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I love the effort that's gone into the little details. Stuff like having a bird flitting about in low gravity, just because, is awesome. I only hope they don't frontload that sort of stuff too much.
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Dazerbeams posted:Now that you mention it, his face reminds me of a beautiful and feminine teenage Dexter. IMDB agrees with me. Well he is described as compensating for his lack of morality by imitating other people's, without really understanding it. Guess he's copying Holden
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They also veer all over the place in terms if kinds of plot. In a good way. Like one book might be flying around the inner system dealing with the Earth Mars cold war, then the next is 90% in a tiny colony on a ridiculously lethal planet.
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Nov 29, 2015 13:43
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It gets more exciting later on, but yeah the 'realistic' space combat never ends up as high adrenaline ducking and weaving type stuff. It's more like a tense stand-off with both sides trying to cook up a way to survive the next few minutes.
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Dec 2, 2015 21:52
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The way it works in the show, though, is they just fill the whole space between the ship and the enemy with an impenetrable wall of flak. So it's not just a firing solution but a solution to (enemy) firing 
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Dec 5, 2015 21:30
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I didn't even make it to the end of s3  Like I enjoyed all the flawed characters and so on but then I realised I was 2.5 seasons in and nobody had changed or learned a thing. And whenever the show seemed about to suggest that maybe they should have, it just turned around and went 'GOD BLESS ARE TROOPS DOING THE BEST THEY CAN' 
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Dec 6, 2015 13:10
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Noir detectives are (the only people) allowed to wear fedoras/trilbies/whatever 
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Dec 7, 2015 00:08
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To be fair, Avasarala is his polar opposite and she doesn't come out clean either. ( book 5 red wedding spoilers) The way she not only accepts pragmatic realpolitik but enjoys it (eg she loves letting space-Mengele off with a slap on the wrist) comes across as very mature and hard-nosed and sensible. But only until her entire planet is blown up because she needlessly pragmatism'd the Belt past breaking point.
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Dec 15, 2015 13:41
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Barbe Rouge posted:What? Who's the space-Mengele she let off with a slap on the wrist? And how did she screw the Belt? (early books) I can't remember specifically, but some of the protovirus collaborators get forced into comfortable retirement and she's all 'aha when you're rich and powerful you don't go to prison silly idealists'. She comes across as being pretty smug about the whole thing, rather than just resigned to it. As for the Belt, it's pretty clear she calls most of the shots on Earth. If she wasn't actively making laws to exploit the Belters, she certainly didn't try to stop the people who were. Probably with an "oh the plebs will always get the short end of the stick, sensible people don't waste any political capital on them" attitude.
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Dec 15, 2015 21:47
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Don't get me wrong Avasarala is cool as hell but she has hosed up plenty as well. A well written character! 
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Dec 15, 2015 22:01
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Barbe Rouge posted:1. I think you're remembering it wrong, it's completely out of character for her. You're probably right about my first point, but the second one stands. She spent years in charge of the forces that were nickel-and-diming the Belt for literal air and did nothing about it, and predictably it blew up in Earth's face. I don't think the books ever make the connection explicit, but I can't see it not being there considering she's the de facto ruler of the UN.
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Dec 15, 2015 22:43
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On the other hand, creepy naval intelligence guy was awesome. He's swimming in oceans on Mars now 
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Ardennes posted:The Cold War parallel they have going on is pretty interesting considering Mars (the Soviet Union) is initially setup as hostile (as expected), but by the 4th episode they already have become rather sympathetic. I guess they needed to initially paint them a bit darker, in order for the audience to able to turn around on them. They haven't really had time to show it so far, but the state of Earth will probably surprise non book readers. (spoilers if you want to go in blind I guess?)What the Martian guy said about handouts is basically bang on. The population is through the roof, while technology plus the space boom slashed the number of jobs in half. Like half of Earth's population get free state food and internet, but have next to no chance of getting ~~~A Job. And that's not in the sense of a social safety net; most people on Basic will never have the privilege of being employed, ever. If Mars is a giant state infrastructure project, Earth is a giant state humanitarian mission.
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Dec 17, 2015 10:43
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Could be, but it's the first episode so they also really need to sell Holden since he'll be the main character. She's a big part of that, so I can buy the chemistry reasoning. In universe, I don't remember anyone ever caring about today's idea of race. Every group back on Earth is equally miserable. All that's left is class stratification, ironically imposed by a socialist utopia where nobody has to work if they don't want to. The planets and the Belt are all that really matter. Instead of making hated ethnic groups into the working class, the magic of space living lets them make the working class into a hated ethnic group.
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Dec 18, 2015 17:21
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Um excuse me that is part of the Martian navy and it is named the Tachi 
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Dec 18, 2015 18:16
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I took God in BSG to be the whole process of uprisings and genocide, become so strong that it actively perpetuates itself  Humanity has to survive, so it can go through the whole mess again and God lives another day.I prefer the Expanse novels because BSG was very short on likeable characters (Tyrol, Baltar when in comedy mode, and I guess Tigh?) Also there's less of the "should are brave boys be free to
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Dec 19, 2015 15:06
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They are laid out vertically inside, but the exterior shots tend to show them side on like battleships. Only huge ships like the Mormon one under construction spin; Ceres does too.
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Dec 19, 2015 15:53
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Well the only magical thing about the Epstein drive is that it lets the ships move at plot speed (which is still pretty slow, the outer planets are months away I think) without lugging a small asteroid the whole way to mine for fuel.
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Dec 19, 2015 20:19
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Is that the pill popping interrogator? Because if so I really hope he lives
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Dec 23, 2015 01:42
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Dunno, in the books they don't play a massive role, and don't seem portrayed in a way that's either flattering or unflattering... The plot doesn't go 'author's chosen people/cult conquers space and is better than everyone' like most terrible right wing SF so no worries on that front.
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Dec 23, 2015 14:18
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Zzulu posted:I'm not super sold on the show yet. It has cool stuff in it but I dunno... It's just not gripping me. Still gonna keep watching a bit I think they missed a trick in not making the Scopuli engine room as horrific as I remember it being in the books. Without it the show doesn't have the same feeling that something supremely hosed up is happening behind the scenes.
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Dec 24, 2015 15:25
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Josh Lyman posted:We only had a 3 second shot in the pilot. I'd give them more slack. Yeah, not complaining about the shot itself exactly... It's more that because they only did a short 'whaa?' shot that the show doesn't sell from scene 1 that something really horrible is going on, and I think that might be why not everyone is feeling the hook.
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Dec 24, 2015 16:28
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This thread makes me glad I've never seen Entourage because it seems to ruin the whole show?
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Dec 29, 2015 19:41
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I would legit pay for this if they'd unfuck their distribution
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Dec 30, 2015 21:07
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Except for winning at space battles 
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Jan 2, 2016 14:04
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Wow, show Johnson has an ever guiltier conscience than book Johnson. [books]It's in a side novella but basically he tries to accept their surrender and intelligence shuts him down. Also they do at least attempt to board the station but wreck the life support in the fighting.
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I dunno, I think she still pulls off the quiet pride, just with a lot more prickliness over certain things that don't come out in the books till later. Making her such a leadership rival does cut away at the 'quietly doing my job, better than everyone else does btw' thing though.
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Jan 7, 2016 12:18
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Eau de MacGowan posted:Are OPA a formal military or terrorists? Basically Johnson's OPA are a bunch of belters who pooled resources and built Tycho Station, aka the biggest shipyard and trade hub in the belt. Between that and a bunch of loosely aligned belter trade unions and shipping companies, he has something that's almost a government. Most OPA 'members' though probably don't actually work for him or any of the OPA companies or unions. They just agree with his politics, get a tattoo or three and drink with other people who think the same.
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Jan 15, 2016 00:47
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I dunno, he was probably playing it up for the navy for purposes of 'no siree i'm not some belter hick i'm one of you'
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Zaphod42 posted:Ah okay so I was wrong about him being a terrorist leader somehow, whoops, but there's definitely some interesting event in his past either way that led to him being at the station. They're playing the pronoun game there but whatever, gotta build the mystery. They showed it kinda confusingly a few episodes ago. That station that rebelled, then had its surrender refused? That was Johnson's operation (he's basically strongarmed into refusing by his bosses, but still). He's not welcome anywhere near Earth any more because he didn't agree to be massively promoted and never speak of it again afterwards.
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Jan 27, 2016 23:06
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Maybe it's pleasant? Maybe it gives some kind of oxygen depleted head rush? Maybe it's like huffing exhaust fumes?
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Feb 1, 2016 20:25
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Not when people are flying around like that it isn't. Fuckin belter drivers 
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Feb 2, 2016 10:24
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Tiggum posted:I really hate people using the words "psychopath" and "sociopath" like they mean anything. Amos feels sympathy but not empathy, he can put himself in your position to understand why you feel the way you do but he doesn't feel it himself. Does that make him a sociopath? Yes? No? Maybe? Sure, because it's not strictly defined anywhere, it just means whatever you think it means. Adding to this, it's one of the best things about the show and (some of) the books, and one of the most tedious things about modern media. Real psychopaths aren't magic supervillains who always win and care only about creating misery for puny hu-mans. TV shows like 'Mind of a twisted killer' or whatever aren't a good reference for understanding ~that manipulative backstabber in HR who said I hit her~. There's a reason psychologists are moving away from even using the term, because it has long stopped referring to a thing that actually happens in reality. I'd also add that humans have never needed their empathy shut off to commit ever atrocity under the sun. Amos is cool 
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Feb 6, 2016 17:17
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From the episode they say they know a little about it, but since it's self evolving they need a larger environment to 'test' it in and see what it does.
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Feb 7, 2016 11:30
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Naturally instead of a herd of cattle and some fusion reactors, the environment needed to be a bustling space station 
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Feb 7, 2016 11:38
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Murty was all right but only because he's the exactly kind of person you see in real life who can't wait for the apocalypse so they can ~make the hard choices~ and kill lots of people while shedding a single tear. In terms of moral ambiguity he's still dead on arrival, yeah.
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Feb 7, 2016 13:03
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A pet shop for the Earth elite then? I don't think the Mao Corp efficiency savings team is vetting this particular project... But yeah I guess at some point they have to go human to get what they want.
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Feb 7, 2016 16:18
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Aboard a station, there's built in class-reinforcing mechanic (not deliberately, just poo poo luck). 1G is the most comfortable, so the less you have to spend on an apartment the lower the G you live in. Give it a few generations and you've literally turned the poor into a divergent species.
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pugnax posted:They do mention that everyone [Book 1]working on the project are sociopaths, in order to cope with experimenting on humans. I'm not sure if they imply they make them sociopaths by some drug or surgery or if there's a huge market of scientists who happen to be sociopaths. I could see how a sociopath would just be curious of the molecule and go to extremely hosed up lengths just to see what happens, even if the end result is craz or even no idea at all what it ends up doing or being. Only the lead guy if I recall, and then only to cast him as this disgusting, disconnected thing. And I'd say again, humans consistently do things as bad as or worse than what's on the show. They don't need their empathy literally shut off at the source - they just ignore or excuse it. I mean it depends on the definition; if you say that anyone who could police a death camp = no empathy = is a sociopath then fair play, but if you want to pin it as a specific mental illness then more and more scientists are throwing up their hands and saying that it's nowhere near that simple. Kegslayer posted:General book spoilers I dunno, he literally struggles to understand normal people morality but still binds himself to a do-gooder so he can maybe not be a terrible person. That says quite a lot of things about him, most of them good.
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And not because they're lazy, but because there literally are not enough jobs worrh paying someone to do. All those robots and automation scare stories? They all came true and this is the utopian outcome where the government protects everyone. And people still found a way to make it miserable and crime ridden
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