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Epicurius posted:Some, but a disproportionately small amount. Specifically 7% in recent years, for 40% of the population.
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A land "ruled by an empire" still had people indigenous to the area living in it, how is that an argument?
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Jan 30, 2023 19:19
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The idea that because people didn't live in a modern European nation state they don't have rights to the land they live on is just terra nullius.
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Jan 30, 2023 19:39
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This is just run of the mill genocide denial. Edit: fwiw yes one colonial power selling land occupied by an Indigenous people to another colonial power is a violation of their rights, and has happened many times. Adenoid Dan fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Jan 30, 2023 |
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Jan 30, 2023 22:39
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Nothing the Palestinians do will gain them sympathy from people who see them as subhuman. This has been demonstrated to them by the world for decades. After they supposed to die slowly like good little martyrs? Oops, tried that, snipers were gloating about how many they maimed.
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Oct 8, 2023 21:44
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Civilized Fishbot posted:I think you shouldn't strip a dead woman naked and defile her corpse, whether you'll earn sympathy for it or not. Did I say they should? quote:I don't think the choice is between defiling that dead woman's corpse and "die slowly like good little martyrs" None of the options Israel has provided is "not genocide", so apartheid apologists should stop pretending there are peaceful and productive options to choose from. It's a delaying tactic, nothing more. quote:You sound exactly like right-wing Israelis who say "the nations will hate us regardless, so why *shouldn't* we just kill them all? What, should we just give up and die gently for the PR?" The difference is they actually do have options and power, so enough of this false equivalence.
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Oct 8, 2023 22:05
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Understanding the motivations of other people including enemies is necessary if you want peace. Pretending they are motivated only by hate doesn't help anyone except propagandists for the occupation.
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Oct 8, 2023 23:13
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I'm not sure but I suspect if you said to those guys, don't you realize that shooting these people is wrong? They might reply, "not according to my religion, it isn't." Since that what it goes back to. If you believe in God, there's a Heaven, so why is this life important? Only the next life is important, and it's not like your life has any dignity anyways. It is not a religious dispute.
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Oct 9, 2023 00:41
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emSparkly posted:Was there any statement made on behalf of Hamas yet? Anything leaked out that a journalist picked up? I have to wonder if they're proud of themselves. Are they happy now? Happy that their cause is doomed? Because I am not. There is no more "Free Palestine" after this. The fence sitting cowards of the world aren't even gonna pretend it's some complicated bullshit anymore. It's Israel good, Palestine bad, kill the barbarians. The end. If you're willing to ethnically cleanse Palestine after this event, imagine decades of snipers killing and maiming random civilians for laughs with their friends, blockades to "put Gaza on a diet" by allowing in fewer than the necessary calories per person, bombings of homes so frequent a majority of children have PTSD, detention of children, use of children as human shields during searches of homes by the IDF, use of white phosphorus, spying on telecom and then blackmailing known gay Palestinians into working as spies, tearing out olive trees and killing livestock under the supervision of the IDF, pouring concrete into wells... the list could keep going on.
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Oct 9, 2023 07:23
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Panzeh posted:This argument amounts to "if you call yourself a revolutionary you can do whatever the gently caress you please and no one can say anything badly about you" which is a very thought-ending argument as all discussion of ethics ends up getting washed into a weird morass of 'might makes right'. Israel has killed many times more Palestinians and traumatized generations (could this trauma at a very young age possibly have something to do with the brutality we are seeing?) When Palestine is free, people who were calling for ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestinians will say that they supported Palestinian freedom.
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Oct 9, 2023 08:40
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It's pretty gross how with Israel doing a genocidal bombing campaign people are still focusing on Hamas. Israel is getting a green light from all its partners to slaughter everyone in their concentration camp, how is that not the topic?
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Oct 11, 2023 00:58
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Mia Wasikowska posted:wow 1.1 million children.. that's a lot of children israel are messing up according to unicef! https://www.unicef.org/press-releas...ntering%20Gaza. Israel doesn't care and neither do any of the countries that back it. They see them as vermin to be killed.
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Oct 11, 2023 02:23
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The blame for the genocide and ethnic cleansing goes on Israel and all of the countries providing military aid and all of the countries providing cover for it. A lot of bloody hands.
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Oct 11, 2023 19:08
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When Israel says they will reduce Gaza to a tent city, in those exact words, do you think the intent is to root out Hamas or to cleanse the area of Palestinians?
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Oct 11, 2023 19:24
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He's perfectly fine with murdering children as long as it's done from the air or by artillery barrage or murderous sanctions.
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Oct 11, 2023 22:18
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So we can't question propaganda justifying a genocide and we also can't post evidence of the genocide. loving awesome man
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Oct 13, 2023 22:17
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Since at least the 1930s the intent has always been to remove Palestinians from the land.
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Oct 16, 2023 22:45
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Weasling Weasel posted:I'm not sure if this directly counts as Isreal/Palestine, but theres been a supposed terrorist incident in the Belgium v Sweden football game, involving 3 shot swedish citizens, following the attack on the French teacher a few days ago. Suggests that its going to leak to a new sudden peak of Islamist terrorists attacks in the west. There was a Palestinian child stabbed to death in the US, does this suggest a peak of any sort of terrorism or is it just a sparkling hate crime when a non-muslim does it?
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Oct 16, 2023 23:28
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Nah I've seen enough decades of pontificating about the uniqueness of "Muslim terrorism"
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Oct 16, 2023 23:44
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Pvt. Parts posted:Ok fine, I'll bite. You... don't think there is something unique about the the pattern of terrorism committed by Islamic extremists? Not in any way that's useful to consider separately from, to choose a completely random example, supporting phalangist (Christian) militias massacring civilians or making a fake terror group and car bombing people in Lebanon.
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Oct 16, 2023 23:55
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Raenir Salazar posted:IIRC this isn't true, maybe there were extremist groups who thought this way but they would be a fringe minority. The Zionist movement overall between late 19th century and 1948 was a widely diverse movement as diverse as say, modern day leftism in general and ethnically cleansing Palestine wasn't a view held by anywhere near the majority; probably not even the majority of the minority. For more detail on this, I'd recommend reading the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe. It's pretty well documented.
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Oct 17, 2023 00:06
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Fact checked by Reddit! Lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 17, 2023 00:30
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Terrorism is not the result of conflict with "Enlightenment values" which in turn were not what made those countries rich (it was the colonialism and slavery).
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Oct 17, 2023 00:49
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The only time we didn't believe Israel is when they said they were going to bomb a hospital and then it got bombed. After multiple warning bombs.
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Oct 21, 2023 20:57
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Guys south Africa had some problems but have you considered that the bantustans were ethnostates?? I am just being an honest interlocutor here (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 21, 2023 23:07
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That is a mistranslation, she meant "you are in our sights"
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Oct 22, 2023 00:52
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Typo posted:not everyone no but if hamas like gets an army and conquers Israel next year rest assured there will be lots and lots of dead Jewish Israelis Sounds like we should work to a peaceful end to this then huh
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Oct 24, 2023 20:34
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Raenir Salazar posted:As Typo says this is a goal impossible without a mountain of Israeli corpses. If I say "I wish to destroy the Chinese Communist Party" this would be without a doubt genocidal rhetoric by any reasonable metric, because there is no plausible scenario today where that can happen without millions of people dying. Even though China is not the same thing as the CCP, it's kinda hard to get at Xi without going through the PLA and a lot of Chinese cities. They are taking the stance that all of Israel is stolen land, which is unambiguously true. The "legality" of it does not change that one iota. It is not reasonable to expect Palestinians to bargain from Israel's starting position.
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Oct 24, 2023 20:46
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Raenir Salazar posted:The poster I responded to specified legality, and by the only legal international structure yes Israel existing is legal (but not necessasarily every boundary claimed or occupied by Israel since the Arab-Israeli armistance except those negotiated and signed into force of law by treaty). And yeah it is pretty unreasonable to suggest that the negotiating position has "Israel gone?" as a position, especially in TYOOL2023. That's just a nonstarter and not serious and isn't going to help the Palestinian cause at all and just feeds the narrative of Israeli propaganda. Israel exists and the people there would like to keep existing. They don't need to exist while oppressing Palestinians though and that's what should be advocated for by anyone actually interested in the Palestinian cause reaching a fruitful conclusion as soon as possible that minimizes harm. Buddy I don't know how to break this to you but many atrocities have been and are legal. Israeli propaganda does not need to be fed by anything, it has always been a genocidal state that has always portrayed Palestinians as subhuman no matter what tactics Palestinians have used. When Israel wants peace it will unilaterally give human rights and negotiations over details can proceed from there. "Israel gone" is a serious starting position because Israel is an apartheid state. If the successor state shares that name maybe that's acceptable but it is unreasonable to expect Palestinians to not oppose the existence of the state that has been committing genocide on them for 75 years.
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Oct 24, 2023 21:22
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The state by design has never viewed Palestinians as people on their own land. They do not want that state to continue existing. That is not difficult to understand. The tiny bit of empathy required to understand this is in fact the first precursor to any real attempt at peace. (A state is not its people) Adenoid Dan fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Oct 24, 2023 |
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Nm there is no point
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Oct 25, 2023 01:05
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The reason I don't trust information coming out of Israel is the direct military censorship and extensive history of being proven liars. Edit: in fact it's just a pretty good policy to not trust the guys running the concentration camp the attack came from Adenoid Dan fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Jan 15, 2024 |
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Jan 15, 2024 00:08
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DelilahFlowers posted:This sank my heart down. How debased from morality do you have to be to dig up the dead and remove them. Utterly vile and disgusting. Israel must cease. Israel built a "museum of tolerance" / convention center over a historically important Muslim cemetery.
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Jan 18, 2024 23:12
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Oddly enough Palestinians in the West Bank are subject to the military court system. Make of that what you will! https://www.btselem.org/topic/military_courts
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Feb 1, 2024 19:46
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idontpost69 posted:news agencies traditionally under report suicides to prevent it from being a tipping point for at risk individuals. Children are "at risk" in Gaza. Doctors are having to treat 5 year olds telling them they wish they had died with the rest of their family. Some things are actually important to notice.
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Feb 26, 2024 20:23
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The scraps that America air dropped today amount to feeding about 1.5% of Gaza a single meal. There were 38,000 meals for 2.5M people. This is assuming all the food is found and distributed, which is very unlikely. I think it's reasonable to be mad at that.
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If the state of Israel was dissolved, nobody would make them wait stateless and under foreign military control for 75 years, for comparison.
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HazCat posted:It's also absurd that they talk about Hamas using civilians as 'human shields' when Israel has made it clear for decades that they will slaughter infinite Palestinian civilians without one second's hesitation. Thanks to that 972 article we have confirmation that they are intentionally targeting people identified by their lavender system at home with their families using another system they named "where's daddy." Every time you saw a report of an entire family killed to the last member, that was why. They don't even know why they were targets, just that 1. The computer gave them a score above a cut-off and 2. The target was confirmed to be male (the only human involved step).
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KillHour posted:In the future, speed limits will be enforced by loitering munitions and we can cut out the middlemen. The police drone ai zooms in and its facial recognition system connects you to your ID. Your phone patterns and social network are similar to people who have been terminated for speeding in the past. It tracks you to your home and waits until your family is likely to be in bed. It locks on. It's not dystopian sci-fi, it's how Israel is targeting Palestinians.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:No, that’s incorrect. That’s why I list 1) and 2) . These dynamics have been ongoing for a very long time. Israel has been committing slow motion genocide while the world watches for decades. They chose to risk speeding that up rather than die or be expelled quietly. The last time they did a peaceful protest Israel treated it as a shooting gallery. Their snipers had kneecapping contests. Don't act like they're irrationally ignoring a real peace process.
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