Payday 3: We've Been Robbed

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Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

hello new thread i promise that i will treat you with respecahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

couldn't manage that one with a straight face

# ¿ Nov 18, 2015 05:05

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 15:32

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

i click the cops

# ¿ Nov 18, 2015 18:58

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Dark_Swordmaster posted:

did u rebind ur use key? clicking doesnt highlight in stealth mode

# ¿ Nov 18, 2015 19:36

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Dark_Swordmaster posted:

True story: After I play CSGO for a week I guaranteed will try and hit 3 to switch to knife and run faster on a "let's stealth it!" heist.

# ¿ Nov 18, 2015 20:59

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

Signing an NDA does not mean that they trust her more, nor does it mean she is going to get any more "demands" fulfilled. Obviously one can hope, but the meeting yesterday appeased some of the most vocal opponents while promising a sum total of dick aside from "better communication", which means nothing. I don't mean that it means nothing is promised, I mean it literally means nothing definitive and the whiners here spent their collective load while getting absolutely nothing in return except an appearance with almir. Which if your goal was to get on TV with a minor subculture celebrity, mission accomplished, I guess?

It is very naive to think that this changes anything with regard to overkill and the community moderation team. The simplest explanation is that this piece of paper makes them feel respected and included when really nothing has changed and overkill continues to get community managers for free. NDAs are so common in industry that people throw them out just to be sure. I'm under 9 NDAs for various companies right now because supposedly they gave out industry secrets during the loving interviews I did. Spoilers, they didn't, these places are just paranoid.

Honestly the fact that people are assuaged by this on the steam forums just makes me think that the "protest" against "Overshill" is an even bigger loving joke. What precisely could they have told Ashley leading up to the release of safes that would have made her job easier? Or what would she have said that would have fixed all the problems? Wake the gently caress up, the most that would've happened is they would've given her the heads up 2 or 3 days before and she would've been mentally prepared for the poo poo storm. She could have said anything she pleased to Almir, it wouldn't have changed what was about to happen. They are not going to bring her in on marketing or design decisions, which is clearly what Ashley thinks is going to happen in her post since she keeps going on about trust and communication. You're going to be told what you need to know, and that's that something is coming. What, when, and how will have already been decided.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2015 18:27

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Wales Grey posted:

I've always wondered why this wasn't the case beforehand; you can't expect a person to do their job well if you don't tell them about major shakeups that are coming down the pipe.

Because she doesn't work for them.

The reality of the situation is that none of the community management team has actually been vetted at any point prior to this stupid strike and almir's interview. They got their positions purely by being the most active people around, and kept the positions by not stirring the pot too much. None of them owe anything to Overkill beyond sentimentality, and you're a fool if you rely on that to establish a functional system.

The situation works out great for Overkill because the management team does a decent job for no accountability burden on Overkill's part, and, just as importantly, for free. That's the real value that Overkill's getting out of the interview and the NDA - their team shuts up and gets back to what they were doing well, and they don't have to answer to anything the team does or pay them a dime. I'm not saying that Overkill is being unethical here - capitalizing off the excitement of your community is standard, and GOOD, business practice for a hundred reasons - but what I am saying is that they had rock-solid proof that they had value to Overkill and they basically shelved their complaints in return for what is in all likelihood going to be a few crumbs of information that won't really impact their lives at all. Oh and by the way they traded away their right to talk about stuff with relation to Overkill, too!

The real question in my mind is, what were they pulling this stunt for? Was it for themselves, because they have been treated poorly and put in impossible situations? If so, then why the public Almir stunt, and why did they cave so easily? 10 USD an hour for 10 hours a week of work moderating the forums is barely even beer money this day and age, but it would've been an entirely fair agreement for something they were doing anyway, and it would've given Overkill a real incentive to make sure that they're part of the team in a way a basic NDA doesn't. Hell, for my clients I frequently find faceless moderators for 8-10 bucks an hour, and then bill the client for 15-20. This is a valuable service, they knew it because of what they knew Almir was willing to do, and they pissed it away. So they did nothing for themselves.

Was it for the community, because of the massive shitstorm? If so, why did they drop their complaint after getting less than nothing? Again, signing the NDA is not a privilege, it is a responsibility. They are, arguably, LESS able to advocate for the community now than they were a few days ago, precisely because if they hear something, they can't talk about it and provide feedback the way they normally would. Almir promised absolutely gently caress-all on the call but it made them happy anyway. So they did nothing, or less than nothing, for the community.

Really what it boils down to is that the 'protest' was exactly what Almir implied it was from the start - a very vocal super-minority that had no idea what they wanted aside from 'not that'. Being a vocal person who doesn't like something on the internet doesn't make you persuasive, it makes you a joke. I think there's a number of people starting to realize that as the boycott calls break down like Modern Warfare 2's, so their 'protest' had fewer teeth than an 85 year old moonshiner, and even less direction.

And at least in my mind, shelving your complaints in return for less than nothing just confirms that you didn't have a leg to stand on. This entire thing has been a joke. A very sad joke, with people like jivjov as the punch line.

And that's my absolute last seriouspost on the subject. Anyone who responds to this, I appreciate your input so much that I will respond by channeling the Imp Zone.

# ¿ Nov 19, 2015 21:40

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Wales Grey posted:

Payday 2 is the least competitive game I've played in a while; I have no idea how they expect to run any sort of real money tournament with no meaningful anti-cheat.

White Xmas was run by only accepting FRAPS recordings of full completions, which worked reasonably well. Most cheats are pretty obvious, even one of the overall winners used a glitch to bug the cop patching but it was eventually accepted.

The larger issue was he rules, Overkill did an atrocious job of articulating the criteria behind winning. They implied that it was gonna be most entertaining or something, and then just defaulted to most bags, which was never articulated at any point.

# ¿ Nov 21, 2015 00:44

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

under normal circumstances i wouldn't think a drat thing about people mentioning 'tournament version' of the heist ad nauseum, simply figuring that it removes some of the RNG maybe

but again, after the last abortion that was the white xmas heist, i have a sneaking suspicion there will be some horrific curve ball thrown 1/3rd of the time just so statistically overkill will gently caress up one of the runs just to see how people react

# ¿ Nov 26, 2015 21:13

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

realistically i think what the 'tournament edition' of pd2 will look like is:

no levels, always V-100
all dlc
no money limits
only heists with an upcoming or active tournament

eof, that would not be very difficult to set up, while normalizing stuff would require a fair bit of testing and tweaking. they're attempting to address the inevitable variances with the 3 runs rule. it is a little like baseball and tennis that respect - a series is standardized to be a specific number of individual games because anything can happen in a single game of these sports. even a much better team can lose due to a big home run and even a champion tennis player can lose if they stumble and get aced. however, over 7 games in a baseball series or the 3 games in a tennis set (and the multiple sets in a full match), these variants are smoothed over and you generally get something that feels fair.

# ¿ Nov 26, 2015 23:28

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Crabtree posted:

Gotta stomp on that dead cop competition. If they can't kill as fast or as hard as me, more body counts for me.

You laugh, but this is a large part of what spurred Sykic and I on for a long time. He'd routinely beat me by a hair, but I pulled off upsets often enough to make it fun.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2015 01:10

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Nehru the Damaja posted:

Isn't Counterfeit before Heat Street because that's where you get the plates Matt steals?

no that is a completely separate set of plates for counterfeiting money that the gang never really uses but are willing to risk life and limb for because ??????????????????????????

it may seem like i'm shitposting here but i'm actually serious and i'm just using shitposting grammar guidelines because the situation is dumber than my shitposting

# ¿ Nov 29, 2015 08:37

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Basticle posted:

aahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha

# ¿ Nov 30, 2015 04:24

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

good update good contractor good death vox intro good job overkill seriously two thumbs way up 👍👍

also the comments from salty motherfuckers are mega lol

# ¿ Dec 1, 2015 23:00

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

just have nubodhi start singing snippets of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atKUCxXanXA at random intervals

# ¿ Dec 3, 2015 19:33

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Afraid of Audio posted:

i love the new heists, the new perk deck seems real interesting i like this video game

# ¿ Dec 4, 2015 08:06

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

look not into the furbyss

# ¿ Dec 13, 2015 18:53

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Dr Cheeto posted:

New melee - the post button
When you use it all nearby cops look at you and roll their eyes

since most of them wear goggles they make the head motion

# ¿ Dec 15, 2015 21:33

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

I feel like everyone should try ICTV and Ace Bulletproof at least once. It's really one of the most liberating feelings in the game to just sort of trundle through a hot zone, bullets peppering you, and just sort of wondering if there's a draft.

Beyond that, if you're good using Grinder and Thick Skin Ace for your defense there's all sorts of stupid junk you can do. I once did a Shockproof/Counterstrike build with Grinder/LBV - that was a stupid amount of fun since regular cops were actually a bigger threat to me than specials, which were wholly ineffective. Sentry guns are always a kick. Fugimind that focuses on akimbos and a third pistol, combined with Pistol Messiah, is also a hoot.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2015 19:50

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

none of you guys has any clue who you're making this for

there are a couple of subsections of people who would watch a let's play or stream of Payday - the people who are spectating a game like it is a TV event, the people who are hoping for help playing the game themselves, and the people who know how to play, but are wanting to watch other people play to see if there's something they haven't considered.

the first subsection is overwhelmingly larger than the other two in the LP format. you can throw bones to the other two because some subset of people in group 1 become people in group 2 (these are the people who say "I picked up this game because of your LP!"), or some folks might make an occasional comment that shows they might have once been in group 3 ("I never thought about that before!"), but first, foremost, and always, you are there to be the dancing monkeys for someone who is unwinding. this is an important revelation because it leads to a couple conclusions.

1)

John Murdoch posted:

So obviously at bare minimum you'd want all four heisters to be filming their antics so you could cut between all sides of the action at any time. From that baseline, you can keep piling on the fancy poo poo. Cut-aways to pre-planning/overview shots of the maps with Madden lines summing up the strategy. Maybe some interspersed bits of gun porn; highlights of a chosen gun via recording tinkering around in the customization menu and some clips of it being used in play.

bad idea. some cut-aways if something truly funny happens on another heister's screen (such as a cop blasting off and returning to his home planet) are great, but you do not want to make a habit of it. it is disorienting and annoying to someone who is only half paying attention, which is what people will do if they're snuggling in their chair. you want to decide on a 'host' for the LP and stick with his/her view as much as possible to avoid rubber banding people. the pre-planning shots are can and should be organic as possible, with the 'host' playing straight man talking about the plan in great detail with the other 3 drawing insulting pictures of the guy who's talking on the board. might want to avoid dicks, but you could totally draw some pictures comparing vox to a charlie brown teacher while he's sketching out the plan of attack.

2)

John Murdoch posted:

In short, the more you can preserve the heist movie feel the better. Though maybe I'm alone in wanting to downplay the "four goons bumble around in a video game" aspect. I guess that's a good case for both pro and not-pro runs.

good idea! while PAYDAY LORE is a humongous joke, stealthing four stores and doing mallcrashers loud as your first episode makes a lot of sense, while jumping straight to big bank does not. even if a progression is not overtly appreciated, an anti-progression (e.g., heisting a loving thermobaric bomb and then later robbing a couple of ATMs or armored cars) will be noticed and not appreciated.

3)

Tempest_56 posted:

I see it actually with a lot of pauses - stopping mid-action for a few seconds to explain to the audience just why a player just did what they did, or to point out things that happen a bit fast. For some heists, maybe 2/3 takes (stealth/beginner loud/expert loud) for comparisons.

terrible idea. wrecks the experience for people who are just watching. only prospective and current players give a poo poo about your thinking and even then not all of them do. most people are just chilling and watching and they just want you to get back to shooting cops and cracking jokes. also, nobody gives a poo poo about your mad varied strats, if they did they'd be watching [BR]PROgaming instead. if you want to get the crowd of people who view for gameplay tips, you want to be publishing your videos no more than a week after content comes out and you don't want to be doing full heists or going on for 20+ minutes. nobody gives a poo poo. you can talk about the mechanics of the game if you like, that's fine, functional tidbits can be interesting, but if you're interrupting the action to lapse into an autismal treatise on HP granularity , leave it to the long guide link at the end of the video - which will stay way more relevant than anything you say, anyway.

4)

Tulip posted:

I've personally thought about doing an LP, but I have no idea what the best way to show poo poo off would be. Just start with XXV-100 folks and just go through heists? Just let the thread vote on heists to show off until interest drops off / shadow raid wins?

variety is the spice of life. there's nothing wrong with XXV-100 people, but they should be using differing builds, differing guns, differing tactics so the action remains interesting. this probably means you cannot do Death Wish on a regular basis because though it is much easier now, the experience is still quite homogenized in a way that isn't true of Overkill difficulty. you can probably do Death Wish just fine on some of the easier maps for it (Big Bank immediately comes to mind), and you should to put some variety in the enemies and threats you're facing. but if it means you're gonna be sitting in a corner for a break to happen (Framing Frame loud), do not loving do it. you are there to dance. so dance, monkey, dance. or, ideally, make the cops dance for you. on a related note, nobody gives a poo poo if you're doing most of your stuff on death wish or not. playing on the hardest difficulty is only interesting and impressive if it's contrasted against other difficulties. otherwise it just comes off as a pointless wank to your own stupid celebration of playing too much of this game.

what will make your poo poo a success is fun. fun on the screen, fun in your voice, fun in your laugh, just plain fun. you should be oozing fun out of every pore, echoing it in every syllable you speak, and ringing it out with every silly event. if your idea does not contribute to Fun, it's bad. if your idea does contribute to Fun, it's good. that's really the long, short, and simple of it. have fun. so much fun that the people on watching you can't help but have fun too. have so much fun that someone who was thinking of killing themselves can't do anything but grin, even for a moment. and you will be successful.

if you can't have that much fun, then don't do the LP, and instead go out and do something fun, until you feel that deep down exhilaration of joy from doing something that makes you feel feather-light, even for an instant. once you've felt that, you'll know what it is you should be trying to communicate. then figure out how to do that on camera. it is really quite simple. but it is not easy. all this other details like organization, arrangement, cut aways, editing, it's all bullshit unless it's a vehicle to that moment of joy from having a ton of loving fun.

qualifications for this post: i've been autismally doing LPs for four and a half years now and the channel i run with TheLastRoboKy is popular enough that we're an acknowledged Youtube partner with private email support access and up-tiered rates for monetization on our videos, should we decide to do so.

Coolguye fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Dec 27, 2015

# ¿ Dec 27, 2015 23:25

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

people were overtly wondering what 'the best way to show things off' would be, however. and the best way to show it off is anything that contributes to Fun.

worship the Fun and the Fun will not fail you.

# ¿ Dec 27, 2015 23:37

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Tempest_56 posted:

You're vastly misinterpreting what I'm suggesting. I mean like '3 second pause, draw a circle on the screen with a note next to it saying "Remember this power box, we'll be back here in two minutes", then unpause' not 'let's pause here for fifteen minutes and try to describe the science of gunfeel'. When the team's going full bore there's a lot of finer details that zip by REALLY fast because goons have 100+ hours in this poo poo and know where everything is and how it works - but viewers/newbies end up standing there wondering WTF just happened.

same difference. the thing you have to wonder is, what's going on in those 3 seconds otherwise? if it's something more fun (ie, shooting another cop or otherwise advancing the heist) then that's not a great tradeoff and still probably not fun. you can probably get everything said with a quick verbal comment as you're coming up to the thing or going away from the thing, rendering an actual pause unnecessary. if a fine detail goes by so fast that you can't spare a quick comment for something because the host has done it a million times, that's a problem for the host to take to heart to and adjust to so they're more fun to watch, instead of painstakingly fixing crap in post and putting out something that probably interrupts the fun.

John Murdoch posted:

I wasn't advocating for some dickhead editing style of cutting between players every 10 seconds, more making the general point that having extra footage from players other than the primary is better than just having one person's PoV.

tru fax here. worst thing ever is for something hysterical to happen on someone else's screen, the host misses it, and you just have to be like 'OH MAN YOU SHOULD'VE BEEN THERE IT WAS AWESOME'

quote:

The way you'd actually go about editing things is pretty organic. Besides the obvious of "funny thing is happening on the screen of non-primary" you can edit based on the beats of the heist itself. Just using Big Bank as an example, it would make sense to have an aside showing the crane jockey's trip up to the roof and getting the pig going, then go back to the extended shootout in the lobby and forget about them for a while. Once the pig's ready, you can maybe very briefly cut back to show them pulling the lever and the start of the pig drop, before going back to the primary watching it drop from inside. Something similar might apply during the vault, where you might very briefly highlight the saw bitch doing their thing, before cutting back to the main action.

yeah you get this

# ¿ Dec 28, 2015 02:47

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Isaacs Alter Ego posted:

Maybe that makes me a bad

nope

# ¿ Jan 3, 2016 21:06

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Even with no infamy bonuses you can go from level 0 to level 100 in like 4 hours of play if you go full sperg OPTIMAL. Even if you presume it's double that for casual play, that is loving fast. Don't be a baby.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2016 02:51

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

I haven't even played the game in the last 2 weeks and I'm buying this one on day 1 out of PRINCIPLE.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2016 18:34

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

BORIS: VLAD'S DRIVER, BORIS HAS DRAWN THE LUCKY ASSIGNMENT OF BEING "GOAT EXTRACTOR". GET HIM THE ANIMALS AND HE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE MESSY PART - OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD.

ahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaa

this is incredible

# ¿ Jan 12, 2016 18:42

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

the youtube comments are salty as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

# ¿ Jan 12, 2016 18:50

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RandallODim posted:

This is it. This is the colossal goatfuck.

# ¿ Jan 12, 2016 21:52

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

this thread better pop when things happen today, i'm running around and don't have the time to watch it.

# ¿ Jan 14, 2016 17:56

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Afraid of Audio posted:

goat

# ¿ Jan 14, 2016 20:40

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

new heist is amazing, gently caress all haters

# ¿ Jan 15, 2016 02:03

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BillmasterCozb posted:

Watching my brother playing the Payday 2 dlc for goat simulator, ~~there's one prank called "Put some payday nerds in jail"~~ He came across these DIFFERENT nerds at random

Said nerds carry signs saying "Leave our fictional character's original story alone!" and "No more retcons!" It's like they knew.

Mod to change them to "gently caress /r/paydaytheheist" when

# ¿ Jan 16, 2016 17:46

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Afraid of Audio posted:

touch it

just touch it

# ¿ Jan 30, 2016 23:42

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Cloaker captain just gets has the same smoke grenades of his underlings, but when he drops one he just teleports back to spawn instead of staying there

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 17:42

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

yes.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 18:59

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

Pfft. You guys just have to learn to be assertive. I keep pace with Sykic's kills just fine.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 22:01

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Discendo Vox posted:

On death vox you can only kill up to a certain cop quota, after which there's a 5 minute Violence Cooldown.

0/10

# ¿ Feb 1, 2016 23:24

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Edmond Dantes posted:

Well, the only time I played with you two we did the museum heist and you told me "keep an eye on the entrance to see how it's done", you then raced Sykic to see who was the first to put a rocket through it. We stole everything in the museum and only left because we all literally run out of ammo.

good times~

# ¿ Feb 2, 2016 01:07