college is something that should be available to anyone who gets the grades? I mean, really? Just because that situation might be unlikely doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If we are going for equality, make it equal. There's a difference between saying it should be available and saying it should be outright free. You and Sanders misunderstanding this fundamental concept is why Hillary will be the nominee.
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its not very compelling to say that raising the minimum wage will just lead to those people frittering it away playing the ponies
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Immortan posted:Free college isn't realistic, you goober. If you're truly poor and deserve a spot in college, you're able to get one without having to pay one dime. How much is 4 years of college at Harvard for someone who's family makes 150% the poverty level? its free
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Bad Caller posted:Then just don't let casinos open or allow credit card companies to do that But liberty and free markets government regulation let people have the freedom to make bad decisions etc.  (also lobbyists)
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Combed Thunderclap posted:But liberty and free markets government regulation let people have the freedom to make bad decisions etc. Casinos outside of Nevada have poo poo lobbyists, and even those lobbyists don't want -more- casinos. Just look at fantasy football going down right now. Pay day loan sharks however have pretty drat good ones in state legislation.
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