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Grouchio posted:If these shooters worked for ISIS, would this doom the Democrats election? Nope.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Remember when I said we were going to have pogroms within a decade and you all laughed? Still laughing.
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Dec 3, 2015 15:16
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This would seem to indicate that Trump does not have Tea Party support, since they are usually more well educated.
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Dec 4, 2015 17:29
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DeathSandwich posted:I always figured the higher up in the totem pole of the Tea Party were more well educated and the more rank and file/screaming bloody rage members tended toward uneducated poor white people. Nope, like the actual protesters are usually college educated.
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Dec 4, 2015 17:44
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theblackw0lf posted:Tis the season of miracles. quote:But safety advocates won inclusion of a long-sought provision requiring rental car agencies to repair recalled cars and trucks before renting them. Well, I'm glad that's a thing now.
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Dec 4, 2015 18:59
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MariusLecter posted:
I actually wouldn't be surprised if this attack more or less followed the pattern of that movie. Also wouldn't be surprised if they made a movie about these events in a decade or so. It's happened before.
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Dec 4, 2015 19:40
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Riosan posted:Are the media dipshits also paid crisis actors? They're not actors, but otherwise this is unironically true.
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Dec 4, 2015 19:50
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Torlo Hans posted:Remember when someone said if this was linked to ISIS, the country would lose it's God damned mind? Well this is what it looks like when the country is losing its God damned mind. So far, mostly the same except the media rifles through people's stuff.
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Dec 4, 2015 20:53
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Talmonis posted:That's what I'm wondering, if it's just propaganda that's been going on for a very long time. Though lack of hope doesn't really make sense in the San Bernadino shooting. They have a newborn baby, a steady job, etc. Alienation I can see, but it's not like you see any of the other immigrant groups that get poo poo on (Latino's especially) commiting mass shootings. Radicalization of second generation people with promising lives and educations is really bewildering. Under the definitions of mass shootings iterated a few days ago (4+ people getting shot in one occurrence) I'm sure there's plenty of Hispanic shooters.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:23
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Honestly, I've wondered on several occasions why American terrorism is all about guns and fire and practically never about "stuff a bunch of gunpowder and nails in a pipe or pressure cooker". Lack of knowledge is probably a big factor, as is the mega-easy availability of guns and the untraceability of gasoline. Successful terrorism is never about pipe bombs, but a few are defused every year.
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Dec 4, 2015 22:30
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spacetoaster posted:Wait, are you including McVeigh's bomb in the "radical christian" terrorism? Because dude was an atheist who hated the government. He's ethnically Christian.
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Dec 4, 2015 23:16
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Greatbacon posted:Can you link to any sources? I just did some cursory poking around and I can't find anything talking about it. https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1665&dat=19900402&id=eu4eAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nSQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4338,393725&hl=en
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Dec 5, 2015 04:24
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The Puppy Bowl posted:
I don't really know how you got that from the article. What it's saying is that the meme here about poor rural people voting against their own interests is incorrect. Rather, it's that the only people voting are the already rich in the area. For your hypothesis to be correct you'd have to show that these rich people were actually brought out of poverty and directly benefited from social services (and obviously at some level they did but some levels are more of a reach than others). quote:So after accounting for misinformation, the death of American unions, and general dissatisfaction with politics leading to disengagement is there anyway for the dems to reclaim rural voters who depend on the government to live? The side effect of continued urbanization is a disinterest in the rural vote. Even here, the general strategy is basically "wait until they die out".
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Dec 6, 2015 15:54
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:What? It's not talking about the rich, it's talking about the middle class, and he quoted a long anecdote showing exactly what you're asking for. Obviously, that's not the majority of republican voters, but it shows that the disdainful attitude is seen even among people who used the services at one point in their life. Well, rich is a bit of a stretch, but that doesn't change my underlying point - the people actually on food stamps aren't voting Republican. They're not voting against their best interests.
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Dec 6, 2015 17:19
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gradenko_2000 posted:EDIT: I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but isn't there "due process" in the sense that what it takes for you to get placed on a "no fly list" in the first place? There's due process in the "Stop & Frisk" sense. Literally The Worst posted:man i sure hope nobody in this thread already talked about how the list's existence is some bullshit for that exact reason, that'd just make you look like an rear end in a top hat who prefers to preach than actually talk about things I mean, even with that it's still troubling that Bernie is supporting keeping the list in existence.
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Dec 7, 2015 05:46
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Their article specifically calls out how it would only take a 3 point swing to break the "Democratic firewall" and let Republicans sweep Colorado, Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin, and how critical keeping African Americans as motivated for Hillary as they were for Obama is. It's specifically a 3 point swing for all minority demographics and it's really dumb to think why they would swing towards the GOP. Actually it's not even a 3 point swing for minority demographics, it's assuming that literally everyone swings 3 extra points for no reason.
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Dec 7, 2015 06:53
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stinkles1112 posted:Nobody is defending the existence of the no-fly list. But it's a fine metric to use for additional scrutiny in gun purchases, because anything is, because we should restrict gun rights generally. If you think it's a fine metric to use, you're by definition justifying its existence.
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Dec 7, 2015 07:31
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euphronius posted:Perhaps he will have Indian food instead. Which in the UK is called Asian food.
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Dec 7, 2015 15:54
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stinkles1112 posted:Gun owners are a "tribe" much the same way that people who drive Buicks are a "tribe" So yeah, they're a social group that people notice and judge differently based on inclusion or exclusion to that group.
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Dec 7, 2015 17:56
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pathetic little tramp posted:Which countries? North Korea? Saudi Arabia? China does it in theory (they say you have to register with the local police for whatever city you're in) but in practice no one cares.
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Dec 8, 2015 00:01
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Hulk Krogan posted:People aren't worried about the ban actually happening so much as they are worried about the mobs of scared, angry white people being told that it's perfectly okay to bathe uninhibited in their bigotry and hatred against a minority group, and that their Muslim neighbors are an existential threat. Neighbors is a bit of a stretch considering the housing practices of the modern American city.
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Dec 8, 2015 18:26
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Liberal has been supplanted by "politically correct." Now you don't have to even be a liberal to be hated and it provides all kinds of neat cover for political bullshitery you could never get away with before. You're like 15 years late on that one. Politically correct is now SJW.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:01
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Maybe online, but your typical 'fire up the computer and start The Google' Uncle from Butte or Tuscon is keen on using 'PC.' And they've been doing so for 15 years.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:09
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Moktaro posted:Seriously, if you don't think Daesh is watching this and doing all the moves you're just not thinking this through. I severely doubt they're watching anything American other than the planes overhead.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:14
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CalmDownMate posted:Then he's an idiot setting his party up for failure three times in a row and damning it to total destruction. That's how the modern GOP works. FYGM in a national context. It's inertia that has allowed them to continue on that path for so long.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:28
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zoux posted:Look at the history of liberal prognostications about the demise/fracturing of the Republican party. Then again, Reagan/Bush kind of wiped out the Democratic Party of the 1970s and earlier.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:37
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zoux posted:It could happen sure, but it's useless to try to predict. Liberals have been predicting that the latest GOP atrocity is at last the ne plus ultra, that this is as far as the American public can stomach and finally the Republicans have woven the rope they will hang themselves with. Yet here they are. Again, a party that controls as many offices and legislative bodies as the GOP is not a party in crisis. So would you say in 2008 they actually were in crisis? Since present conditions are the only measure of that, apparently.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:43
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If there's a candidate that will make GOP voters stay home, it's Donald Trump. I've not heard any enthusiasm for him whatsoever.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:53
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zoux posted:
Did that money come from a SuperPAC?
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Dec 8, 2015 20:23
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CalmDownMate posted:Lol why yes justice kennedy is the godfather of progressivism as opposed to say FDR, Wilson, or Teddy. Ted Kennedy, architect of No Child Left Behind.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:29
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The primary issue is non-Presidential elections (I'd say midterm but you get those weird ones like Virginia's gubernatorial election). The primary difference between Presidential & non-Presidential elections is turnout. The specific demographic difference in turnout is youth. Not income, not race (controlling for age, anyway), but youth.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:38
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Yeah I remember Texas was expecting like 2 seats and got 4 instead. A side effect of people moving South plus the relatively fertile immigrant population. I think I remember seeing that black people are heading back south en mass too because there's better work opportunities and they have familial connections to support them too.
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Dec 8, 2015 22:10
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Solar's actually come an incredibly long way in the last decade (in large part because governments and corporations started investing legitimate amounts of money in it), to the point where it's actually getting reasonably competitive with more 'traditional' sources. It's not going to change the fact that Germany gets about as much solar exposure as Seattle.
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Dec 9, 2015 17:52
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No Fly List should be public if it's not already.
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Dec 10, 2015 00:45
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euphronius posted:Is 60 rep senators impossible? Here's the map via Wikipedia:  dark color = incumbent (both sides), light color = retiring incumbent (both sides) The only Dem senators that are really vulnerable (like in a "Trump does a landslide" sort of scenario) are Colorado and maybe Nevada.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:11
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Thump! posted:The distance between Robert Dear's home in Hartsel, Colorado and Colorado Springs is 64 miles. Maybe the issue is the lack of due process, and not the publicity of the list.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:44
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GlitchThief posted:There's a lot of problems with the list, but I don't see how making it public would do anything but make it worse. It would make it harder to justify the list's existence.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:51
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GlitchThief posted:It's already unjustifiable. Apparently not.
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Dec 10, 2015 01:57
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GlitchThief posted:How do you feel the list is justified? Our sitting President is attempting to use it as a tool for policy.
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Hollismason posted:I don't get it. Lots of Dem seats up for re-election and it's a midterm.
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