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Had a conversation about the protests where this guy basically said all the shootings were justified because Israel has a right to protect it's borders and those killed were all Hamas members. Argued with him for a bit before he straight up said that there's nothing that would stop him from supporting Israel. 
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Apr 6, 2018 18:02
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Also, it wouldn't be unfair to point out that a huge proportion of Americans are also bloodthirsty psychopaths.
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Apr 9, 2018 12:54
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The few younger Jews I've discussed Palestine with have been mixed on the issue. I'd say about half were indifferent and the other half were incredibly racist and reactionary. I would broadly describe all of them as "liberal" outside if this issue though.
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Apr 9, 2018 16:07
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BDS is war, but gunning down unarmed civilians is ok because they might have voted for the wrong people more than a decade ago.
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Apr 13, 2018 13:51
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You're both reprehensible and incoherent my dude.
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Apr 18, 2018 04:17
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I love how, by default, Israeli concern about having to share power with other ethnic groups is deemed reasonable, but Palestinian concern about having more or less no political power at all is "too demanding".
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Apr 18, 2018 20:11
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emanresu tnuocca posted:It's understandable why some would think letting every member of a certain ethnic group migrate freely to some territory already occupied by members of another ethnicity lead to large scale ethnic cleansing, after all that's what happened in 1948. You're justifying ethnic cleansing because you're worried ethnic cleansing might happen if you don't
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Apr 18, 2018 20:43
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emanresu tnuocca posted:No, it was just some dark humor highlighting the irony of KJI's and DR's line of argumentation. Poe's law my friend.
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Apr 18, 2018 20:51
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Dead Reckoning posted:It's not about denying franchise, it's that Israelis don't want to grant citizenship to a group of people they are still de facto at war with. You seem like the type of racist dipshit who would defend Japanese internment camps.
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Apr 18, 2018 21:47
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Burkina Faso sort of, India...
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Apr 19, 2018 18:54
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You can argue that Israel doesn't have an explicit endgame but it's pretty clear they do. They will continue to support settlements fairly directly while pressing the boot harder and harder on the throat of the Palestinians until none are left. The status quo right now is the Israeli endgame.
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Apr 20, 2018 14:52
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VideoGameVet posted:It won't work. Stunts like "Spectators Watching Unarmed Palestinians Getting Shot" will drive more and more people into the "Israelis are Monsters" camp and eventually, the world (and the USA) will turn against them. At this point I don't see how it matters if the world turns against them. They absolutely do not need the US to subsidize their military at this point and I don't see what else can really be done.
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Apr 20, 2018 18:22
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The only difference between liberal and conservative zionists is the timetable.
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Apr 20, 2018 20:20
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Is Abbas even popularly supported at this point?
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May 1, 2018 20:20
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Am I correct in understanding that the last election in the West Bank was in 2005?
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May 1, 2018 20:29
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Main Paineframe posted:Hamas alone can't muster tens of thousands of civilians to charge into literal loving gunfire from uniformed troops. This is grassroots. And where have you read about the protesters having guns? I haven't seen any mention of that. The repated assertion that Gazans are mindless puppets of Hamas is insanely racist too.
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May 14, 2018 17:22
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Darth Walrus posted:What’s that weird thing he’s got in his hand? A slingshot? A camera? A crutch? It's a sling. You put a stone in the pouch at the end, then spin it around and let go of one of the strings sending the rock flying.
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May 14, 2018 20:41
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guidoanselmi posted:They were aiming for the legs & got confused. Normal accident, most humane outcome. Nothing to see here. Even if it's to be believed that they arent aiming for center of mass, a .308 to the leg will likely kill you.
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May 14, 2018 22:19
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What's the body count up to?
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May 14, 2018 22:24
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:55 Death to weebs
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May 14, 2018 22:35
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Kim Jong Il posted:No it isn't. We have a decade's worth of evidence against that. We have the past few weeks of decreasing protests until today. This is a crescendo before a steady drip of low grade misery. The idea that the left gives violent dictators a pass is such diseneguous bullshit.
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May 15, 2018 02:35
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Your Parents posted:not sure what syria and lebanon have to do with comparing israel and palestine's numbers. israel is not currently attempting to genocide the syrians or lebanese. No but you see, Dictators do bad things therefore it's unfair to criticize apartheid.
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May 15, 2018 03:30
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Miftan posted:I'm not excusing it, I'm giving you background on why it's happening. Those things aren't mutually exclusive, and I'm sorry if it came off that way. This isn't the easiest thing in the world to talk about for me because it means I have to own up to being complicit in that poo poo. It really didn't come off that way, that poster is reaching.
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May 15, 2018 13:17
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:well the soldier who was filmed straight up executing a bound man, remember him? There is no chance these murderers will be reprimanded in any way for sure.
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May 15, 2018 15:53
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XMNN posted:From the GBS thread: He's clearly making a terror kite and not a molotov in that middle picture
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May 15, 2018 18:45
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So weird how the Israel apologists dissspear into the walls when we're discussing the intentional murder of medical personnel.
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Jun 7, 2018 13:37
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I'm just going to assume they are intentionally mistranslating here, right? It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.
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Jun 7, 2018 15:07
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You are such a disengenuous shithead. The idea that any jewish person has the same claim to the land that a Palestinian would is ridiculous.
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Jul 4, 2018 05:50
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zapplez posted:Is Israel really bad for civil rights compared to the rest of the middle east? I thought it was one of the few countries within a 1000 km that wouldn't throw you off a tower for being gay. And they let their women hold down jobs and drive cars. Seems pretty progressive compared to everything around it. As long as you're not the 1/3rd of the population that effectively do not have human rights, it's great!
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Jul 10, 2018 05:39
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Am I to understand that Birthright is suing a group of tourists for having the tenacity to speak to a Palestinian? Isn't the lawsuit just going to call more attention to this?
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Jul 23, 2018 02:01
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Is KJI seriously going to argue that the settlements are illegal under Israeli law? If they aren't willing to enforce that law under any circumstances then it really isn't illegal.
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Jul 26, 2018 06:12
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Main Paineframe posted:The only reason there was even an election in the first place was because the pro-peace Prime Minister was assassinated by right-wing extremists for signing a peace deal, which directly led to Netanyahu gutting Oslo, because Israeli right-wing ethnonationalists are the ones who benefit the most (by far) from Gaza being in misery and permanent war. Putting the blame for Israel's deliberate undermining of the Oslo Accords on Hamas is downright ridiculous. Why is it that Israel is never responsible for its own actions? I also want to point out that even the "pro-peace" Prime Minister believed that the settlements were necessary.
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Jul 26, 2018 06:14
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Kim Jong Il posted:That's not what I meant. The large settlement blocs are legal *under Israeli law*, and most of them Israel will likely keep the bulk of them in any deal via land swaps. Hopefully not Ariel though. I'm talking about the random outposts which are a handful of people in trailers that an overwhelming majority of Israelis despise. It's so weird how Israel hasn't even attempted to offer these terms in almost twenty years. I'm.sure the political timing just isn't right.
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Jul 27, 2018 05:52
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Has there ever been a "strongman" leader who isn't just a giant baby with an army at his command? Most of them are like that tbh
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Aug 3, 2018 13:49
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Preen Dog posted:So you can't even consider that realpolitik rules, even when if you don't like it? That's not what realpolitik means
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Aug 16, 2018 03:15
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Definitely not fascist at all.
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Aug 30, 2018 21:38
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Dunno about you guys but I'm digging this whole 'Bibi delivers a morally ambiguous comic book villain monologue on Twitter' thing. 
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Israel should stop hiding their soldiers behind civilians
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:what's Israel's chief rabbi's stance on whether or not the people killed in the synagogue shooting last weekend are roasting in hell, for their crime of pretending any synagogue not in Israel is actually a synagogue, KJI I thought there wasn't a hell in Judaism
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