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Welcome, to Something Awful Decides 1788-2000, the thread where you get to post, discuss, and mock Presidential candidates from across U.S. history. Each week, you will be told about a past election, have the opportunity to vote in it, and debate endlessly over which nominee is the least bad. It should be fun. CLICK HERE FOR THE CURRENT ELECTION Q: hi, what is this dumb thread about? In this thread, I will be running mock Presidential elections for every election between 1788 and 2000. These elections will take one week, after which time I will announce the results and post the next election in the series. In addition to providing a poll, I will give a brief background on every election and the candidates who served in it. You can use this thread to discuss these facts, encourage others to support your dream candidate, or complain about how every nominee is a literal monster. Depending on how successful this is, I might even post old political cartoons, campaign documents, and audio files. Q: Okay, that sounds weird, but who will be included? To make sure each election has some diversity, I will include every candidate that attained at least .05% of the national vote. I’ll mainly be using Dave Leip’s Atlas of Presidential Elections to determine who meets this criteria. For elections before 1803, you will be able to vote separately for President and Vice President. Q: How will you be conducting the poll? Instead of setting up 54 different threads, I will be using Google Form to collect the results. If you know of a better service/ less abusable system, please let me know. Q: How long will this thread be running? Because I am consumed by self-loathing, I hope to keep this thread active until Election Day. I have already asked one of the moderators here to move the thread to Debate and Discussion if/when Election Erection closes. Q: Hey, I disagree with how you represented a candidate. Can you fix that? To avoid issues, I'll try to keep my background posts as simple as possible and avoid getting bogged down in inconsequential historical details. If you have an issue with how a candidate is presented or notice a mistake, I'll review the issue and decide whether to make a revision. Just keep me updated and be patient. Q: Why are you doing this? What do you hope to accomplish? I like history and want to be entertained. I am also interested in the types of candidates that this board will elect. In its history, an enormous number of people have contended for high office. While some of these individuals have attractive platforms, strong managerial experience, and a network of backers, others have not. In certain elections, picking a candidate might entail sacrifices, either in policy or experience. The Prohibition Party, for example, once campaigned on a platform of civil rights, women’s suffrage, child labor laws, and the national prohibition of alcohol. Other parties might make wild promises, but provide no realistic way of achieving those ends. I hope this project can generate discussion the types of candidates that are nominated and elected. Helpful Resources: Books
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Election Directory 1788-89: John Adams (Federalist) / John Jay (Federalist), Announcement, Results 1792: John Adams (Federalist) / Aaron Burr (Democratic Republican), Announcement, Results 1796: John Adams (Federalist) / John Jay (Federalist), Announcement, Results 1800: John Jay (Federalist) / John Adams (Federalist), Announcement, Results 1804: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) / George Clinton (Democratic-Republican), Announcement, Results 1808: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (Federalist) / Rufus King (Federalist), Announcement, Results 1812: DeWitt Clinton (Democratic-Republican) / Jared Ingersoll (Federalist), Announcement, Results 1816: Rufus King (Federalist) / James Ross (Federalist) Announcement, Results 1820: DeWitt Clinton (Independent) / Daniel D. Tompkins (Democratic-Republican) Announcement, Results 1824: John Quincy Adams (Democratic-Republican) / John C. Calhoun (Democratic-Republican) Annoucement, Results 1828: John Quincy Adams (National Republican) / Richard Rush (National Republican) Announcement, Results 1832: William Wirt (Anti-Masonic) / Amos Ellmaker (Anti-Masonic) Annoucement, Results 1834: Amos Ellmaker (Anti-Masonic) / VACANT 1836: Daniel Webster (Whig) / Francis Granger (Whig) Annoucement. Results 1840: James Gillespie Birney (Liberty) / Thomas Earle (Liberty) Announcement, Results 1844: James Gillespie Birney (Liberty) / Theodore Frelinghuysen (Whig) Annoucement, Results 1848: Martin Van Buren (Free Soil) / Charles Francis Adams, Sr. (Free Soil) Announcement, Results 1852: John P. Hale (Free Soil) / George Washington Julian (Free Soil) Announcement, Results 1856: John C. Frémont (Republican) / William L. Dayton (Republican) Announcement, Results 1860: Abraham Lincoln (Republican) / Hannibal Hamlin (Republican) Announcement, Results 1864: Abraham Lincoln (National Union) / Andrew Johnson (National Union) Announcement, Results 1865: Andrew Johnson (National Union) / VACANT 1868: Ulysses S. Grant (Republican) / Schuyler Colfax (Republican) Annoucement, Results 1872: Ulysses S. Grant (Republican) / Henry Wilson (Republican) Announcement, Results 1875: Ulysses S. Grant (Republican) / VACANT 1876: Peter Cooper (Greenback) / Samuel Fenton Cary (Greenback) Announcement, Results 1880: James Garfield (Republican) / Chester A. Arthur (Republican), Announcement, Announcement 1881: Chester A. Arthur (Republican) / VACANT 1884: Benjamin Franklin Butler (Greenback) / Absolom M. West (Greenback) Announcement, Results 1888: Benjamin Harrison (Republican) / Levi P. Morton (Republican) Announcement, Results 1892: Ongoing QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 16:24 on Jul 24, 2016 |
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ELECTION OF 1788-89 Click here to vote. Background: The Election of 1789 is the first Presidential election under the newly ratified Constitution. There is minor opposition to this election by Anti-Federalists, who oppose the creation of a stronger federal government. However, their objections have been mitigated by the immense popularity of the election’s frontrunner, George Washington. The states are looking for a charismatic leader who can shepherd this new system and a capable Vice President who can support him. The Candidates: George Washington
John Adams
John Jay
Robert Harrison
John Rutledge
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# ¿ Nov 17, 2015 14:19 |
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pig slut lisa posted:I'm afraid to vote for anyone but the winners. I'd hate to butterfly effect this thing and end up with the Confederate States of America on the moon or something. But if you don't change the past, who is going to kill baby Hitler?
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# ¿ Nov 17, 2015 14:49 |
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Mr. Powers posted:IMO we should be doing instant runoff rather than first past the post. Also, does Google sheets let you have a live updating graph? That would be cool. Why would I introduce a sensible voting mechanism into a thread about the United States Presidency? Google Forms does allow for a live updating graph, but I am hesitant to post it for fear of it influencing the results. I like the uncertainty as it forces people to make pragmatic decisions about their vote. Ibogaine posted:Are non-americans allowed to participate in this? Because I'd love to. Of course. Go ahead.
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# ¿ Nov 17, 2015 19:24 |
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Candidates on the Issues: Slavery George Washington quote:I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it [slavery]; but there is only one proper and effectual mode by which it can be accomplished, and that is by Legislative authority; and this, as far as my suffrage [vote and support] will go, shall never be wanting [lacking]... John Adams quote:"Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States ... I have, throughout my whole life, held the practice of slavery in ... abhorrence.". John Jay quote:"It is much to be wished that slavery may be abolished. The honour of the States, as well as justice and humanity, in my opinion, loudly call upon them to emancipate these unhappy people. To contend for our own liberty, and to deny that blessing to others, involves an inconsistency not to be excused." John Rutledge quote:If the Convention thinks that N. C. S. C. & Georgia will ever agree to the plan, unless their right to import slaves be untouched, the expectation is vain. The people of those States will never be such fools as to give up so important an interest.
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# ¿ Nov 17, 2015 19:57 |
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Lemming posted:Isn't it going to take 10 minutes before we all start killing each other if Washington isn't our What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure. Oiled and Ready posted:so are these elections considered canon for future elections or do we reset each time? This impacts my vote. I feel like if we're carrying the canon forward I need Washington but if we aren't I got to go with Jay. My background posts will treat each election independently. There would be no way for me to discuss the issues surrounding the election or to post the primers I have planned on various groups, individuals, and issues. It would also make later elections problematic. If you, or anyone else, would like to consider these elections to be part of a single, cohesive timeline then go ahead. I would love to see someone try to form a narrative. I'm not going to force that on the thread, though. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 02:24 on Nov 19, 2015 |
# ¿ Nov 19, 2015 02:19 |
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Ralp posted:I think he already gave up, which is for the best probably, because at this rate this project won't be even close to finished by the time the next actual president gets sworn in. Nah, I am still here. Weekdays are just busy for me and there isn't a lot I can post. The current schedule is still once a week. I may accelerate these early elections if people are getting edgy. I will probably do a write-up on the Anti-Federalists or the Critical Period when I get off from work. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 12:46 on Nov 20, 2015 |
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Polls for the election of 1788-89 will close at 8:00 AM EST tomorrow. If you are, for whatever reason, holding back your vote, now would be the time to use it. The election of 1792 will be posted at the same time, so prepare yourself for a "struggle between the Treasury department and the republican interest." Jefferson and Hamilton are already organizing their forces. Sheng-ji Yang posted:can we vote for washington as king Sorry, but "SA Decides: The Newburgh Conspiracy of 1783" has already passed. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 14:38 on Nov 21, 2015 |
# ¿ Nov 21, 2015 14:36 |
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ELECTION RESULTS: 1788 Thank you all for voting in the first election of this new republic’s history. In a surprise upset, John Adams has been elected the first President of the United States. Serving as his Vice President is the equally surprised John Jay. General Washington wishes the best of luck to both these men and has happily retired to his estate at Mount Vernon. His Highness, John Adams, President of the United States, and Protector of Their Liberties looks forward to his next four years in office. RESULTS BREAKDOWN Most popular candidates: 1. John Adams – 104 votes (72.7%) 2. John Jay 90 votes (62.9%) 3. George Washington – 68 votes (47.6%) 4. John Rutledge – 15 votes (10.5%) 5. Robert Harrison 10 votes (7%)* Most popular tickets: 1. John Adams / John Jay – 59 votes 2. George Washington / John Adams – 41 votes 3. George Washington / John Jay – 22 votes 4. John Jay / John Rutledge – 6 votes 5. Robert Harrison / John Rutledge – 4 votes 6. George Washington / John Rutledge – 3 votes 7. George Washington / Robert Harrison – 2 votes 8. John Adams / Robert Harrison – 2 votes 9. John Jay / Robert Harrison – 2 votes 10. John Adams / John Rutledge – 1 vote * Note: You will notice that there is an odd number of votes listed above. When originally putting together the survey, I forgot to insert a data validation and submitted a test vote for three men (Washington, Adams, and Harrison). QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 14:43 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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ELECTION OF 1792 Click here to vote in the Election of 1792! Candidates: Sixteen years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence, the United States has begun to stabilize. Though Washington’s Administration has not been easy, he has succeeded in ending the direst threats to America’s independence and establishing precedent for future presidents. With the advice of his Secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton, Washington has established a national bank and had the national government take on state war debts. Though many former Anti-Federalists see these acts as dangerous steps toward tyranny, American bonds are now considered safe in European markets. In New York and Philadelphia, these programs have been so successful that stock markets have formed. In other domestic affairs, Washington personally put down a revolt by angry veterans and farmers who were protesting a tax on Whiskey. He has also strengthened the federal judiciary. In foreign affairs, Washington has asserted executive control over treaty negotiations to avoid foreign entanglement. Though beloved in France, so much so that Washington was sent the Key to the Bastille, Washington is deeply suspicious of the ongoing revolution in France. He has limited American support of the new French government, only helping the French put down the Haitian Revolution to reduce the country’s debt. Washington is also increasingly concerned about the British. Despite promising to recognize American sovereignty in the Treaty of Paris, British forces remain in their forts and outposts around the Great Lakes. There are also growing reports of British forces kidnapping American sailors. Washington does not believe the country can withstand another major war and hopes to resolve both these issues peacefully. Though he is expected to be re-elected, Washington’s Vice President is likely to be seen as a referendum on both these issues. The Election of 1792 is also notable for being the first election with partisan undertones. Despite Washington’s pleas for civility, Hamilton and Jefferson are establishing loose political networks to support their policy preferences. For Hamilton, he hopes to build a centralized and fiscally sound union capable of co-existing with European powers. For Jefferson, he hopes to smash the tyrannical Treasury in favor of a decentralized, expansionist confederation where every man can own a plot of land. Background: George Washington
John Adams
George Clinton
Thomas Jefferson
Aaron Burr
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Platystemon posted:If Washington didn’t want to be re‐elected, he should have encouraged another pro‐federal politician to run. The Federalist argument is, "Oh God, Washington, please run. You are the only man whose election won't risk a massive civil war and British conquest of our new republic. Also, Hamilton has these great The Democratic-Republican argument is, "Yes, you are completely right. The old general is probably on the verge of senility and is being manipulated by the monarchist Adams and the bastard, immigrant Hamilton. However, not electing him risks a massive civil war and British conquest. You can guarantee that once we get in office, we'll make sure that President Washington is listening to the right people, people who won't try to infringe on individual liberties, like a man's right to own a slave." QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 15:26 on Nov 22, 2015 |
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Octatonic posted:While Adams and Burr are entertaining, sure, what I find even more entertaining is the possibility of establishing an even earlier Clinton dynasty. Is this Clinton related to our soon to be supreme overlord? Well, no, given that Slick Willie's surname comes from his stepdad! However, think of the possibilities. The Roosevelts, Kennedys, and Bushes all establish themselves much later. We can make an American autocracy where power is even more inheritable than it is today! Through his election, John Adams probably got his wish of making the President's title, "His Highness, the President of the United States, and Protector of Their Liberties," which seems fitting for an autocratic pseudo-monarchy.
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Angepain posted:as an ignorant Brit the only things I really knew of Burr were from this historical re-enactment (spoiler alert for the distant future of 1804, guys!!!) so I'm surprised that Burr actually seems to have some good opinions on some things. Perhaps this video is just propaganda created by Hamilton's dastardly network of printers, which I assume was the 1790s version of Fox News. My thoughts on Burr: Aaron Burr's got a Frank Underwood quality to him. He is very good at appealing to the common man, but everyone who interacts with him on a day-to-day basis ends up pretty unnerved by his pursuit for power. You can check his Wikipedia page for a brief overview, but there are a few episodes that stand out. He'll later use disaster relief funds to fund his own personal bank, to counter Hamilton and the Federalist establishment. He'll also be implicated in a scheme to carve a fiefdom out of Louisiana. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 00:58 on Nov 23, 2015 |
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foobardog posted:Slavery is my litmus test, so that drops pretty much everyone except Burr and Adams. You're going to love 1804 and 1808. Aliquid posted:In case any of y'all haven't heard, Broadway's getting its rear end kicked by an A-Ham hip-hop musical and it's good It's excellent.
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# ¿ Nov 24, 2015 02:48 |
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ELECTION RESULTS: 1792 Thank you all for voting. I am happy to announce that His Elective Majesty, Our Lord-Protector, John Adams, President of the United States, Protector of Their Liberties, has been re-elected President of the United States. Serving by his side is Aaron Burr, who is certain to serve admirably at the President’s side. Adams has already taken Burr into his confidence and given him a prominent role in the administration. Jefferson and Clinton are stunned by the upset. Jefferson has already mobilized the press against the two victors. RESULTS BREAKDOWN Most popular candidates: 1. John Adams – 53 votes (62.4%) 2. Aaron Burr – 46 votes (54.1%) 3. George Washington – 40 votes (47.1%) 4. Thomas Jefferson – 16 votes (18.8%) 5. George Clinton - 13 votes (15.3%) Most popular tickets: 1. George Washington / John Adams – 24 votes 2. John Adams / Aaron Burr – 23 votes 3. George Washington / Aaron Burr – 10 votes 4. George Clinton / Aaron Burr - 8 votes 5. John Adams / Thomas Jefferson – 5 votes 6. Thomas Jefferson / Aaron Burr – 5 votes 7. George Washington / Thomas Jefferson – 4 votes 8. George Washington / George Clinton – 2 votes 9. George Clinton / Thomas Jefferson – 2 votes 10. John Adams / George Clinton – 1 vote 11. Thomas Jefferson / Aaron Burr – 1 vote QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 16:19 on Nov 29, 2015 |
# ¿ Nov 29, 2015 16:12 |
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ELECTION OF 1796 Click here to vote in the Election of 1796! Background: The Election of 1796 is the first disputed election in American history, taking place after Washington’s announced retirement. This election presents both risks and opportunities for the new republic. Many question whether Washington will be able to transfer authority to a successor. They also question whether his successor will be able to navigate between growing pressure by the French and British. Watch this space! To keep the election series on a semi-coherent schedule, I am posting the survey now and will revise the background section later today. The Candidates: John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Pickney
Aaron Burr
Samuel Adams
Oliver Ellsworth
George Clinton
John Jay
James Iredell
George Washington
John Henry
Samuel Johnston
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Octatonic posted:I dunno about y'all, but imho, some of these guys (looking at you, Sams) kinda seem like big ol' dickheads! Who among us hasn't advocated for the death of our political opponents and the preservation of a kleptocratic slave-owning regime? Samuel Johnston is just your average Southern pseduo-aristocrat, acting to preserve the only way of life he has ever known. At least he isn't some Bostonian rabble-rouser whose entire legacy depends on an bastard immigrant and a senile old general.
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# ¿ Nov 29, 2015 18:14 |
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UrbicaMortis posted:Electing Washington would be pretty funny in a dickish way. If you want to play that game, you could elect Washington/ Samuel Adams. One is going to die before the next election and the other's rapidly deteriorating health will render him incapable of writing. unwantedplatypus posted:Just a reminder that Aaron Burr had such a bitchfit over not getting the presidency that he went to the western frontier, made friends with a Spanish spy, and tried to get the west to secede from the union. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o51rzRr1GJY
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# ¿ Nov 29, 2015 21:59 |
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JosefStalinator posted:I'm genuinely curious how goons will handle William Jennings Bryan (aka our Emperor until Debs starts running). I've got Clay, Bryan, Debs, T. Roosevelt, and FDR in my "must watch" pile. I'm also curious about how goons will react to the moral dilemma that is Lincoln in 1864 and Kennedy in 1960. Tao Jones posted:In our timeline we'd probably have slavery-related crises much earlier than reality, since in two elections we've elected anti-slavery candidates from MA/NY twice and look like we're set to do it a third time. A larger Nullification Crisis gives Thomas Jefferson something to do at least. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 02:12 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Abner Cadaver II posted:I'm surprised the Founders didn't go whole hog with their Roman Republic love and have two presidents with authority alternating between every day. A co-consul system was considered early in debates at the Constitutional Convention. John Rutledge thought that a multiple executive system would cause a diffusion of responsibility and lead to easily to inter-executive rivalries. These arguments were opposed by Gerry and Randolph, who thought that the Presidency contained within it "the feotus of monarchy." As the only role of the Executive was to fulfill the will of the legislature, they argued that it was better for the position to be divided among several people instead of one person potentially usurping power from the other branches. You can probably guess which argument won the day. GlyphGryph posted:I got the impression it was specifically to try and avoid the formation of political parties (encouraging multiple different people from each "party" to run) while also empowering the largest group of "losers" instead of making them feel like they have no say in things at all, like a consolation prize. Also I think the VP was supposed to be more involved in Congress and policy? So it might have been yet another "checks and balances" type proposal where the runner up being a different "faction" might even have been intentional on the parts of those who did think of it. The Vice President was intended to act as a spokesperson for the President in the Senate and advocate on behalf of his policies. During the Washington Administration, John Adams actively engaged with the representatives and was able to steer policy using his rhetoric and his authority over procedural matters. Of course, Washington doesn't seem to have encouraged these demonstrations of loyalty and kept Adams out of the policymaking sphere. As such, Adams was threatened with censure halfway through Washington's term. Then, Adams was replaced by Jefferson who had no interest in advancing his rival's policies. The Vice Presidency never recovered from its early marginalization. I haven't seen anyone state this outright, but based on Madison's notes, the Vice Presidency looks like an attempt to recreate the Prime Minister position within the U.S. Congress. The idea wasn't fully thought through and breaks down entirely with the "runner-up" system, but it isn't hard to imagine why it got into the Constitution's final draft. You want someone who can speak for the President without making the President a member of the Legislature and further expanding his authority. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 20:46 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Joementum posted:Question: in this timeline did Adams and Jay abolish free speech in their first term because people said mean things about them? I like to imagine John Adams adding increasingly pompous and ridiculous titles to his name as a coping mechanism against the mean Jeffersonian press. ((Then probably jailing a bunch of printers because they depicted him as a short, fat, little man.))
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# ¿ Dec 1, 2015 12:27 |
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Thank you all for voting. In a nail-biter of an election, His Elective Majesty, Our Lord-Protector, John Adams, President of the United States, Protector of Their Liberties, Defender of the Faithful, and Father of the Nation, has been re-elected to a third term. Returning from a brief Governorship in New York is John Jay. Both men have announced their commitment to a strong national government, a strong national defense, and stamping a boot on the Democratic-Republican face, forever. Despite performing even worse than his running mate, Jefferson has vowed to return at the next election. We will see how successful he is. RESULTS BREAKDOWN Most popular candidates: 1. John Adams – 40 votes (44.4%) 2. John Jay – 38 votes (42.2%) 3. Samuel Adams – 31 votes (34.4%) 4. Aaron Burr – 30 votes (33.3%) 5. Oliver Ellsworth - 11 votes (12.2%) 6. Thomas Jefferson – 10 votes (11.1%) 7. George Clinton – 7 votes (7.8%) 8. Thomas Pickney – 7 votes (7.8%) 9. George Washington – 6 votes (6.7%) 10. James Iredell – 0 votes (0.0%) 11. John Henry – 0 votes (0.0%) 12. Samuel Johnston – 0 votes (0.0%) Most popular tickets: 1. John Adams / John Jay – 18 votes 2. Aaron Burr / Samuel Adams – 12 votes 3. Aaron Burr / John Jay – 7 votes 4. John Adams / Samuel Adams – 6 votes 5. John Adams / Aaron Burr – 6 votes Most popular parties: 1. Federalist Party – 96 votes (53.3%) 2. Democratic-Republican Party – 78 votes (43.3%) 3. Independent – 6 votes (3.3%)
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# ¿ Dec 6, 2015 14:47 |
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ELECTION OF 1800 Click here to vote in the Election of 1800! Background: Obligatory Song Newspapers are being shuttered by the federal government. Merchants fear mob violence on the streets of New York and Boston. American ships are being seized indiscriminately by the French. There are rumors that both France and England will soon invade, and that Adams has been calling up on every former Revolutionary War veteran to defend the nation if the time comes. They say that even George Washington was prepared to come out of retirement when he died. States are saying that they will call upon their militias to enforce the election results they want. This is the situation in 1800. When Adams became president in 1796, war between England and France had already been causing difficulties within the new republic. America’s refusal to call a side has led France, led by the Directory, to suspend commercial relations and begin attacking American ships. Though many have called for full-scale war, especially after French officials demanded huge bribes before they would even consider talking to American diplomats, Adams has resisted these calls. His attempts to instead negotiate with the French and build a large standing army, have alienated Federalists and Democratic-Republicans alike. Matters have been worsened by growing political tensions domestically. With the French openly endorsing Democratic-Republicans and several within the party calling for a French-style revolution, Adams has passed the Alien and Sedition Acts to maintain public order. Intended to quell uprest brought about by foreign powers, the Acts extend the Naturalization process, allow the President to deport any foreigner, and punish anyone who publishes “false, scandalous, and malicious writing” against a government official. Given Democratic-Republican control over much of the press, Jefferson has insinuated that the Acts are a veiled attempt at establishing a Federalist dictatorship. He has called upon the states to end this tyranny and, in the South, various states have endorsed the concept of nullification, the idea that states can invalidate federal laws. Adams is not sure who is responsible for this idea, but has vowed to prosecute them when he finds out. Complicating matters even further is Alexander Hamilton. Perhaps outraged by Adams’s association with Burr and refusal to toe the party line, Hamilton has started a one-man crusade to unseat the president. Calling him a man with “great and intrinsic defects in character which unfit him for the office of chief magistrate,” Hamilton has turned the entire Federalist Party apparatus against Adams in an attempt to elect his unmemorable running mate, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney. This battle has largely annihilated Adams’s reputation within his own party. Many believe that Adams will inevitably be unseated. The only question is whether it is in a Federalist coup or a Democratic-Republican revolution. The press for their part have been thrilled by the opportunity to slander everyone involved. John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
Aaron Burr
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
John Jay
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# ¿ Dec 6, 2015 14:49 |
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Before you vote, you may wish to read the local newspaper to find their views on the candidates. Assuming you are literate, here is what you would read:Bache & Co. posted:The President is an old, querulous, bald, crippled and toothless. quote:Jefferson is a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father raised on hoe cakes quote:John Adams is a hideous hermaphroditical character with neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman. Martha Washington posted:Jefferson is one of the most detestable among mankind The Philadelphia Aurora posted:[b]Things As They Have Been (under Adams) Portland Gazette posted:Unrestrained by law, or the fear of punishment, [Jefferson will allow] every deadly passion to have its full scope, private quarrels will be revenged, and public feuds and rivalships will call forth the bitterest hate and vengance. Neighbors will become the enemies of neighbors, brothers of brothers, fathers of their sons, and sons of their fathers. Murder, robbery, rap, adultery, and incest will be openly taught and practiced, the air will be rent with the crisis of distress, the soil soaked with blood, and the nation black with crimes. Where is the heart which can contemplate such a scene without shivering with horror! QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 15:24 on Dec 6, 2015 |
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Thump! posted:When does Adams son run for Presidency? Seriously, John is still the only guy who should have the job. America was meant to be a dictatorship John Quincy Adams will get a single electoral vote in the Election of 1820, which unfortunately puts him just below the criteria to be included as a candidate in that election. He'll run officially in 1824 and 1828.
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# ¿ Dec 6, 2015 15:51 |
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For those interested in knowing how voting took place in 1800, The New Yorker's Party Time provides some delicious background. I would highly recommend the book that sparked this article, A Magnificent Catastrophe: The Tumultuous Election of 1800, America’s First Presidential Campaign by Edward Larson, for those that want to get knee-deep in the bizarre Election of 1800. Fortunately, I will not be trying to simulate the attempts by the Federalist Party to repeal the popular vote or the (likely innumerable) attempts at ballot-stuffing that occurred across the country. Fortunately, Google Drive is probably a little more secure than whatever mechanisms were used by the Founding Fathers to protect and tally the vote. quote:“As you love your country, fly to your polls,” the Gazette of the United States urged. But there was no “Election Day” in 1800. Voting stretched from March to December, and the President wasn’t chosen until February, 1801, just weeks before he took office. To get to the polls, you may have trudged through snow; you may have sweltered in the sun.
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# ¿ Dec 7, 2015 01:27 |
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karmicknight posted:SA Decides, 1788-2000: "Hamilton Appreciation Station." The real reason I started this thread was to get a bunch of goons really into musical theatre. Now someone just needs to make a musical about Henry Clay or Daniel Webster. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 02:41 on Dec 10, 2015 |
# ¿ Dec 10, 2015 02:32 |
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Thank you all for voting. In what is becoming known as the Revolution of 1800, John Jay has been elected President. His ascension is thought to be the result of a rare Hamiltonian-Jeffersonian alliance and Jay's intent to serve only a single term. In a humiliating demotion, This role reversal also has many wondering if it might be time to reform the Electoral College. Making the runner-up Vice President seems like a recipe for disaster. RESULTS BREAKDOWN Most popular candidates: 1. John Jay – 65 votes (73%) 2. John Adams – 45 votes (50.6%) 3. Aaron Burr – 34 votes (38.2%) 4. Thomas Jefferson – 19 votes (21.3%) 5. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney – 15 votes (16.9%) Most popular tickets: 1. John Adams / John Jay – 26 votes 2. Aaron Burr / John Jay – 22 votes 3. Aaron Burr / John Adams – 9 votes 4. John Jay / Charles Cotesworth Pinckney – 9 votes 5. Thomas Jefferson / John Jay – 8 votes 6. Thomas Jefferson / John Adams – 6 votes 7. John Adams / Charles Cotesworth Pinckney – 4 votes 8. Thomas Jefferson / Charles Cotesworth Pinckney – 2 votes Most popular parties: 1. Federalist Party – 125 votes (70.2%) 2. Democratic-Republican Party – 52 votes (29.8%) QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 18:07 on Dec 13, 2015 |
# ¿ Dec 13, 2015 14:15 |
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ELECTION OF 1804 Click here to vote in the Election of 1804! Background: Four years after Jefferson’s first election, the United States seems back on track. Adams’s efforts to end the Quasi War have allowed American trade to flow back into Europe, bringing about an economic boom. A ceasefire between England and France has allowed tensions to cool in the United States, ending political agitation. A repeal of most of the Alien and Sedition Acts has allowed printers to reopen, restoring freedom of speech to even the strongest of Federalist strongholds. Jefferson’s purchase of Louisiana has only further bolstered his popularity and many poor farmers are already making plans to settle in the West. Only two dark spots remain on the horizon. First, Native American tribes have threatened to halt American expansion by any means necessary. Second, the constitutional prohibition on the slave trade is set to expire in 1808. Though these events have some worried, the public believes that both issues can be resolved without much dispute. The only real source of tension in the new republic is the death of Alexander Hamilton at the hands of sitting Vice President Aaron Burr. Spurred by Hamilton’s sabotage of Aaron Burr’s political career, first by preventing his ascension to the Presidency and second by stopping his hijacking of the New York Federalist Party, Aaron Burr challenged Hamilton to a duel. Though many expected the dispute to end without bloodshed, it instead ended with Burr killing Hamilton. The details of this incident are disputed. Hamilton’s supporters allege that Burr shot Hamilton in cold blood after Hamilton signaled his intent to spare Burr. Burr, by contrast, believes that the whole duel was an elaborate suicide. According to Burr, Hamilton realized that the only way to lock Burr out of power was by making him responsible for the death of the “Federalist colossus.” Whatever the reason, the incident has made Burr a pariah among both the Federalist and Democratic-Republicans. New York and New Jersey have indicted the Vice President on murder charges and have called for his arrest. Burr’s former friends in France and England have refused to shelter him and instead are calling for his death. Burr himself is making plans to flee to New Orleans after his term, so as to start a new life in the West. The Federalist Party is currently in a death spiral, with its two most prominent members now dead or disgraced. The Candidates: DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN PARTY CANDIDATES: Presidential Nominee: Thomas Jefferson
Vice Presidential Nominee: George Clinton
FEDERALIST PARTY CANDIDATES: Presidential Nominee: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Vice Presidential Nominee: Rufus King
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# ¿ Dec 13, 2015 14:15 |
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the_paradigm_shift posted:vv whoops abstain then, or writing in Satan. Sorry, but the Marquis de Sade is constitutionally ineligible for the office of president.
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# ¿ Dec 13, 2015 18:19 |
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GlyphGryph posted:Was there anyone else notable running in this election that just didn't receive any electoral votes, or was this really all there was? Jefferson's massive popularity, the Democratic-Republican control of the press, and logistical restrictions in challenging either of the two parties really discouraged any third parties. The tertium quids are making some noise about Jefferson betraying his ideals via the Louisiana Purchase and Compact of 1802, but they aren't at the point where they are willing to challenge their party leader. As we move through the Era of Good Feelings, there's not going to be a lot of candidates to challenge the Democratic-Republican consensus.
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# ¿ Dec 13, 2015 19:36 |
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reignonyourparade posted:drat, as far as a unified timeline is concerned there's really no way to justify John Jay not participating this time around is there? In addition to what has already been said, Jay's health was in decline by this point in history and he really wanted to retire from public life. Given his exhaustion and a likely desire not to end his Presidency as a humiliated has-been, like Adams, Jay's retirement is understandable. Depending on how these next few elections play out, I could see a single-term, anti-incumbent trend emerging. The community's failure to elect Washington is probably the harder event to explain. The only explanation I can think of is Washington coming down with his near-fatal case of pneumonia a year ahead of schedule and the delegates electing Adams to avoid crisis right out of the gate. After that, it's just a matter of Adams being inoffensive enough to make Washington believe he is no longer needed. Adams opposes slavery, but he isn't as much of a hardliner on it as his son is. QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 12:13 on Dec 16, 2015 |
# ¿ Dec 16, 2015 12:08 |
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Because I will be preparing for a Christmas party, the next election posting will probably be delayed to noon tomorrow. In the meanwhile, please check out American Sphinx by Joseph Ellis and Madison's Hand by Mary Sarah Bilder. American Sphinx is one of the definitive biographies on Jefferson. Ellis goes into intimate detail on Jefferson's day-to-day life without falling prey to Jefferson's almost mythic status. Madison's Hand is an analysis of Madison's notes on the Constitutional Convention. It is a fascinating look into the Convention's inner workings and Madison's attempts to rectify his early Federalist-leaning views with his later position in the Democratic-Republican Party. I have borrowed both for reading over the holiday season and am thrilled to finally get the opportunity to read them. As always, if you have a book or resource that is relevant to the American Presidency/ elections as a whole, let me know and I will add it to the opening post.
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# ¿ Dec 20, 2015 05:25 |
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Thank you all for voting. In a landslide, Thomas Jefferson has been elected President. Jefferson promises to end the last decade of Federalist tyranny. RESULTS BREAKDOWN Most popular tickets: 1. Thomas Jefferson / George Clinton (Democratic-Republican) – 57 votes (69.5%) 2. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney / Rufus King (Federalist) – 25 votes (30.5%)
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# ¿ Dec 20, 2015 19:35 |
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ELECTION OF 1808 Click here to vote in the Election of 1808! Background: The election of 1808 takes place in the aftermath of a largely successful Jefferson administration. Though the Democratic-Republicans have diffused most of the major issues facing the country, a small faction remains dissatisfied. These individuals, known as the “Old Republicans” or “tertium quids,” accuse Jefferson and Madison of betraying their promises to strengthen state governments and avoid abusing the Constitution. This faction has coalesced around James Monroe, whose opposition to Jefferson has become well-known within the party. Other major issues this election are the Bank of the United States, whose charter will expire in 1811, America's foreign relations, the size of the military, and the Trial of Aaron Burr. The Candidates: DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN PARTY CANDIDATES: Presidential Nominee James Madison
Vice Presidential Nominee George Clinton
Vice Presidential Nominee John Langdon
FEDERALIST PARTY CANDIDATES: Presidential Nominee: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Vice Presidential Nominee Rufus King
Presidential Nominee: James Monroe
QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 02:14 on Dec 23, 2015 |
# ¿ Dec 20, 2015 19:36 |
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SPECIAL NOTE ON THE ELECTION OF 1808: As you may have noticed, there are several oddities about the tickets this election. In determining the winners, I will count the Presidential and Vice Presidential votes separately. That means that if "James Madison / N/A" comes in first and "Charles Cotesworth Pinckney / Rufus King" comes in second, the winner will be "James Madison / Rufus King." Please feel free to vote strategically to get the ticket you want. I apologize for the delay. Happy Holidays.
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# ¿ Dec 20, 2015 19:41 |
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troubled teen posted:Goddamn these elections suck. I blame Aaron Burr.
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# ¿ Dec 20, 2015 19:55 |
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GlyphGryph posted:I'm confused - why is there no Monroe/Langdon? Wasn't he "unwillingly recruited" by Monroe? The tertium quids are not an organized third party so much as a very loosely organized group of like-minded individuals within the Democratic-Republican Party. Though the Virginia branch is the most influential, led by John Randolph of Roanoke, there's three different "tertium quid" coalitions across the country representing different groups and interests. Because they are not organized, the ballot in Virginia would only read "Monroe." Pennsylvania's faction only was able to secure Langdon ballot access as a Vice Presidential Candidate for Madison, and even then it was against his will. There's nowhere in the country where you could vote "Monroe / Langdon." Empress Theonora posted:Pretty soon enough time will have passed that we won't be able to make Hamilton jokes anymore. SA Decides, 1788-2000: I'm a slave to the central banking system
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# ¿ Dec 27, 2015 14:46 |
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Thank you all for voting. Perhaps driven by a desire to preserve the Bank of the United States and Hamilton’s (pbuh) legacy, the Federalists have eked out a victory over the Democratic-Republicans and their insurgent wing, the tertium quids. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney has been elected President and by his side stands Rufus King. With such a strong showing from Monroe, the Democratic-Republicans may be forced to retool their party to focus more on a small federal government and fiscal conservatism. RESULTS BREAKDOWN Most Popular Ticket: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney / Rufus King (Federalist) - 33 votes (47.8%) James Monroe / N/A (Democratic Republican) - 22 votes (31.9%) James Madison / George Clinton (Democratic-Republican) - 7 votes (10.1%) James Madison / John Langdon (Democratic-Republican) - 4 votes (5.8%) George Clinton / James Monroe (Democratic-Republican) - 2 votes (2.9%) George Clinton / James Madison (Democratic-Republican) - 1 vote (1.4%) Most Popular Parties: Democratic-Republican Party - 36 votes Federalist Party - 66 votes Note: The tertium quids are not a formal organization, but a loosely organized insurgency within the Democratic-Republican Party. Though the exact number varies depending on how you count, the tertium quids make up about 25 votes (75%) of the Democratic-Republican total.
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# ¿ Dec 27, 2015 14:47 |
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# ¿ May 3, 2024 01:23 |
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ELECTION OF 1812 Click here to vote in the Election of 1812! Background: The year is 1812 and after two decades, displeasure with the British has finally exploded into outright war. Upset by impressment, British support for American Indian raids, assaults on America’s trade with France, and a refusal to recognize America’s expansion, President James Madison has finally convinced the Congress to declare war. Thus far, this struggle has gone poorly. Detroit is under Canadian occupation. The South is under blockade. New Englanders are discussing secession as the American army retreats from Canada. This conflict, known as the “Second War of Independence” in the South and “Mr. Madison’s War” in New England, has fractured both the nation and the Democratic-Republican Party on regional lines. Though he was expected to be re-nominated unanimously, the Democratic-Republican Convention of 1812 saw mass walk-outs and protests by Northern “Doves.” To prevent Madison’s re-election, and the possible collapse of the Union, Democratic-Republican opponents to Madison have done the unthinkable – they have decided to work with the Federalists. Though disgraced nationally, the Federalists have thrown their entire support behind the dissident Democratic-Republican DeWitt Clinton. A nephew of George Clinton and friend of George Washington, DeWitt Clinton is considered a rising political star and the North’s best challenge to the Virginian Madison. The Democratic-Republican and Federalist Alliance has accused Madison of incompetently leading the country into war out of a “slavish devotion to the French.” Madison, for his part, has accused the fusion ticket of treasonous slander and corruption. Together with his party’s War Hawk’s Madison has accused Clinton of being a puppet of Northern aristocrats who want to return America to its colonial status. The election of 1812 is expected to be a race between these two men, and a referendum on the pragmatism of the Jefferson and Madison administrations. Besides these two candidates, one last opponent to Madison remains: Former Ambassador to Great Britain Rufus King. Though the Federalist Party as a whole has thrown its support behind DeWitt Clinton, the candidate’s campaign tactics have left some Federalists unhappy. In particular, Clinton’s tendency to adopt an anti-war stance in the Northeast and a pro-war stance in the South has made prominent party leaders skeptical about Clinton’s devotion to immediate peace. Rufus King remains as an alternative candidate for uncompromisingly Federalist voters. The Candidates: DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN “WAR HAWK” CANDIDATES: Presidential Nominee James Madison
Vice Presidential Nominee Elbridge Gerry
DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN / FEDERALIST “DOVE” CANDIDATES: Presidential Nominee DeWitt Clinton
Vice Presidential Nominee Jared Ingersoll
FEDERALIST PARTY CANDIDATES Presidential Nominee Rufus King
Vice Presidential Nominee William Richardson Davie
QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 03:01 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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