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(This will be posted after every EO2U update until the LP is finished.) (Addendum: for EO2U early submissions, if you're thinking about submitting a character, I ask that you try and think of one for the classes that don't have as many submissions as the others, for variety's sake. At the time of this post, this includes Dragoon, Shaman, Masurao, Necromancer, and especially Fencer.) This is your regular reminder that early EO5 character submissions are still open. For reference, we currently have the following submissions for each class: Fencer: Aniodia's Anya (1B) Dragoon: BlackPersona's Nolan (3B), Grashbar's Sheila (2A) Cestus: Level Seven's Duke (3B), Tyty's Jill (2A), GeminiSun's Amelie (Earthrun F) Reaper: Dr. Fetus's Raven (1A), Tyty's Teyla (4A), Pyro Jack's Corvus (3B) Warlock: AweStriker's Nille (4B), Aniodia's Kaelin (3A), theshim's Aurora (4A) Necromancer: blizzardvizard's Jude (1A), Wonderslug's Morris (3A) Hound: Kemix's Ritz (1B), GeminiSun's Kaede (1A), mischievousart's Gram (4B) Masurao: GeminiSun's Momoka (1A), BlackPersona's Shin (3B) Shaman: Dr. Fetus's Gabbo (1A), Level Seven's Non (1B) Herbalist: Dr. Fetus's Wanna (4B), FriskyBoat's Dak (3A), mischeviousart's Caleb (3A), Pyro Jack's Cassie (4B) (alcharagia's Warlock is not listed because, being one of the co-authors of the LP, she is disqualified. Her entry was merely meant to stir up creativity.) Want to get in on submitting your own character if you haven't yet? The EO5 intro update is over here, and character creation info is here. Remember to provide a voice for your character (I forgot to put that in the creation info), which can be sampled in the intro update. Remember, also, that you're free to submit as many classes as you want, with the caveat that only one character from you can win. Also, here's some very sound advice regarding EO5's world and how it might affect characters from Clarste: Clarste posted:Frankly I'm not even sure if I should mention this, but reading all these character suggestions makes me wonder about how they'd fit into the setting of the world. I see a lot of profiles that talk about growing up in "the city" or whatever, and I just have to wonder how they got there. I mean, the city of Aeolis isn't a central metropolis or anything, it's a relatively small town that's currently undergoing a huge gold rush style boom now that exploration is legal. Basically none of the characters you meet were born there: they're all immigrants from all over the continent. Each race other than Earthrun also comes from a very specific culture, and it's implied that there's not normally all that much cross-pollination between the races. Like, Therians are from a Spartan culture where each child is trained to use a weapon from a young age, and to hunt for their own survival. Lunarians simply want to unlock the secrets of the universe, which maybe other people think is dabbling in things man was not meant to know. Brownies live in harmony with nature, but are also known for being especially materialistic and greedy. These three different cultures are basically at the center of why people want to explore Yggdrasil: for glory, knowledge, or treasure. Rea fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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Another Shaman, I guess? Name: Paige Class: Shaman Portrait: A4, with pale eyes -- think "blind seer" Voice: Old-Fashioned Sure, Paige has the Sight--or clairvoyance, or ESP, or future vision, or whatever else you want to call it. Especially acute Sight, no less--which is sort of the problem. Cosmic-class prophecies are so deeply alien to the daily life of a Brownie in a quiet Plains town as to be irrelevant--who cares whether "the moon will be as blood, and the seas as ash, come the day of the King in Yellow, blessed be his name"? Paige wanted to win bets and avoid getting hit by carts, not to foresee the end of civilization in a parallel reality or to witness the birth of a curséd star whose hideous name was Wormwood. Like, if it's not going to turn the seas into blood this century, we probably don't need to stockpile water, you know? By means of a variety of material foci--Zener cards, tarot cards, talismans, the occasional blank piece of card stock just to keep the Gods guessing--Paige has managed to significantly narrow down the range of her Sight, albeit just to "continent-sized" instead of "all time and space." She came to Aeolis to make her fortune on minor foretelling (Brownies don't need all that much in the way of prophecy) whilst refining her card-based fortune-telling to a science, only to discover something curious: her visions had stopped concerning themselves with anything but events inside Yggdrasil. Convinced that the Labyrinth was the key to her divine science--and somewhat concerned that the end of the world might've suddenly become way too local for comfort--Paige managed to convince a local explorers' guild to hire her on, ostensibly as a "geomancer" for avoiding spiritual troubles, but mostly as a good-luck charm... as a person, Paige likes gambling (especially on cards), seeming more mysterious than she is, and big dinners. EDIT: And since there's a dearth of them... Name: Sette Class: Fencer Portrait: B4, with hair the same white as her torso and eyes the same red as her... skirt thing Voice: Soldier Everyone has heard tell of the legendary Knight of the Arc--the vigilante, tied to no country, but as impermanent as the wind, a dashing and romantic figure, who dispatched a thousand armed soldiers in a single night... Well, everyone except the Knight herself, who kind of remembers all those guys being drunk and having to "fend off" -- i.e. make threatening motions at with a small saber -- a few morons who mistook her for an enemy combatant. The next morning, someone was found dead by unrelated means, and the blame was laid on her head, but Sette was always fairly good at not getting caught. Her evasion of said guards likewise grew in the retelling, partially due to guards who didn't want to admit they'd been outrun and outwitted by some rando fencer. Two weeks of the rumor mill grinding later, Sette was a folk heroine called Lancetta, the D'Arc Knight, a master of four-sword style who had stolen and refined to perfection the esoteric techniques of the mystic East (although opinion was divided as to whether she also fought by strapping guns to her feet and performing high-impact gun-based martial arts). Sette is kind of understandably wigged out by this, but over time, she's grown into the "folk heroine" role; in fact, she claims it's improved her handling of the sword to know mythographers are industriously writing papers about her, not to mention that her old weapons will probably sell for a mint once she's old and gray. As for the Labyrinth... well, is unbelievable fame and fortune in battle against unrelenting monsters something any self-respecting heroine could stay away from? No, and that means Sette's going to have to go too. Poltergrift fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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Maybe it's just me but Highlander isn't much of an interesting class compared to the others outside of using spears. Of course, maybe it's just the fact that I've played EOU into the second Stratum and I'm in the Story Mode of EOU2 and haven't seen what a Highlander can do yet. Name: Florete (Floret because of the small space) Class: Fencer Portrait: 2A Skin Color: First row, 5th Hair Color: 170, 101, 96 (highlight) 110, 67, 73 (shade) Eye Color: 73, 182, 121 (highlight) 45, 91, 68 (shade) Voice: Lively Florete is a legendary warrior who braved a Labyrinth, solved its mysteries and vanquished terrifying beasts! There's nobody that can beat her in battle, leadership and everything else! At least, that's what the real Florete wishes to be real. Like almost every child that lives on a farm, Florete desires nothing more than, making a name for herself, having an adventure and becoming famous for it. Maybe it's because of bored of the farmer's lifestyle, maybe it's that she heard tale of guilds succeeding in traversing the various Yggdrasils or maybe it's that her dad named her after a sword because he couldn't think up a name for her. Regardless, when she heard of Aeolis now allowing adventurers to step foot into their Yggdrasil, she grabbed what she needed and headed to fufill her dream. There's a lack of Fencers and that's needed to be fixed. Pyro Jack fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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Guess I'll toss in a Fencer too, why not? Name: Emma Class: Fencer Portrait: 4A, Skin: bottom, 3rd. Eyes: brown Voice: Cruel Emma's first, last, and only dream was to be a princess. She dreamed of all the parties she would attend, the princes that would woo her, the gifts that she would receive. She would be the belle of the ball, and everyone would fight over her, just to have one dance! The delicacies would be fanciful, amazing, and she would have the prettiest dress, and all eyes would be on her... She'd eventually marry a prince, and settle down somewhere, maybe somewhere close to Armoroad or Tharsis, in her own private castle, with hundreds of her attendants waiting on her every hour of every day... But she would still be the most beautiful dancer in all the lands, and she'd dance every night with her beloved prince... ...Yeah... Turns out dance lessons aren't exactly cheap for a farmer's girl. They weren't exactly poor, per se: they lived comfortably enough, and Emma even had a decent education. The problem came later on, when she and her father found an injured man in the forest. They were allowed to attend a ball after they delivered the injured noble to the local doctor's. From there, Emma became fascinated with the richer life of the upper crust, from their table manners to their more refined dances. When that single night ended, she became obsessed with emulating that life. She would spend so much time buying random things that caught her attention, from odd little sculptures she insisted were much more refined than the average person could acknowledge to plays of romance and love. Soon she was demanding money from her father to take the dancing lessons and etiquette classes and, and, and... Well, let's just say that she may or may not have singlehandedly bankrupted her family. She did turn out to be a natural talent at dancing, but everything else that Emma insisted on learning she was a poor hand at. And it wasn't as if her family was going to help her reach her dreams. That was when she heard of the Yggdrasil Labyrinth, and all the riches and fame she'd get if she could conquer it. Well, she figured that she'd just latch onto a guild and see if she couldn't get her own riches! She was a pretty decent farm hand, at least, and all that dancing helped her be light on her feet, too, so she'd be able to help along the way, maybe. Draw attention from the monsters, and they'd not hit her. Hopefully. And hope that no one was watching her skin every animal they found. Gotta get that money in somehow, right? She's totally not desperate, nope, no sirree. BlackPersona fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Update 71: Frolic Playfully Through the Thirtieth Floor  And we open with the most exciting thing in the universe: selling the Great Dragon's scale. I got the Dragon Scale off-screen.     Today, we finish exploring the Labyrinth with the 30th floor.    That subtitle totally isn't ominous.     Almost every door in 30F begins a battle as soon as you walk through it.   Nothing special about this group, though.   So, here's 30F's gimmick: you walk through corridors, which each lead to doors that force encounters, and then you take a teleporter forward. Kind of simple and a little underwhelming for the final floor, if you ask me.      OH gently caress, OH GOD, OH poo poo, WHY TWO OF THEM, WHY THE SECOND BATTLE, WHY WHY WHY  Dinogator HP: 31243, STR: 93, TEC: 72, VIT: 73, AGI: 50, LUC: 72 Skills:
Disable resistances: A rare reptilian that likes to play with its food before devouring it. Don't be its dinner! Dinogators are basically super-FOEs that you can randomly run into behind doors on 30F. They're extremely dangerous if you're unprepared, and can easily cause a game over if you don't know what they can do. Playful Bite can kill almost all of the class roster even from full HP, and Pout is basically a guaranteed game over. Frolic is by far their most infamous skill (if only because of the original EO2), though, and it's really easily to be blindsided by it if you're used to binding random encounters to make them easier. One Dinogator is fairly manageable if you're prepared, but TWO of them can be a serious problem.  Binding one of the Dinogators' heads would be a serious mistake, but thankfully this doesn't work.  Getting unlucky here (and by unlucky I mean "one of them does anything but attack") could spell death for Ursa without Desperation.   No games, not pulling any punches. If I want to have any hope of killing these things, Ranger has to Transform immediately.  Stardust does the same stuff she always does.  Same for Milly.   Okay, I'll take that.  Oh crap.      Thank god I have one of these things.    Okay, that's better than having Ursa die upon revive.   Okay, Colette's dead and I have no way of reviving her, but that's fine, everything's fine.  Jesus Christ, even during Desperation Ursa still takes quite a beating from Playful Bite.  What would I do without Auto-Heal, honestly?  Okay, given that Ranger's hits are being distributed between the two of the Dinogators, this isn't that bad.   I want one of these things dead ASAP.  Good, good, the left one ate 7 of the hits...    This is winnable, better safe than sorry.     If this isn't enough to wipe the other one, I'm screwed.   I'm frankly kind of amazed I made it out of that alive, especially given that Colette spent most of the fight dead.  SYSTEM: It seems you have succesfully registered Dinogator on your Codex. You should return and show your Codex to the client. Yeah, uh, I kind of need to heal up after that, so might as well.       The Claw of Bonds is the semi-ultimate Beast weapon. It's considerably less good than the Wolfram Nail, since it only gives ATK, which isn't that great on a Beast. More importantly, we are DONE with quests. A dance with death, along with Crimson vengeance, are the two last non-DLC quests you get. Now that we've finished them both, we're 100% done with quests. Ignore me retaking the chicken quest, that's for something next update.   One rest later, and we're back at it.  Bloody Soldier HP: 2431, STR: 82, TEC: 63, VIT: 64, AGI: 48, LUC: 62 Skills:
Disable resistances: A monstrosity, its armor is soaked in the blood of those who died to its thirst for violence. Bloody Soldiers themselves aren't too bad, but the encounter formations they're put in very much are. They're deliberately put into formations consisting of the enemies that punish you for hurting but not killing them: High Crawlers, Carbuncles, and Lord Saguari. Bloody Blade'll set off (or help set off) their skills that respond to dying/being damaged, in addition to damaging your party pretty hard.   Unfortunately, nothing interesting happens in this battle. Logging the Bloody Soldier and those drops means that we now have every normal enemy, FOE, all but one boss, and all associated drops logged, though! All that's left is the superboss and its drop.   Peppering each of the corridors is a teleporter back to before the previous door.   Honestly, none of the random encounters here really scare or threaten me, besides the Dinogator(s). Stardust can usually wipe out most monsters in one go with Warrior Song, and Colette can put a stop to disables with Barrier. Hell, I can even take advantage of Ranger's slowness and have him pick off any enemies left behind after an all-target Formula.   ...I don't like the look of that.   Of course we had to have one last drat fog room. And there's Cursed Pumpkins and Petaloids too, just for good measure.   I killed the Icy Bulb and then killed this Pumpkin just to map out the initial part. Oh, by the way, there's only two shortcuts in 30F: one at the halfway point, and one at the end.   Yeah I'm not going through that mess without killing one of the Cursed Pumpkins. Screw that.   Here's the halfway point.   There's a small area here with each type of gathering point.   30F is honestly a pretty big anticlimax for the Labyrinth. It's just small corridors leading to teleporters, aside from that fog room.   This teleporter is a trap! It'll just send you back to the previous corridor. The only hint you get of this is that the door leading into this room didn't trigger an encounter.   This secret passage leads to the real way forward.   Christ. (Remember that Ancient Hermits summon Asterii when they get to low HP.)   We're now in the final room with FOEs. Almost every single tile here is designed to cause you problems, so pay attention.   Firstly, there's a Petaloid there.   Secondly, there's Asterios spawn points where each of them are on the map. Even walking forward one tile in the direction you automatically face after coming out of the teleporter in will trigger the one on the bottom.   And lastly, there's goddamn Cursed Pumpkins on the edges of the room.   The teleporter I marked with a pitfall trap will send you back to the room with the teleporter I marked with the 7 icon, while the bridge icon will send you back to the start of the floor.   I just said "gently caress it" and killed the pumpkin on the right.   In the top right corner of the room is this teleporter.   Which leads to the final room.   This door triggers narration as soon as you step in front of it. SYSTEM: The door before you radiates malice and danger as you've never felt in your journeys. You have come so far... Over your many travels, your strength and confidence have won your share of victories. Whatever lies beyond the door, you must face it with that same boldness and confidence. When you feel that you are ready, take hold of the door and open it to meet your fate! Fight well, and good luck!      SYSTEM: The demon you face must be that which ushers in the end of all things; the most powerful monster in the Labyrinth! There is little to do now but meet your foe in open combat. You confer with the rest of the party to ensure your equipment and inventory will suffice. You take a glance back at the demon... Once you are sure, all that remains is to fight! Meet the superboss: Ur-Child. I have a LOT of goddamn words about this thing, enough that I'm gonna give it an entire pre-fight overview before the final update. Before we conclude: 30F has one last secret. This is going to sound a bit bizarre, but to see it, you have to go through the teleporter I marked with a 7 (the one that leads to the big room with all the FOEs) once...and then loop back around and do it again.   Doing so will put you here. Don't open that door unless you want to suffer a painful death.   There's a shortcut back here, so no, you don't have to do that looping around business multiple times if you want to come here again.   I swap out Colette for Nadia.   Because behind this door lies...   A GUARANTEED FIGHT AGAINST A RARE BREED DINOGATOR. You might be asking: what does Nadia have to do with this? The answer is I decided to get the Pierced Fang using this thing. In retrospect, swapping out maybe Stardust for Jackie would've been a good idea, since her attacks would count as stab for the conditional but get the damage bonus from Dinogator's weaknesses, but eh. If you want to know how long this took: a solid 20 minutes of raw footage is dedicated to me trying to get the conditional. Killing this thing is, honestly, pretty easy. Getting the conditional isn't, since that 75% stab resistance means Nadia gets her damage cut pretty noticeably.   I get it in the end, though. The fight's not terribly interesting, it's just me hoping that Nadia paralyzes the thing and that Ranger and Stardust don't kill the Dinogator before Nadia can finish it off.   The chest has a Formaldehyde. And so our exploration of the Labyrinth is basically done. All that's left is Ur-Child. Oh, and Nadia 1v1'ing the Master Bird. I almost forgot about that. In fact, it's coming up next update.
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(This will be posted after every EO2U update until the LP is finished.) (Addendum: for EO2U early submissions, if you're thinking about submitting a character, I ask that you try and think of one for the classes that don't have as many submissions as the others. At the time of this post, this includes Dragoon, Necromancer, and Masurao.) This is your regular reminder that early EO5 character submissions are still open. For reference, we currently have the following submissions for each class: Fencer: Aniodia's Anya (1B), Poltergrift's Sette (4B), Pyro Jack's Florete (2A), BlackPersona's Emma (4A) Dragoon: BlackPersona's Nolan (3B), Grashbar's Sheila (2A) Cestus: Level Seven's Duke (3B), Tyty's Jill (2A), GeminiSun's Amelie (Earthrun F) Reaper: Dr. Fetus's Raven (1A), Tyty's Teyla (4A), Pyro Jack's Corvus (3B) Warlock: AweStriker's Nille (4B), Aniodia's Kaelin (3A), theshim's Aurora (4A) Necromancer: blizzardvizard's Jude (1A), Wonderslug's Morris (3A) Hound: Kemix's Ritz (1B), GeminiSun's Kaede (1A), mischievousart's Gram (4B) Masurao: GeminiSun's Momoka (1A), BlackPersona's Shin (3B) Shaman: Dr. Fetus's Gabbo (1A), Level Seven's Non (1B), Poltergrift's Paige (4A) Herbalist: Dr. Fetus's Wanna (4B), FriskyBoat's Dak (3A), mischeviousart's Caleb (3A), Pyro Jack's Cassie (4B) (alcharagia's Warlock is not listed because, being one of the co-authors of the LP, she is disqualified. Her entry was merely meant to stir up creativity.) Want to get in on submitting your own character if you haven't yet? The EO5 intro update is over here, and character creation info is here. Remember to provide a voice for your character (I forgot to put that in the creation info), which can be sampled in the intro update. Remember, also, that you're free to submit as many classes as you want, with the caveat that only one character from you can win. Also, here's some very sound advice regarding EO5's world and how it might affect characters from Clarste: Clarste posted:Frankly I'm not even sure if I should mention this, but reading all these character suggestions makes me wonder about how they'd fit into the setting of the world. I see a lot of profiles that talk about growing up in "the city" or whatever, and I just have to wonder how they got there. I mean, the city of Aeolis isn't a central metropolis or anything, it's a relatively small town that's currently undergoing a huge gold rush style boom now that exploration is legal. Basically none of the characters you meet were born there: they're all immigrants from all over the continent. Each race other than Earthrun also comes from a very specific culture, and it's implied that there's not normally all that much cross-pollination between the races. Like, Therians are from a Spartan culture where each child is trained to use a weapon from a young age, and to hunt for their own survival. Lunarians simply want to unlock the secrets of the universe, which maybe other people think is dabbling in things man was not meant to know. Brownies live in harmony with nature, but are also known for being especially materialistic and greedy. These three different cultures are basically at the center of why people want to explore Yggdrasil: for glory, knowledge, or treasure.
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I was laughing so hard when Ragnar told me he ran into the double Dinogator on a Steam conversation. Assuming you don't get massively unlucky and encounter 2 of the dang things, if you have a War Magus, the best way to deal with them is to bind them and then spam Barrier as long as they're bound since Frolic is the only move that they will use in that case. Ironic in that in trying to make them stronger, they were given a weakness.  Fun fact about Frolic, it had a 75% success rate in the original game!  It absolutely sucks as a Grimoire skill though. But that applies to most enemy Grimoire skills in this game. If you want your Hexer to roleplay as a Dinogator, just give them Stigmata.
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man don't you even try and fuckin tell me dinogators aren't cute as poo poo. cutest eo monster. adorable mommas
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Bonus: The 6th Stratum  Okay, let's start our file back up and begin the post-game.  Knight is back with absolutely no explanation, and don't expect anyone to comment on that. In fact, everything that happens from now on is essentially non-cannon as far as the game is concerned, because Knight is actually taking a vacation in Armoroad at this very moment. Yeah they pretty much went for a sequel hook instead of an actual ending, because that's such a great way to end a story. And with how badly EO2U did sales wise, who knows if we're even getting an EO3U. Anyways, there is some new dialogue in Story so let's see what the townsfolk have to say. These all count as their floor 26 dialogue.       Well, there was some unfinished business in Overlord's throne room. Let's go back there and take a look.   Now with the plot effectively vaporized, there is nothing stopping us from going up these stairs anymore.  DS Version    Okay, I'm going to be honest here. I loved the look of the Forbidden Wood in the original game and loved the music that played here. In the remake, not so much. In my opinion, the Forbidden Wood got a massive visual downgrade, as it just kind of looks like a regular old forest now. Also I really hate what they did with the music. It was originally a peaceful track, and then the remake turned it into elevator music. As a kicker, the post-game in EO2U is way more pathetic than EOU's. None of the encounters or FOEs here are remotely a threat as long as you don't play like an idiot. The bosses are a different story, but what can you expect from such a well designed game like EO2U? Anyways don't expect me to show most of it off. There aren't any events up here, and there's only one thing the Story mode party even pipes up for in here. And since this is one of the few times we'll be seeing this place, I'll just put in both audio only conversations that can play here. Here's the first one: And here's the final audio only conversation in the game: And here are the rest of the town dialogues. Floor 27:       Before I go onto floor 28, there is something I want to show off first.   Ragnar showed off the correct solution to this platform puzzle, but there's actually an alternate solution you can pull off. One the devs did not see coming.   Oops I broke it.  The platform is even clipping into the flowers.   Oh and the ending of The volt king's rampage quest is different if you have a Survivalist or a Gunner in the party. Ragnar had neither by the time he did this quest, so I'll show off what happens if you have a Survivalist. You have defeated the fearsome legendary dragon! At last you relax, pausing to catch your breath after the harsh battle... ...Suddenly, the dragon bolts--whirling into the sky, flying despite its grievous wounds! If you do not interfere, the dragon will return to wreak further havoc, fully healed and filled with hatred! ...Against all expectation, you see something else appear in the sky. The figure glides through the sky faster than your eyes can follow, on a direct collision course with the dragon! ...All at once, it hits you. You recall the quest from Abigail, to rescue the young monster whose parents had been slain... There can be no mistaking it. The figure diving towards the Storm Emperor... is that very chick! It may be that the chick wishes to repay you, but it doesn't stand a chance against a legendary dragon! You cast around desperately, trying to determine some way to help!  You hear someone behind you cry out, and something falls into Flavio's hands. ...It's a bow. When you look behind you, you see the chief of the winged ones nodding, eyes ablaze with determination. Flavio loads an arrow into the bow that Canaan passed off, draws the string, and shoots the dragon! The arrow cuts through the sky, and pierces the dragon's forehead, burying deep! The dragon's head snaps back, the shot slaying it instantly. It plummets to the ground. You have saved the monster! Now safe, the monster flaps down to you and hops happily about your feet. As you fondly watch the triumphant chick frolic, Canaan approaches you.   If you didn't save the baby monster earlier and don't have a Survivalist or Gunner in the party, Canaan snipes the Storm Emperor himself. And I kid you not, you can actually accuse him of kill stealing.   His gaze falls to the bow, and he gestures towards it. Canaan nods his head in understanding. His gaze falls to the bow, and he gestures towards it.  Oh yeah, there are “ultimate” weapons you can get from quests. Most of them kind of suck, but a few of them are more useful than what you can buy in the store. This is not one of those weapons.  The monster chick flaps up into the air, cheeping, and flies off into the sky. You watch the two leave, and take one last moment to look at the Throne of Thunder. The Throne's master has been slain. You have defeated the thunder dragon. For your efforts, you now hold the most powerful bow in existence. Congratulations! All that remains is for you to return to the bar when you have time, and report your success! “Fun” fact about this quest in the original. The game only asked if you had a Survivalist in the party. Which was one of the worst classes in the game. A Gunner did not count for that quest. And if the monster decided to help out here, it would flat out die. Even though it was just flavor text, people weren't really happy about the game essentially saying “gently caress you for not using one of the worst classes in the game.” So in the remake, the monster just gets injured instead, but lives in the end. Anyways, let's take a look at some more Story mode exclusive town dialogue. Floor 28:    Dialogue merges here.    Floor 29:    Pictured: Either the original writing team in Japan, or the localization screwing up. So in the original game, there was an extra plot that took place in the 6th Stratum aside from trying to kill Overlord's ultimate creation. There were actually a bunch of post-game quests in the original game which were kind of themed around stronger than usual monsters coming down to the lower Strata. Canaan and the party find out that opening the way to the 6th Stratum also opened the way for an army of monsters to come down from the 6th Stratum straight to High Lagaard. Floor 29 is where the party finds out they screwed up big time, and that's why Dubois says those lines in the original game. I have no idea why those lines are in the remake, since that plot got cut out entirely. There is only one new dialogue in Story on floor 30:  Now there's one last thing I want to show off.  The rest of the guild raises no objection. If you have come to a decision, then the time is nigh to act upon it!   This is Ur-Child, the true final boss of the game, and the final test of Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold!  Which I'm not showing off. I'll let Ragnar Homsar field that one-and wow that is really lucky. Happened to get 2 of his drops right there.  But its power is so incredible that it seems the battle will never end... At last, however, victory appears to be nigh! You land a powerful blow on the demon's forehead and it recoils in pain! The fiend collapses onto the floor, its body dissolving into light... As you catch your breath in anticipation, the monster completely disappears. You nod to the woman and, with a swelling sense of fulfillment at conquering the Yggdrasil Labyrinth, take your leave. There is some new town dialogue after beating Ur-Child.    Dialogue merges here. And that's it for the 6th Stratum and everything in Story mode! Thanks for reading this little side LP of Story mode! 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alcharagia posted:man don't you even try and fuckin tell me dinogators aren't cute as poo poo. cutest eo monster. adorable mommas R.I.P. Dinogator Avatar.  Dr. Fetus posted:What's that? I'm forgetting something? Nah, I'm pretty sure there's nothing... R.I.P. Dr. Fetus
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Oct 12, 2016 07:29
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I like that the plot party does get some more reactions if you take them through the postgame, however little sense that makes.
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Oct 13, 2016 01:36
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The Original Sin: The poo poo Show Begins  Well, no point in putting this off for any longer.   Behold, the best Arianna expression. Probably the only good part of this DLC.  A new destination is available to us.     So this DLC isn't just a boss fight, it's an entirely new floor.   Apparently satisfied that you should continue on as normal, you move onward on the path. So this floor has no random encounters whatsoever, but that's to make the floor gimmick slightly more tolerable. You see, the FOEs here have completely random movement! There is no guaranteed way to get past them and reach the end of the floor. The only thing predictable about them is that they will chase you when they spot you, and even knowing that doesn't help much. This poo poo show is off to a great start.   Anyways, here's the FOE in question.   Anomalocaris Level: 99 HP: 32399 STR: 99 TEC: 76 VIT: 70 AGI: 62 LUC: 74 Exp: 240000 Attack Type: Bash Skills:
Disable resistances: Description: A wriggling crustacean that made its home in the forest, where it has no shortage of prey... Anomalocaris are just annoying FOEs. Random movement patterns and they're massive nuisances in battle. They can drain your TP, and instantly kill off one of your party members, forcing you to waste resources to bring them back.      Standard setup stuff. Gonna try to blind the FOE so I don't have to deal with it.  Well that didn't work out.   Geez, look at how much TP that took off!   And Arianna is really in a pickle right now.  Flavio lands the blind on the next turn, meaning that this thing is now just a sitting duck.   It goes down shortly.  Now the fight isn't too bad if you blow your Force Breaks and stuff on it. The problem is, that's not really a feasible strategy for dealing with every one of the critters. The Anomalocaris has a really short respawn time, so you can't dilly dally in a room for long. Not only that...   They respawn the instant you leave the Labyrinth! So yeah, no going back to take breaks. And these fights are really annoying if you don't abuse Force.   There are also fog rooms on this floor, which do reduce their sight range. But again, that's not really helpful depending on how fickle the RNG is. In fact, I can't actually tell you how to get through this floor because someone thought random movement FOEs were a good idea. Well there is one way. Turn the difficulty down to Picnic, and try to rush through the floor, killing any FOEs that get in your way. That is the only tolerable way to get through this bullshit. And to think we're not even at the main attraction yet.   Oh and this is what the only chest on this floor contains. Might want to stock up on these, just saying. Anyways, you might have noticed a Take spot on this floor. The materials you can get from it are Bloody Dew, Solomon's Seal, and Antler Fungus. Those make some very special items. Let's go back and see what our loot makes.  The Thorny Barbel makes the Ancient Tendril. Which is a whip that has a 10% chance to bind all body parts. Yeah, not that useful.  The Bloody Dew makes the Eye of Time, which instantly revives all FOEs and bosses when you go back to town. Handy, I suppose.  The Solomon's Seal makes the Healing Remedy, which fully restores the party's HP and TP. The catch? It can't be used in battle, only on the field. Pass.  Antler Funguses makes the Over Somas, which are probably the most useful item from this. What it does is it heals the party for 100 HP, however it can also overheal them up to that amount as well. It's handy for this DLC's boss, especially if you have party members who max HP totals under 501. The overheal only lasts for the turn this gets applied though, and the effects don't stack with other Over Somas. We'll confront the Deepest Darkness next time. 
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Oct 13, 2016 05:29
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Sorry for the really short update, but this entire thing had to be split up into a couple of parts, and I needed a good place to split it off. Strap yourselves in, because this is gonna be a bumpy ride.
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Oct 13, 2016 05:33
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Dr. Fetus posted:Sorry for the really short update, but this entire thing had to be split up into a couple of parts, and I needed a good place to split it off. Strap yourselves in, because this is gonna be a bumpy ride. Thanks for showing this off in advance, Fetus. I haven't touched this DLC at all (And the Treasures Untold one...), so this is new ground for me.
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Oct 13, 2016 05:37
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Anyone who went through the Anomalocaris floor on Normal or Expert mode has my condolences.
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Oct 13, 2016 05:55
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Anyone who went through the Anomalocaris floor on Normal or Expert mode has my condolences. ahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA loving SHOOT ME Doing 31F legit on Expert was one of the most frustrating experiences I've ever gotten from a video game and I think everyone here will agree with me when I didn't want to do it again.
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Oct 13, 2016 05:58
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The point of having a map is being able to plan out moves ahead of time to avoid FOEs. Completely random patterns kills any chance of planning, especially with the goddamn fog. Also makes it really stupid trying to learn how to fight this upcoming pain in the rear end. Am I remembering things wrong in that the Anomalocaris could sense you through doorways?
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Oct 13, 2016 06:05
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FYI if your party doesn't have a Protector or a Beast (Do not have both or multiples of each. Bad things happen if you do that.), and have your party members above 600 HP, you've already lost the fight. I wish I could say I was joking. Also do not do the fight blind. I don't know how you would even accomplish that. Level Seven posted:Am I remembering things wrong in that the Anomalocaris could sense you through doorways? Thankfully, they can't.
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Oct 13, 2016 06:19
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They don't sense you through doors, but their aggressiveness seems to trigger very arbitrarily. I remember trying to test it on Picnic mode and I'm pretty sure one reacted to me while facing a completely different direction and being more than five tiles away.Ragnar Homsar posted:ahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA loving SHOOT ME Wow. No wonder you hate this DLC so much. Not that you'd need much more reason to beyond what it already is, but still.
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Oct 13, 2016 06:30
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Jesus christ. Who at Atlus made this poo poo?! The fact you are 'recommended' (AKA: Forced) to have a Level 198 (I count those 99 levels you retired with) party to even feasibly do this DLC makes it only worse. I don't even want to imagine what the SMT4:A DLC is gonna require. Well, I already know it's pretty much forced to have a maxed out (level cap broken, thank god THAT one was free DLC) Nanaki to even attempt it.
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Oct 13, 2016 06:38
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Kemix posted:Jesus christ. Who at Atlus made this poo poo?! The fact you are 'recommended' (AKA: Forced) to have a Level 198 (I count those 99 levels you retired with) party to even feasibly do this DLC makes it only worse. I don't even want to imagine what the SMT4:A DLC is gonna require. Well, I already know it's pretty much forced to have a maxed out (level cap broken, thank god THAT one was free DLC) Nanaki to even attempt it. ...Isn't having a maxed out protagonist by the end of an SMT story normal for those games? I've only really played Apocalypse in any great capacity, and I had a level 99 Nanashi quite a bit before even reaching YHVH.
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Oct 13, 2016 06:44
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Ahh, 31F. I got to the really large room before clocking on to what was going on. I dropped down to Picnic, stocked the gently caress up and had a right old time. I like playing games on the hardest difficulty, but I can only be pushed so far before I just go gently caress it.
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Oct 13, 2016 06:51
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Update 72: 1v1 Me (Nadia vs. Master Bird)      If you're gonna do a one-on-one fight with the Master Bird for real, you're pretty much gonna need a Survivalist. A Dark Hunter might be able to manage, but a Survivalist gets the benefit of the Blind Effect Up food and can hit the Master Bird's stab weakness. You'll notice that the main change to Nadia's skill build is that she now has Sleep Arrow maxed out and has a level 10 Grimoire of it, compared to Paralysis Arrow. This is because, remember, the Master Bird is immune to paralysis, but can be hit with sleep. The Dragon Orb's also here to nullify Crimson Cyclone, which'll give me a bunch of free turns to do whatever late in the fight.    Master Bird's dialogue is the same, up until you accept his challenge.    VIDEO: Nadia vs. Master Bird    First thing to do is put the Master Bird to sleep to give Nadia two turns to use Bravants on herself.      Now Nadia has +30% damage for 9 turns.  Rule of thumb with Survivalists is to spam Multi-Shot if you can't use Hazy Arrow or an ailment arrow. Blind Arrow wouldn't do much here since the sleep wears off after the ailment check is done, and sleep's higher on the hierarchy than blind.   Kinda sucks that the sleep bonus damage only applies to the first hit, but whatever.  Blinding/evading the Master Bird until he starts spamming Crimson Cyclone is absolutely crucial.     And now Nadia has a couple of free turns to spam Hazy Arrow.   Chewing through 30k HP when Nadia's strongest attack deals that much will take quite a bit, especially given that I can't dodge attacks forever.   I get two more turns of this before the blind wears off.  At which point I enable Illusion Step, since we're not at the Crimson Cyclone part yet.  I used Multi-Shot here for some reason, even though Hazy Arrow was perfectly available.  Illusion Step's...not terrible. For what's basically free damage on top of complete evasion, you could do worse.      Now that Illusion Step's worn off, I take my chances with Sleep Arrow again, since the accumulative resistance should've worn off by this point.    And now I should be in the clear.  Yep.  Couple more turns of that plus Multi-Shot later, and... The accumulative resistance to blind should've worn off, so I re-inflict it to get Hazy Arrow going again.    What follows is more Hazy Arrow spam, until...   1v1ing the Master Bird relies on at least some RNG, but not too much. If you know how to build your Survivalist for it, it's honestly a pretty easy fight.  Nadia's one-on-one victory results in the Gold Belt, which gives +100 HP and +5 to all stats. It's pretty much the best possible accessory for any class, and I re-fight the chicken a few more times to outfit the Ur-Child party. Well, that was certainly something resembling a spectacle. Next time: Ur-Child, and after that, the end.
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Oct 13, 2016 08:09
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Pre-Final Update: Ur-Child pre-fight overview Ur-Child HP: 140000, STR: 97, TEC: 94, VIT: 73, AGI: 60, LUC: 83 Skills:
Disable resistances: The origin of all life created by the Ruler of Heaven, more powerful than even the Overlord!  Origin Bud HP: 10000, STR: 97, TEC: 94, VIT: 73, AGI: 60, LUC: 83 Skills:
Disable resistances: Protects the Ur-Child and catalyzes its evolution. Do not fall prey to the Ur-Child... Pattern
gently caress UR-CHILD. Ur-Child exmplifies everything wrong with EO2U's boss design: a strict pattern that's designed to severely punish you for not memorizing it beforehand, summons that do nothing but prolong the fight and punish you for not killing them within a strict time limit, kill moves you can't possibly see coming on the first time around, and monstrous HP inflation. 140k HP is already way too loving much, that's over DOUBLE what the Great Dragon had, and that was already a loving annoying HP sponge, but then you factor in the fact that Ur-Child's gonna cast Noble Rest three times, and you realize that it effectively has closer to 170k HP! I will admit, I do like the idea of Ur-Child manipulating your Force--however, just flat breaking or completely restoring it isn't that great of an implementation, and it doesn't really add much to the fight as a whole. In fact, it can actually seriously gently caress you over. Notice how Ur-Child waits until Turn 8 to cast Sunlight's Dawn in Phase 5. If you don't wait for that turn and instead knock it down to below 30% HP, you are NOT getting your Force back for the rest of the fight, which is pretty goddamn bad with the two back-to-back summons of Origin Buds right after it. Value of Solitude deserves special mention, by the way. It is the worst kind of gently caress you to the player--it not only punishes you for not knowing the pattern ahead of time in Phase 4, it can just randomly loving happen in Phases 6 and 7! Don't have an easy way to kill someone, even if you know the pattern? gently caress you, then, hope you can bind Ur-Child's legs! Oh, yeah, speaking of binds, Ur-Child's also immune to every useful disable. Did you like using Hexers up to this point? Too bad, they're considerably less useful for Ur-Child, to the point where I consider them actively garbage. Arm and leg binds only disable a couple of anciliary skills (although leg binds DO disable Value of Solitude), poison is absolutely laughable this late in the game, and blind's only really useful if you have the Blind Effect Up food on, and even then, you can only inflict it a few times throughout the fight. The Origin Buds are also a special kind of hell. 10k HP is non-trivial to burn through, and you have to kill both of them within 3 turns for most instances in the fight, and you have to do it twice in a row for Phase 6. Failed to meet that time limit? Enjoy an unavoidable game over, since Twilight's Gleam ensures you'll never have either Perfect Defense or True Endurance for Eternal Exodus. So, I imagine you're probably wondering what my strategy is. This is the party I will be bringing to Ur-Child: Front row Back row That should do it for my thoughts on Ur-Child. Get ready, because tomorrow, it all ends.
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(This will be posted after every EO2U update until the LP is finished.) (Addendum: for EO2U early submissions, if you're thinking about submitting a character, I ask that you try and think of one for the classes that don't have as many submissions as the others. At the time of this post, this includes Dragoon, Necromancer, and Masurao.) This is your regular reminder that early EO5 character submissions are still open. For reference, we currently have the following submissions for each class: Fencer: Aniodia's Anya (1B), Poltergrift's Sette (4B), Pyro Jack's Florete (2A), BlackPersona's Emma (4A) Dragoon: BlackPersona's Nolan (3B), Grashbar's Sheila (2A) Cestus: Level Seven's Duke (3B), Tyty's Jill (2A), GeminiSun's Amelie (Earthrun F) Reaper: Dr. Fetus's Raven (1A), Tyty's Teyla (4A), Pyro Jack's Corvus (3B) Warlock: AweStriker's Nille (4B), Aniodia's Kaelin (3A), theshim's Aurora (4A) Necromancer: blizzardvizard's Jude (1A), Wonderslug's Morris (3A) Hound: Kemix's Ritz (1B), GeminiSun's Kaede (1A), mischievousart's Gram (4B) Masurao: GeminiSun's Momoka (1A), BlackPersona's Shin (3B) Shaman: Dr. Fetus's Gabbo (1A), Level Seven's Non (1B), Poltergrift's Paige (4A) Herbalist: Dr. Fetus's Wanna (4B), FriskyBoat's Dak (3A), mischeviousart's Caleb (3A), Pyro Jack's Cassie (4B) (alcharagia's Warlock is not listed because, being one of the co-authors of the LP, she is disqualified. Her entry was merely meant to stir up creativity.) Want to get in on submitting your own character if you haven't yet? The EO5 intro update is over here, and character creation info is here. Remember to provide a voice for your character (I forgot to put that in the creation info), which can be sampled in the intro update. Remember, also, that you're free to submit as many classes as you want, with the caveat that only one character from you can win. Also, here's some very sound advice regarding EO5's world and how it might affect characters from Clarste: Clarste posted:Frankly I'm not even sure if I should mention this, but reading all these character suggestions makes me wonder about how they'd fit into the setting of the world. I see a lot of profiles that talk about growing up in "the city" or whatever, and I just have to wonder how they got there. I mean, the city of Aeolis isn't a central metropolis or anything, it's a relatively small town that's currently undergoing a huge gold rush style boom now that exploration is legal. Basically none of the characters you meet were born there: they're all immigrants from all over the continent. Each race other than Earthrun also comes from a very specific culture, and it's implied that there's not normally all that much cross-pollination between the races. Like, Therians are from a Spartan culture where each child is trained to use a weapon from a young age, and to hunt for their own survival. Lunarians simply want to unlock the secrets of the universe, which maybe other people think is dabbling in things man was not meant to know. Brownies live in harmony with nature, but are also known for being especially materialistic and greedy. These three different cultures are basically at the center of why people want to explore Yggdrasil: for glory, knowledge, or treasure.
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Oct 13, 2016 08:11
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The Original Sin: Ur-Devil   Indeed... all your senses and experiences are telling you that this entity possesses power beyond anything you've ever known! Knowing that, and feeling the raw malice radiating from this being, you immediately understand that it must be defeated! Are you fully prepared for the momentous battle that awaits? If you are, then there is no need for further words! Here, at the zenith of High Lagaard's Yggdrasil, confront and slay the deepest darkness of the Labyrinth! Oh boy, here we go.  Here's the food effect I'm making use of. It makes the upcoming fight MUCH more tolerable. Also I normally don't do this, but I'll tell you what my inventory consists of for this fight:
    Every single character in my party has been Trained at level 99, so they all have an extra 10 points in each stat, and 10 extra skill points to work with. Knight is the main damage dealer for this fight. It's important to have Transform active as long as possible so he can accomplish that goal. Also I wasn't mixing and matching Grimoires from other classes before, but now I am. I need every bit of help I can for this fight.     Chloe is one of my secondary damage dealers, but she's also gonna be playing a support role, ensuring that the boss will get locked out of using more of its more important moves.     Flavio is my other secondary damage dealer, who is also playing a support role. He's probably one of the most important supports in my party, allowing me to scout out what the boss is going to do, and effectively buying me a few free turns with his skillset. Blind and Poison are the only ailments the boss can be hit by, so there is absolutely no point in investing in Paralysis and Sleep Arrow.     Bertrand's main role is ensuring that the party does not die. Not an exciting role, but an important one. If he dies at the wrong time, I am hosed. Plain and simple.     Arianna is the party's safety net. There is little room to screw up in this fight, but Dauntless Order can get me a bit more wiggle room to work with. And yeah, my equipment setup is mostly the same for most of my party members. Everyone except Flavio has Dragonbanes purely for the 5 point stat boost it gives them. I'd give one to Flavio, but he can't use Swords. Everyone is in a bikini because armor honestly does not matter at all for this fight. The boss' physicals will either kill the party, or they won't. There isn't much middle ground. The boss' elementals are survivable with the Bikini Armor, though. The Gold Belts are for the extra 100 HP and the 5 point boost to all stats.  And as a courtesy, proof that I am doing this on Expert. There is actually a reward for defeating this boss on that difficulty. You get no such thing when doing so on Picnic and Standard. I'm going to warn you, if you're going to do this fight on Expert, your party members need at least 501 HP if you're using Over Somas. If not, they need at least 601 HP. Also no matter what difficulty you do this fight on, you need a Protector or a Beast! But don't bring both, or bad things happen. Another thing to note, if you tried to look up how people handle this fight, you would pretty much see mostly cheese parties and no one even bothering to do it legitimately. Allow me to show you the reason why no one in their right mind would bother to attempt such a thing!   Here we go.   Here it is. The ultimate Ur-Devil Level: 99 HP: 280000 STR: 99 TEC: 99 VIT: 75 AGI: 65 LUC: 85 Exp: 999999 Attack Type: Cut Skills:
Disable resistances: Description: The ultimate evolution created by the Ruler of Heaven. It has the power of ruin and reckoning. Wait, what the gently caress? Overlord thought Ur-Child wasn't enough, so he created something even more powerful than it!? Uh, moving on. That's quite the skillset, huh? If that wasn't enough, it also has a ridiculously elaborate attack pattern, like Ur-Child. But whereas Ur-Child's attack pattern was a flawed execution of testing your Force management skills, Ur-Devil's attack pattern can simply be described as a mountain of failure conditions! One tiny mistake can cost you the fight, and there are plenty of points where that could happen. To prevent your eyes from glazing over more than they probably already have, I'll post pieces of his attack pattern one at a time. Phase 1:
On Picnic, Ur-Devil will transition to phase 2 once he drops below 51% (142800). On Standard, the HP threshold is 67% (187600). On Expert, the HP threshold is 76% (212800). Also this fight is a bit unique in that Ur-Devil's attack pattern depends entirely upon which difficulty you choose to fight it on. Since I'm on Expert, I have to deal with the whole thing. Well, let's get this started.  Before I have Knight Transform, I want to get up to around 150 Force for him first.  Chloe will deal some damage.  Now Ur-Devil likes to do this thing where it follows a specific pattern, but the first move in said pattern is randomized. Blinding Ur-Devil will not only give me a few free turns, it also lets me know what its pattern is going to be.  Selfless Strength will fully drain the party's TP, effectively leaving them helpless. I'll have Bertrand take one for the team. He won't need to use his skills for a good while, anyway.  Arianna will buff the front row.   Time for Bertrand to take one for the team.  Yeah, take a good look at all that TP damage. Oh I should note those numbers are because of the damage reduction from Hit-Taker. If I just let the entire party get hit by Selfless Strength, they would have lost over 1300 TP!  I'll just say that my entire strategy revolves entirely around not dealing with Ur-Devil's pattern in the first place. I don't feel like playing guessing games, so I'll just make it so that Ur-Devil can't hit me at all. Flavio's chances of landing Blind on Ur-Devil for each stack of Accumulative Resistance Ur-Devil builds up are approximately 162%, 129%, 97%, 64%, and 32%. He only has 1 less point of luck than Ur-Devil, so the chances are only slightly lower. Not that it really matters in the first place. So I essentially have 2 guaranteed Blinds, 1 almost guaranteed, 1 with an okay chance of landing, and one with a really low chance of landing. I'll have to make those inflictions count.  ...That was only less than 1% of Ur-Devil's total HP. Yeeeeep, we are in for a long fight!  Standard setup.  This is Flavio's best damage move for now.  Thanks to Ur-Devil being blind, Bertrand doesn't need to do anything vital for a few turns. So he was the perfect candidate to sacrifice. But I won't build up his TP back up just yet. I want to ensure that Knight's Force gauge reaches 150.   It seems I'll have to watch out for Behold my Power on the next loop. As much as I would love to not have to deal with this thing's attack patterns more than once...  I'm not exactly taking off a lot of its HP here.  Ah, excellent. Knight's Force gauge has reached the right amount.  Which means I can really start dishing out damage to Ur-Devil! Also prepare to hear that song a lot throughout this battle.  Pity the Weak or Dance with Lunacy will be used on the next turn. While Pity the Weak can be avoided, Dance with Lunacy is purely a status move, so Blind won't do a thing to it. However, it uses the arms, so I'll have Chloe Arm bind Ur-Devil so I can scout out which skills to look out for from now on.  Unfortunately, this is Flavio's other only real damage option for now.  I'll have Bertrand spend a few turns building his TP pool back up.  Arianna will help dish out the pain.  ...Yeah, not that great. Having a level 20 version wouldn't have helped all that much either, as Flavio would have done 1100 instead of 800 damage. Whoopee.   All according to plan.  And this lets me know to look out for My Wrath on the next loop.  If I didn't have the blind food in effect, I would have had to guess which elemental move it would have used on this turn. And if I got unlucky, several of my party members would have died.   5300 damage would normally be a respectable amount of damage, but it's only just less than 2% of Ur-Devil's max HP. But this is the best I can dish out right now.  Oh sorry, 6800 points of damage. Which isn't much better.  Finishing up the combo.  And this is Flavio's main source of damage for this fight, and the move I'm going all in on. Since I don't intend for Ur-Devil to attack me that often, Flavio should get off a decent amount of Hazy Arrows.  That was from Sagittarius Shot, for the record.  That's from Hazy Arrow. Not on the level of Chloe's damage output, but every little bit helps.  Oh good. If Pity the Weak is all I have to look out for on the next loop, then Chloe can just keep throwing out Ailing Slashes instead of having to toss up a Barrier.     That's a total of 11495 damage, which is only 4% of Ur-Devil's max HP. We've still got a ways to go.  Since Knight isn't gonna be dealing damage this turn, I swapped Bertrand to the front row.  It's absolutely important for Knight to be Transformed as long as possible. You saw how much damage he was dealing compared to Chloe and Flavio.   Howling Winds is pretty much guaranteed to kill a party member. The only saving grace of the skill is that it's less accurate than Ur-Devil's other moves. Which isn't saying much, because its base accuracy is 99.  At the end of the first loop, Ur-Devil will cast this move.  Which restores a decent amount of TP to the front row. That's why I had Bertrand move up there, so he wouldn't have to keep eating Amrita IIs. Oh yes, he only does this once, so don't try to stall out this phase hoping to get more TP back for your party. Not only that, if you let the phase loop 3 times, Ur-Devil will cast Twilight's Gleam at the end of the 3rd loop (after 13 turns pass), which completely breaks your party's Force gauges. Essentially if you let the fight reach that point, the fight becomes completely unwinnable! I have to deal over 67200 points of damage in 13 turns or I lose. And considering the party's damage output, I'm on an extremely tight time limit here.  I'm swapping Knight back to the front row and preparing to make use of Accelerate.  Unfortunately, the blind wore off, and I really don't want to have to focus on dealing enough damage in time and dealing with Ur-Devil's skills at the same time, so I'm gonna inflict it again.  If Bertrand has nothing better to do, I'll just use Shield Smite for some extra damage.   Meh.   It's not looking too good at this point.    I really hope I can get to the next phase in time.  I'm using Shock Circle instead of Link Order here, because the overall DPS I'll dish out here is way more than if I had Arianna just use Link Order. For one thing, Link Order only scales off of the base damage. And if whoever set it off used a Charge skill beforehand, the damage boost from the charge doesn't get factored into Link Order's damage. I need to optimize as much as I can to win this fight.     That was around a total of 16400 damage! The unfortunate part? In some of my failed attempts, that wasn't enough to drag Ur-Devil into the next phase. This means I am nowhere near out of the woods yet.   Just because my party hasn't taken any bit of damage whatsoever doesn't mean I have the upper hand in this fight. Not even close.  And blowing Akashic Nova just to get to the next phase is beyond stupid. So instead, I'll cancel Knight's Transformation.  Eh, why not? It's not like her Force Boost is that important.  I have Arianna set up Dauntless Orders in case something goes very wrong. What it does is it places an endure effect on a row for a few turns. If someone takes a mortal blow, they have an 80% chance of surviving and being healed for a bit. If I make a mistake, this skill is my only safety net.    I don't need your pity.  The reason I wanted Knight's Force gauge to reach 150 was so I could Transform as soon as possible when I used Force Reset. Though I don't want to blow my Force just yet, so I set up a Delayed Chase instead.  Arianna has nothing better to do, so why not? Besides, I need all the TP I can get for this fight.   I'm surprised the 2nd blind has lasted this long. I was willing to activate Chloe's Force Boost just to increase my damage output if necessary.   There is a way to deal with this move that doesn't involve blinding Ur-Devil, but I haven't found the need to use that method yet.  I am taking a really big risk here. If I time this wrong, I'll lose the fight. Knight only has 1 free turn to burn here while Transformed.    I don't have that many turns left before Ur-Devil uses Twilight's Gleam, so I'll activate Flavio's Force Boost to get some extra damage in.     I love the Apple Matcha Shaved Ice.    Holy crap, yes! I got to the 2nd phase just in time! And yes, Ur-Devil has adds as well, because of course he does. The worst part? Until you take them out, Ur-Devil's damage resistances drop to 0%, meaning that it takes no damage while the adds are alive. And unlike Ur-Child, Ur-Devil is still considered a valid target, meaning that using random target moves to deal with the adds aren't going to be effective. Oh right, the adds. Ur-Eye (Red) Level: 99 HP: 11000 STR: 99 TEC: 99 VIT: 75 AGI: 65 LUC: 85 Exp: 0 Attack Type: Bash Skills:
Disable resistances: Also here's Ur-Devil's attack pattern in phase 2. Phase 2:
On Picnic, Ur-Devil will go back to phase 1 and will not do any more phase transitions, meaning that the first phase permanently loops. He will however, start off by casting Selfless Strength, so be careful about that. On Standard and Expert, Ur-Devil moves onto phase 3. So yeah. The Ur-Eyes need to be killed as soon as possible. Because they use Death's Glimmer every other turn, which is pretty much guaranteed to succeed, though Fairy's Robe can block it. However, see how Ur-Devil uses Know thy Reason on turns 3 and 6? What that move does is deals 3000% AOE damage to everyone, but its damage type is randomly chosen from any available Ur-Eyes. So in this case it would deal Fire damage to everyone, but that's easily blocked with Fire Wall. The problem is, if I kill the Ur-Eyes on those very turns, Know thy Reason becomes an Almighty attack! Which cannot be defended against at all, so I lose if that happens. Why not just use Perfect Defense on it? Because that's against the rules. You'll see what I mean by that later.  The reason I said Knight only had 1 free turn during Transform is because I need 2 turns to take advantage of Accelerate.   I activate Chloe's Force Boost so she can soften up the Ur-Eyes. Also because I plan on using Fairy's Robe in case something goes horribly wrong.  11 tuns in, and we've only taken off that much HP.  Flavio will soften up the other Ur-Eye.  At the start of an Ur-Eye phase, Ur-Devil will use Noble Rest to undo some of your progress. Jerk.     Preparations are in order.  Oh yes, Darkness Shroud.  What it does is that it completely purges all buffs from your party. If a party member does not have any buffs, they are instantly killed. This cannot be blocked, not even with Fairy's Robe! Forget to buff your party? Sorry, you lose.  Oh and it also places an HP recovery debuff, but considering that most of Ur-Devil's moves end up killing you outright instead of dealing a bit of damage, the debuff is a bit inconsequential.    This is the reason I didn't want to blow Akashic Nova early. This is the only way I can safely destroy all the Ur-Eyes without having to deal with the entire phase.  But even with Akashic Nova, Knight can't kill the Ur-Eyes by himself, so Flavio will finish them off.   Unfortunately, when the Ur-Eyes get killed, they target their killer with a 2000% TEC damage elemental attack! And as insult to injury, it deals splash damage. This is why everyone except Knight has an elemental wall Grimoire equipped, so they can block that move.     The main reason I had Knight use Accelerate was so he could get priority and go before the Ur-Eyes could use Death's Glimmer. Also that's convenient, taking them out before Flavio could get off his Force Break.    Yeah no, not happening.   For the record, there is absolutely no point in saving your Force Breaks at this time.  And-oh gently caress, I forgot he used Dance with Lunacy on this turn!  Yeah, that was not worth 2000 extra damage.  And here comes this move.  May as well set up with Knight here.  Fortunately, I still have Fairy's Robe available, so I can purge off the status effects easily.   Oh yeah, remember when I said using Perfect Defense is against the rules? This is why.     Because it casts a move called Eternal Exodus. What it does is it deals deals 3000% Almighty damage to each party member, which equates to 6000 points of damage, and hits everyone up to 3 times each! It cannot miss, and Ur-Devil cannot be prevented from casting this since it's immune to every single status effect aside from Poison and Blind. Meaning that if you do not have a Protector or Beast in the party you cannot win the fight! Perfect Defense and True Endurance are the only ways to deal with this move. Well apparently someone discovered a way to survive it without those, but that involves a Medic, Sovereign, and a Troubadour. And we don't have all of them. I am literally not allowed to use Perfect Defense for anything else in this fight, or I will make it unwinnable. Also, Eternal Exodus will still kill you even on Picnic if you don't defend against it properly. Yeah. They really did not want you living through it without those 2 Force Breaks. And if you had the cheeky idea to bring both a Protector and a Beast, or multiples of those classes, Ur-Devil will randomly cast Twilight's Gleam throughout his Ur-Eye phases! “Because gently caress you for not doing this fight the way we intended it.” Does this all sound completely insane? Too bad, because we're only just getting started with the fight. That pattern was meant for Picnic players so it's not as bad as the later phases. Oh yes, it gets worse.
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The Original Sin: Mistakes Were Made Also, Ur-Devil casts Twilight's Gleam after Eternal Exodus, which is why I said hanging onto your Force was completely pointless. We're now in the 3rd phase, so I'll list the details of that here. Phase 3:
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On Standard, Ur-Devil will transition to phase 4 once he drops below 34% (95200). On Expert, the HP threshold is 51% (142800). So this phase is one you really don't want running for long. For one thing, the very first move is uses is Value of Solitude, which punishes you for having a 5 man party, or 5 living party members. Not only that, the turn after that is random on the first loop! You have no idea what Ur-Devil is going to cast. But let me go over the problems of this pattern in more detail. The best way to deal with Howling Winds with this party is for Flavio to use Chain Dance, a move that increases aggro by 440% and increases his evasion by 600. This can be combined with his Speed Up passive to increase his overall evasion to 800, reducing Howling Winds' base accuracy to 19. However, the elemental moves have a base accuracy of 160, which will only get reduced to 80. So if Flavio uses Chain Dance there, he'll be taking all the damage from those elemental attacks and die. Meaning that no one can deal with Howling Winds on the next turn, and then Ur-Devil will use Despise Solitude, which has the opposite effect of Value of Solitude, and punishes parties that dared to bring less than 5 living party members. So if someone gets killed by Howling Winds, I lose. Let me reiterate. The turn after Value of Solitude is a dice roll that can cause me to lose if I guess wrong. Great loving boss design, Atlus.   There isn't really much I can do right now. But you know what?  gently caress guessing games! There is no way I am dealing with that bullshit.   Yeah without Transform, Knight can't really do much.  At least I still have Chloe.   I really love the Apple Matcha Shaved Ice. It is the only thing that is making this fight remotely fair.  And here Ur-Devil used Sunlight's Dawn to give the party their Force back. Like with Ur-Child, Ur-Devil will take away and give back the party's Force at certain points, though Ur-Devil doesn't do that nearly as often.   Even though Knight has his Force back, I'll build up his Force back to 150 before using Transform.    Oh great. See if I decided to take my chances and not have Flavio use Chain Dance if I didn't Blind Ur-Devil, I would have lost the fight instantly, because Howling Winds would have killed someone, and then Despise Solitude would have killed everyone shortly afterwards. Though thanks to the Blind, I now know what sequence of patterns Ur-Devil is making use of for this phase without having to sacrifice anything.  I would have liked it to hit Flavio, since he could have gotten another Hazy Arrow off.  Now I'll set up a Delayed Chase. But unfortunately, the Blind wore off, so I'm in danger of losing the fight again once Value of Solitude comes up.  Even though Despise Solitude deals less damage if everyone is alive, it still deals a large amount of damage, especially since I have everyone in a Bikini.  And I'm putting up Dauntless Orders in case something goes horribly wrong.  1000 damage would actually be respectable in most other cases. Sadly, not here. Though I suppose every little bit helps.  Yeah, Despise Solitude still hits pretty hard. Also this is the first time in the fight my team has actually taken damage.  Okay, I think it's time to stop playing around.  And time to start actually dealing damage to Ur-Devil again.  Since I know that Ur-Devil will use My Sorrow, I prepare an Ice Wall, even though it can only nullify one hit per party member. But there isn't much else I can do about it.  Yeah, the elemental attacks are the main thing I'm worried about, which is why I had everyone wear the Bikini Armor. I can easily deal with the physicals, but I don't have many ways to shut down the elemental skills. Without the Bikini Armor, they would have been hitting for at least 600 damage per hit.     Finishing up the combo.  Dance with Lunacy will be used this turn, so that means Chloe should use Barrier.   Nope.   And it's gonna take a while to whittle down Ur-Devil's HP to 51%. While I generally disagree with most of the “HP bloat” complaints the game has gotten, I will fully admit that Ur-Devil falls under it hard.   And at the end of the first loop, Ur-Devil will cast Recluse's Glory, and restores some TP to the back row. Not that I really needed it in this case.  You know the drill.  Value of Solitude comes out this turn, and unfortunately, this is the only way I can deal with it. Oh well, I still have a decent chance of Blinding it.  In case it doesn't... well, I'll just have to hold onto my butt and pray.  Ur-Devil is once again a useless sack of crap.   I guess watching Ur-Devil whiff most of his attacks isn't all that exciting, but there really isn't much else I can do with this party. The Story mode party certainly has the tools needed to deal with the boss, but they are not the best ones for the job. I mean the only way I can deal with Value of Solitude with this party is to either bind his legs, which depends on Chloe hitting it with Legcut, and I really don't feel like burning her Force Boost right now. I mean, setting Ur-Devil up to kill my party members is easy enough, but engineering such a situation where I don't get screwed over in the long run? Not so easy. Really, the only reliable way to avoid Value of Solitude is by using the Hexer's Sacrifice skill to instantly kill one of my party members, but I don't have that skill on me. But hey, there's a tip if you're thinking about trying this with a Classic mode party (You maniac.) Though to be honest, a Classic mode party would have a bit of an easier time with this than a Story mode party.    Since Ur-Devil is a useless sack of crap right now, and I've already listed out his pattern earlier, I'll just skip ahead a bit.  That should shut down the 3rd Value of Solitude.  I decided to use Arianna's Force Boost to get some buffs up on everybody, and I'll spend the last turn of it refueling my front line.  Yeah yeah, go ahead. I don't care.  Wait, gently caress! NO! I FORGOT TO USE BARRIER!  poo poo, this fight just went south real fast!  Fortunately, Transform functions as a full heal, so I can buy Knight more time at least.  I'll dispel the Poison from Chloe.  While Arianna will ensure that she does not die to one of Ur-Devil's attacks. Unfortunately, I made a big misplay here, one that's possibly game losing. I thought My Wrath would end up coming out this turn, when in reality it's Value of Solitude. And Ur-Devil still has his legs bound.  So I ended up having Bertrand completely waste his turn, when I could have cured Knight's Poison or uncursed Flavio or Arianna.   At least Chloe's out of the danger zone now.   Now to cure Knight.  Great, now all I have to do is cure Flavio, and then I'm all se-   AW CRAP, I DIDN'T REALIZE UR-DEVIL WAS THAT CLOSE TO HIS NEXT PHASE!  Ugh, it's really hard to keep track of Ur-Devil's exact HP when that HP bar is all I have to go on.  This really screws up my plans. If I knew he was that close to the next phase, I could have held back for one turn and set up an Accelerate. Oh right, so the new adds and the new phase: Ur-Eye (Blue) Level: 99 HP: 11000 STR: 99 TEC: 99 VIT: 75 AGI: 65 LUC: 85 Exp: 0 Attack Type: Bash Skills:
Disable resistances: Ur-Eye (Yellow) Level: 99 HP: 11000 STR: 99 TEC: 99 VIT: 75 AGI: 65 LUC: 85 Exp: 0 Attack Type: Bash Skills:
Disable resistances: The other 2 Ur-Eyes show up in this phase. They're all pretty much the same enemy, aside from their weaknesses and the damage types of their versions of Wave of Ruin. And here's Ur-Devil's pattern in this phase: Phase 4:
On Standard, Ur-Devil will go back to phase 3 and will not do any more phase transitions, meaning that the third phase permanently loops. On Expert, Ur-Devil moves onto phase 5. Somewhat similar to phase 2, but Ur-Devil doesn't spam Howling Winds if you somehow haven't killed off the Ur-Eyes at the end of this phase.   I'm gonna try to land an Arm bind so I don't have to deal with Dance with Lunacy on the 2nd turn. This is because I want Chloe to use her elemental wall once Knight takes out all the Ur-Eyes. There are gonna be 4 Waves of Ruin coming out, so I need everyone to make use of a wall once that happens.   And here is where I realized that I hosed up. By wasting Bertrand's turn earlier with Fire Wall instead of dispelling the ailments off my party, I can't dispel the curse on Flavio. And I have to use Summer Rain this turn to weaken the Ur-Eyes, because I need him to use his elemental walls on the next turn. Akashic Nova isn't capable of one-shotting the Ur-Eyes, especially since Darkness Shroud will wipe everyone's buffs this turn.  I could just revive him, but the problem is that Ur-Devil casts Darkness Shroud at the end of this turn and Flavio will revive with no buffs at all. Arianna is the only one available who could buff him, but she's much faster than Bertrand. Meaning that even if Bertrand revives Flavio, he's just going to die again, especially since Darkness Shroud has negative priority. The worst part is, if Chloe's Arm Bind doesn't land, (unfortunately, that has a pretty high chance of not happening at this point) I'll have to use Fairy's Robe the next turn, meaning that only Bertrand and Arianna can use the elemental walls. And while Knight and Chloe will be shielded from the first Wave of Ruin, the 2nd one will take them out. Meaning that they get redirected to Bertrand and Arianna instead. And  I missed the screenshot, but Chloe failed to land the Arm bind. And that means I've lost the fight.  But I might as well go out swinging. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Oct 13, 2016 08:29
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It probably doesn't need saying after that, but Ur-Devil is loving horseshit and I make no apologies for skipping it.
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Oct 13, 2016 08:42
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 : the DLCKudos to you, Dr Fetus, for trying that at the least. Hopefully there aren't any similar horseshit bosses in EO5... right? 
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Oct 13, 2016 09:16
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BlackPersona posted:
The final boss can be a serious pain in the rear end, but I'd say it's less "bullshit difficulty" and more "it just hits hard and you have to account for a lot of possibilities." The 1st Stratum boss, the 3rd Stratum boss, one of the postgame bosses, and the superboss all make use of summons, but they're considerably less annoying than in EO2U, and only the superboss uses them for a kill move--even then, you can stop it with either the Aegis Shield Union skill on a Brownie character, or by disabling literally any of the superboss's parts. Oh, yeah, the superboss and its parts can actually be disabled. What a novelty, right?
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Yikes, the Ur-Devil is certainly something, that's for sure. I'm guesing the reward for beating it in Expert is ultimately worthless due to beating the strongest boss in the game to get it in the first place? Name: Vega Class: Dragoon Portrait: 2A Skin Color: Second row, 2nd Hair Color: 216, 172, 254 (highlight) 148, 118, 173 (shade) Eye Color: 164, 79, 164 (highlight) 99, 38, 98 (shade) Voice: Soldier Vega is a veteran explorer who traveled around the world to see the various labyrinths and mazes from the ruined world not for fame or fortunes but, disturbingly enough, for the sheer thrill of fighting dangerous creatures and especially against FOEs. One such fight that she'll never forget was against a Dinogator who gourged out her eye and she paid the creature back with it's death. Why does she love to feel the adrenaline rush against deadly battles is unknown but to her. Pyro Jack fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Oct 13, 2016 13:18
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Ragnar Homsar posted:...Isn't having a maxed out protagonist by the end of an SMT story normal for those games? I've only really played Apocalypse in any great capacity, and I had a level 99 Nanashi quite a bit before even reaching YHVH.  also the fact that ur-devil just says "no gently caress off" means I never have to bother trying that with sccs
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Oct 13, 2016 15:21
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Pyro Jack posted:Yikes, the Ur-Devil is certainly something, that's for sure. I'm guesing the reward for beating it in Expert is ultimately worthless due to beating the strongest boss in the game to get it in the first place? If you can beat Ur-Devil on Expert, you probably won't need Ragnarok. That being said, it's nice to have.
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Name: Ren Class: Cestus Portrait: 4A Skin Color: Second row, 4th Hair Color: Preset, row 2, 2nd Eye Color: Preset, 1st row, 4th Voice: Timid Ren is the warm, kind and motherly sort. She is somewhat shy around people she doesn't know and has a tendency to stutter when she's nervous. Don't let that fool you, though, when the chips are down she can punch her way right through a solid brick wall. She picked up this talent while hunting for her own ingredients in the wild, as she's a cooking hobbyist at heart. Really, really wants to pat a Therian on the head to see how soft their ears are.
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The Original Sin: The Pinnacle of poo poo Wait, WHAT!? HOLY poo poo ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? I... I legitimately did not know that Dauntless Order worked on Curse damage, or that it could be endured at all. Holy poo poo. I'm still in the fight. I was taking a massive blind gamble there. Out of all the possible things I could have done on this turn, I happened to pick the correct choice. Which did not have a 100% chance of going well, mind you.  Talk about getting lucky, but I'm not complaining! It's time for Knight to rev up the pain train.   Kind of a shame that I lost the attack buffs, but whatever. Summer Rain weakened all the Ur-Eyes enough. ...I think.    Time to take out the Ur-Eyes. I switched around Chloe and Flavio's positions while prepping Knight's combo here.   Chloe still has to use Fairy's Robe, so I can only have 3 elemental walls up this turn. Meaning that I'll have to sacrifice Knight and Flavio. But you know what? That's much better than the alternative.   Besides, I can just have Arianna and Chloe revive them on the turn Ur-Devil uses Eternal Exodus.      Here we go!  And then I realized I didn't actually kill all the Ur-Eyes because Ur-Devil took a good chunk of the hits from Summer Rain, so one of the Ur-Eyes didn't get damaged all that much!     Then I realized that was a blessing in disguise. Since I only killed 3 Ur-Eyes, that means only 3 Waves of Destruction will come out, all of which I can block, so I don't have to sacrifice Knight or Flavio.    Phew. Good thing I had the foresight to use Fairy's Robe, as that could have turned ugly.  Know Thy Reason is coming out this turn, and it'll be forced to be a Volt attack since the only Ur-Eye active right now is a yellow one.   Now I'll have Knight take out the remaining Ur-Eye so I can get past this phase. But he's slower than it, so it might get a Death's Glimmer off.  To counteract that, I'll use Swap Step on Knight.   Despise Solitude is coming out this turn, so I'll have Bertrand use Sentinel Guard. It won't stop me from using Perfect Defense to use against Eternal Exodus.   And the Ur-Eye goes down! ...Wait a minute. Oh no.  gently caress! I FORGOT TO USE VOLT WALL!  gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress!  ...You know, my first attempts at this fight had Flavio in the back row, and Bertrand in the front. I am really glad I had that the other way around for this fight. I'm also really glad I had Bertrand's Force Boost active for that as well. I was very close to getting party wiped right then.  Without Bertand, this fight was as good as lost.  Fortunately, I'm not out of the fight yet. I can still recover from this. ...That was such a ridiculous string of luck right there.      Okay, we are now in phase 5. Phase 5:
So you know how the previous non Ur-Eye phases were a DPS check? This one is the complete opposite. Like with the Ur-Child fight, Ur-Devil will only give back the party's Force if they let his phase play out. And the next Ur-Eye phase also has Ur-Devil cast Eternal Exodus. And no, Ur-Devil does not give back the party's Force during that phase either. That's right, dealing too much damage to Ur-Devil in this phase makes the fight completely unwinnable! Though to be honest, that's not really an issue for the Story party. Without any Force, they can't do much to Ur-Devil. Try as they might, they won't be able to bring him below that threshold. But a Classic party is capable of dishing out more damage, so they'll have to hold back and wait through the phase doing nothing but defending against Ur-Devil's onslaught. Truly the pinnacle of good boss design.   Ur-Devil will only buff himself this turn, so I can revive Knight and Flavio without any worries.  However, I really want everyone to be healed up because of what's coming up in a bit.     Eh, whatever. I can just purge that off with Ad Nihilo easily.  Okay, everyone is alive again, so I'm back in the fight. You know I'm not sure if I got through that by sheer luck or foresight. Maybe a combination of both, let's go with that.  Aaaaand, this is why I wanted everyone to be healed up. So in the fight with Ur-Child you just had to survive his onslaught. Ur-Devil adds in something special to the mix. What Ur-Devil is doing is telegraphing Shed thy Tears. Which is gonna take a bit of explaining on how it works. So Shed thy Tears is a row target skill that deals untyped damage, which cannot be reduced in any way. It deals a total of 1800 damage exactly, which is then divided among how many people are in the targeted row. So a row with 1 party member will have them take 1800 damage, 2 party members will take 900 damage each, and a row with 3 party members will take 600 damage each. Yes that's right, row micromanagement is actually a thing that this fight is enforcing. Also if your party members don't have above 600 HP, the game basically tells them to go gently caress themselves. You can somewhat get around it with the Over Somas, which overheals the entire party for 100 HP, but you still need at least 501 HP in that case. Though that's a bit more manageable than having over 600 HP. And here are some more problems with this skill. Ur-Devil telegraphs that he's going to use it, but he doesn't telegraph what row Shed thy Tears is going to hit. Also, allow me to take a step back and tell you that every part of this pattern I'm laying out, and all the skills used in it aren't known to a player that is going through this fight blind. The devs expected for the players to bash their heads against this boss fight in several attempts to figure out the pattern. Also, the mechanics of Shed thy Tears aren't communicated that clearly. If a player is using the 2/3 formation for their party, they are going to wonder why on earth their front line just got nuked for 900 damage, and will be completely clueless on how to mitigate it. What I'm saying is that this boss does not belong in an Etrian game at all.  Knight won't have access to Transform until this phase ends, so all he can do to Ur-Devil at this point is use Delayed Chase + Shock Sabre. Which doesn't deal that much damage, but if I don't whittle down Ur-Devil's HP as much as I can during this phase, I will heavily regret it later.  Since the front row is gonna take 600 damage this turn, I'm gonna have Chloe use War Heal to get everyone up to full health, and so that they can still recover from the damage at the end of the turn.  Won't be blinding Ur-Devil just yet, as Shed thy Tears can't miss.  Okay, good. The front row will live.   600 damage may seem like a small amount compared to what Ur-Devil can dish out normally, but consider that this damage is completely unresistable, and that it can rise to 900 or 1800 damage if you get put into a bad spot.  War Heal All really takes most of the sting out of this move.  This is the only thing Knight can really do at the moment.   Unfortunately, Ur-Devil will use a random set of skills on the next few turns. The saving grace is that Ur-Devil will never use the same skills more than once during this portion. Unfortunately, that causes things to become a bit of a guessing game. And you know what I do with guessing games?  I don't bother with them.   Not all that impressive, but there's not much Knight can do.    Well, that's one elemental skill out of the way. Though honestly, this is the main reason I had everyone in Bikinis. Ur-Devil uses his elemental moves far more than his physical ones.  This fight is just eating through my supplies   Oh boy, another Shed thy Tears turn coming up. This time it's targeting the back row.  This is who I'm having taking the brunt of the attack.  I then realized I forgot to purge off Release my Power off of Ur-Devil.   Let's fix that.    And while I had Bertrand use Shield Smite, as he had nothing better to do, he managed to bind Ur-Devil's arms. Hooray? Not that I need the arm bind at the moment.  This phase is purely about survival.  Not that it matters when he can't even hit us.    But that's not an excuse to let up on the damage at any point, unless you're too strong and are in danger of ending this phase prematurely.    Shed thy Tears is coming up again.  Though all I have to do is ensure 3 people are in the front row.   I'll be honest, I'm more worried about what's coming out next turn than Shed thy Tears.  I'm pretty sure my party has enough HP at the moment, so I'll have Chloe deal some damage instead of healing them up.  And just in case they don't, I'll have Bertrand use Sentinel Guard. That should reduce the damage of whatever's coming out enough, and besides, Howling Winds comes out on the next turn, which he can't do much about anyway.  Behold my Power came out here.  DAMMIT! It turned out that my party members did not have enough HP to withstand it. Fortunately, Dauntless Order was there to cover my rear end.  Howling Winds comes out this turn. The way I normally deal with it is to have Flavio use Chain Dance. The +60 evasion it provides, on top of Speed Up's +20 evasion, and on top of Flavio's high AGI makes it much easier to avoid. Also with Flavio in the front row, he will almost always get targeted by it. If you don't have a Survivalist with Chain Dance? Hold onto your butt and pray.   Just as planned. Though on some attempts, Ur-Devil ended up killing someone else, or the evasion boost that Flavio had wasn't enough to avoid it.  And here's the last instance of Shed thy Tears in this phase.  This time, the back row will take the hit.    Okay, for the record, I was dealing damage at every opportunity I could, and this was the best the Story party could pull off. They don't have to worry about ending the phase prematurely, but a Classic party definitely has to.   The party's Force has come back. So that signals the end of this phase.  And the start of phase 6. Phase 6:
Ur-Devil now summons one Ur-Eye of every element here. So you remember the double Origin Bud phase from the Ur-Child fight, right? This is kind of similar. If you take too long to kill off the first set of Ur-Eyes, Ur-Devil will summon another set, which have to be killed off as well in order to get Ur-Devil to start using Eternal Exodus. However, unlike Ur-Child's double bud phase, killing off the first set of Ur-Eyes early causes Ur-Devil to skip straight to casting Eternal Exodus. So I'm on a soft time limit here.  Fortunately...  This party is capable of pulling that off. Now in order for my plan to work, I need Knight to use Accelerate immediately.   I really need Chloe to stick the Arm bind on this turn, or things will get hairy.   I also need to use Summer Rain right away to soften up all the Ur-Eyes. I probably could have gotten away with using something else, but I'm not taking ANY chances this far into the fight.   Ur-Devil won't cast Darkness Shroud at all during this phase, so I don't have to worry about Knight's attack buff being erased. Instead, I'm gonna have Arianna set up a safety net for everyone in case something goes wrong. Again.   Not as much as the other times he used it, but it still stings a bit.     Unfortunately, I failed to land the Arm bind here, so I'll have to bust out Fairy's Robe next turn.  Ohhhh boy, this skill. So what Realm of Death does is that it places a very special environmental effect for 4 turns. While it's in effect, you cannot dispel any ailments, binds, or debuffs! Not only that, you can't revive any dead party members under any circumstances! Not even Medical Miracle will work against it! It's completely useless here! You thought the fight was unforgiving before? This skill makes it even more so. If I let the wrong person die while this is in effect, I'm hosed, plain and simple.    I plan on nuking all those Ur-Eyes with Akashic Nova.  Dance with Lunacy is coming out this turn, so I'll block it with Fairy's Robe. I'm not using Barrier just in case any Ur-Eyes survive to use Death's Glimmer. Like I said, I'm not taking any chances.    The other 3 will have to use the elemental walls to protect Knight and Chloe.      Okay good, the plan worked.     Okay I made it through that unscathed.   Not happening.   Okay, I'll be able to make it to the next phase. The problem is, that doesn't necessarily mean I can kill him.  Especially with everyone's TP running so low. I'll have to use Arianna's Force Break to alleviate that.      Okay, now I've made it into phase 7, which is the final phase in this fight. Phase 7:
 My party will get their Force back on this turn, so I'll just set up and deal whatever damage I can.     Oh, and Ur-Devil starts using Shed thy Tears again, so I have to perform the row truffle shuffle throughout this phase.  Shed thy Tears is hitting the front row, so I don't have much to worry about here.   Since I need to deal all the damage I can, I need to build Knight's Force back up first, so he can initiate back-to-back Transformations.      A relatively small mercy, but I'll take it.  Ehh, he's not at 150 Force, but whatever.  I really don't have much time to take him down, so I'm really hoping that Knight can put in some good work here.  Unfortunately, Ur-Devil has a couple of turns in this phase where he'll just perform a random action, and I can't really predict what he's going to do. So I'm gonna have Flavio Blind him yet again so I don't have to deal with those.   Now assuming that Flavio can't Blind Ur-Devil, I'm setting up a few safety nets and hope that he uses one of his elemental moves instead of Despise Solitude.  ...Never mind. Looks like I had nothing to worry about!      Okay, I'm dealing an okay amount of damage here. The question is, will that be enough?   ...I'm gonna be honest. I do not like the way this fight is going right now.   So I'm gonna turn on Flavio's Force Boost to get some extra damage in. Anything to help end the fight soon.      ...I'm hosed, aren't I?   I'm just gonna take this opportunity to say that doing this fight without the Blind effect up food is utter hell. My first successful attempt involved making use of the +5 to all stats food, which meant that I had to use Dauntless Order to get through the turns that would pretty much kill my party. This fight is a massive, and I mean massive RNGfest without converting those kill turns into free turns. If I'm honestly making this fight look easy, play through this fight without using the Blind food, and get back to me.  Here we go again.  These are my sacrifices for this turn.   This is one of the few times I use Arianna's Force Boost with the intended effect. I want buffs on everyone without having to spend more turns than necessary.      Well hopefully Knight can dish out some serious damage in the upcoming turns.  All of Ur-Devil's skills he can cast on this turn can inflict binds and ailments, and I am NOT taking any chances of getting my party hit with disables again, no matter how small it is. I mean, take a look at that turn counter. 51 turns in and I'm still not done, or close to it! One little mistake could mean I lose all that progress. And because I'm so far in to this fight, I'm a lot more panicky because of the amount of pressure this fight places at this point.  Flavio isn't gonna get a chance to build his Force back up, so I'm using up his Force Break one last time.  Bertrand doing unimpressive damage with Shield Smite yet again.  ...PFFFFTHAHAHA! I wasn't expecting that! Guess I don't have to worry about Dance with Lunacy after all!   4009 damage. Ehhh, well it's more than his usual damage output.   AHAHAHA! drat thing actually went for Dance with Lunacy here.  Won't have to worry about that for a while. Unfortunately, the Blind wore off as well.    I'm not blowing Akashic Nova just yet, since this phase is his longest one, and there's room for at least one more Transformation.  The chances of Blinding Ur-Devil at this point are either extremely small, or just flat out impossible. Still, I might as well try, since I really don't feel like playing with dice right now.  Buffing Knight's damage output here.     Okay, 16000 damage. That's decent I suppose. Hopefully another round of that will be enough to take him down.  ...Oh boy, Flavio failed to land the Blind. This fight is going south real fast, again.  Fortunately, Ur-Devil decided not to go for Howling Winds here, and went for Pity the Weak instead. And that Arm Bind Bertrand landed saved me from having to deal with it.  I really have to wonder what the gently caress the developers were thinking with every single aspect of this fight.  Ending off Knight's Transformation for now.   I want to deal as much damage as possible, but I don't think Flavio will be able to land the Blind at this time. So I'll just get 3 free turns of damage for Chloe.   Okay, Flavio not landing the ailment is making me reeeaaaally nervous right now.    Unfortunately, Vampire's doesn't kick in with the Force Boost. You have to be hitting a target with an ailment for it to take effect.   Uhh, that's nice, I guess.  Knight doesn't have his Force Boost ready, but that doesn't matter right now.  On this turn, My Sorrow, My Wrath, or Despise Solitude is coming out, all of which can cause a game over at this point. So I'm restoring everyone's HP because War Heal All isn't gonna be enough. Also Fairy's Robe will at least prevent the binds from My Sorrow or My Wrath from landing if those do come out.   I'm not taking any chances with Knight's Force gauge. I want Transform available on the next turn. Besides, it's not like I'll use them for anything else.  I'm out of the danger zone for now.  Flavio, it would be really nice if you could land that Blind right about now!  Oh yeah, Fairy's Robe was the right call there.  War Heal All would not have been enough to let the front row survive that.  Especially with Realm of Death coming into effect next turn, ensuring that any survivors won't be able to revive any dead party members.  Here we go, the last time Knight Transforms in this fight!   Unfortunately, now that Chloe doesn't have her Force Boost, and Flavio is having a really hard time landing the Blind, she won't be able to do much from now on.  I'm gonna take my chances and hope that My Mercy comes out this turn.  Flavio, please.     My Mercy did come out here, but Flavio got hit twice, which would have killed him. Fortunately, Dauntless Order prevented him from outright dying, which would have prevented me from reviving him until Realm of Death wore off.  Yet another Shed thy Tears turn coming up.  Okay, a victory is looking possible here, but it's not really guaranteed. I only have 7 or 8 turns to shave all that HP off. I'm really cutting it close here.  FLAVIO, PLEASE!   Yeah yeah, do your worst. ...Wait.  OH loving HELL! I FORGOT UR-DEVIL WAS TARGETING THE BACK ROW THIS TURN!  At least Dauntless Order saved Chloe, but being forced to fight with only 4 party members is gonna sting for the next few turns.   Once again, using Barrier because all of Ur-Devil's skills he can cast this turn can inflict disables.  Oh phew, it was only just Dance with Lunacy.   Okay, I can revive Flavio next turn.  Okay, I only have 5 or 6 turns to take off all that HP, and I am not liking my chances of pulling that off.  Not gonna use Accelerate just yet, since I do plan on having Knight use Akashic Nova.  Gonna bring back Flavio.  The skills coming out this turn are Null thy Strength, Pity the Weak, or Howling Winds. Shed thy Tears is coming out next turn, so it's safe for me to use Sentinel Guard here. I'm hoping Howling Winds doesn't come out here, since I can't have Flavio redirect it with Chain Dance.   If Howling Winds DOES come out, I hope it targets Flavio, since War Revive will bring him back at the end of the turn.   Oh, never mind. It was just Null thy Strength.  Ech, that's actually not a lot of damage for Knight. I need to get that attack buff back on him as soon as possible.  And this is the final time Ur-Devil will use Shed thy Tears.  I only have 4 or 5 turns left, and I barely did any damage on my last turn. It's highly possible that I'm going to lose here.  Hopefully Knight's next Accelerate rampage will shave a bunch of that HP off, but who knows.  Okay, hopefully I can land the Blind because the very next turn is pretty much a coin flip that determines whether if I get a game over or not. See, next turn Ur-Devil will either use Value of Solitude, or Despise Solitude, both are moves that will kill the party if they don't have less than 5 living party members, or have 5 living party members. It really is a coin flip, and right at the end of the fight.  Reapplying Attack Order.  OH COME ON!    This time, I made sure NOT to screw up dealing with Shed thy Tears.      Well, here goes nothing.      That was around 22434 points of damage. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough to kill Ur-Devil.  HOLY poo poo, FINALLY!    Also, talk about extremely lucky! If Flavio did not land that Blind, I would have gotten a game over right then and there since Value of Solitude came out.  Okay, while Knight's assault didn't kill Ur-Devil, it did take off a massive chunk of his HP. Even then, I still don't have a lot of time left to kill him.  I swapped Arianna to the front row so she could buff Flavio. ...Even though I could have just used her Force Boost to buff everyone. I wasn't really thinking straight at this point.         ...Thanks for giving Flavio another opportunity to use Hazy Arrow! Idiot.  ...I'm out of time.  This is gonna be down to the wire.      If I don't kill Ur-Devil this turn, it's all over. Everything up to this point will have been a complete waste of time.       Wait, did that just say what I think it just said!?  ...HOLY poo poo! It's over, it's all over! Now... what would be the ultimate form of disrespect in this case? Ah, I've got it! gg ez win   Ur-Devil doesn't drop anything, and you get absolutely nothing aside from the exp and any Grimoires you might have obtained during the fight on Picnic and Standard. On Expert... well, you'll see in a bit.  But as you lash out at the enemy with all your power, focus, and determination, it finally slumps to the ground! And with that, the deepest darkness of Yggdrasil melts and disappears without a trace...  drat straight. Now never ever put a boss like that in the series ever again, please.   “We we”? I suppose some things never change, even in the DLC.  Let's be honest, both Arianna and Knight carried that fight. Arianna especially with all those Dauntless Order procs. Now if you beat the fight while playing on Picnic or Standard, the conversation would start to end here. But since I beat Ur-Devil on Expert, there's a bit more to this scene. However, as you chat amongst yourselves, Flavio calls out, looking back to the site of your perilous battle. Flavio indicates the point where the horrific monster once stood, and to your surprise, you see a sword in the ground. As the others discuss its origin, you quietly move over to take a look--admittedly something of a sword connoisseur by now. Its blade gleams in the light, and it appears sharp enough to cut through any known material... Even setting your hand to its hilt makes you feel a sudden surge of power. You try pulling the sword from the ground, and feel even more strength coursing through you. You have no idea where this sword came from, but it clearly houses immense power within...  If you weren't playing on Expert, that whole portion of the scene is skipped, and just goes straight to this point.   Before we do that, let's take a look at our shiny new sword.    That's quite the prize. Though given that Ur-Devil pretty much needs an optimized party to beat, it's pretty much just for bragging rights. Still, it serves as cold hard proof I suffered through that fight on Expert. Also, I listed what was in my inventory before I started the fight, which consisted of this:quote:
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 Fade to black.     At no point during that overcomplicated mountain of failure conditions did I consider it FUN.       Well that reward sucks. Oh well, I wonder how much that sword sells for.  ...You know what, I think I'll just keep it. And with that, I am done with Story mode in EO2U. I've off shown everything it has to offer. So with all that out of the way... 
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That looked genuinely unfun and terribly made, like a challenge made just for the sake of angering the player. It's the single most Atlus thing I've seen in this Atlus series, is what I'm trying to say.
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Blaze Dragon posted:That looked genuinely unfun and terribly made, like a challenge made just for the sake of angering the player. It IS unfun and terribly made, and it's one of two bosses in the EO series that I have yet to beat in any playthrough (the other being Abyssal God). Speaking of bad bosses, I plan to have Ur-Child (and by extension, the end) up within a few hours. Before then, though, I'd like to ask that people post enough to move the thread to a new page, so the final updates doesn't get buried down here.
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 Good job, Fetus.
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