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3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Lord Koth posted:

For the other side of the coin, you occasionally had instances where captains would defy orders in order to render aid. After the Second Battle of the Java Sea, LCDR Shunsaku Kudo onboard IJN destroyer Ikazuchi, along with its division mate Inazuma, quietly made the decision to defy the significant risk of submarine attack in order to render aid to the survivors of USS Pope, HMS Encounter and HMS Exeter, rescuing hundreds of men out of the water.

Might've been more humane to let them drown than be POWs

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3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

The Marines were a distraction that successfully baited the Japanese into sending their carrier fleets. Extraction was never part of the plan.

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

They were specifically not used against Germany due to fears of reverse engineering. That changed later in the war but it was strictly an anti-Japanese weapon / anti V1* weapon at first.

*inside England so doesn't count

e: Did a quick wiki and the first time VT fuses were used in a non-naval or non anti-air capacity was the Battle of the Bulge, where it decimated German troops in the open. Imagine how bad that would've been for the 101 if the Germans had that tech.

3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jan 5, 2018

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

At least they get fresh meat every day. Not even the boys in Europe can say that!

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Grey Hunter posted:

I keep meaning to do a Call of Cthulhu game to explore this.

Then again, I'm also wondering about doing another Goon vs good table top wargame. I have problems.

How about a goon vs goon LP of WITP where there is a goon in command of each branch and nation :psyboom:

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Soviet Union starts the game with 20 goons and loses 19 of them after the first turn

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

I think the solution to the goon democracy problem is to have a leader on each side who knows nothing about history or gaming but has to judge the best option among a bunch of idiotic ones

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Triggerhappypilot posted:

Strat bombing requires a lot of micromanagement to make it effective, much like carrier operations. The difference is that unlike carrier ops, you need to deal with strat bombing practically every day.

Also carrier ops are way more exciting because you gotta hold onto your butt when you run that turn every time

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

If you changed Japanese logistics capability and gave them a unified command structure, I think they would've lost in 1946 instead. Add more stuff like the above post mentions and maybe 1947 but I don't see a win anywhere. You just can't beat a nation that can outproduce the entire world on its own. The US had loving ice cream machines on their ships!

3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Jan 17, 2018

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

gradenko_2000 posted:

There was maybe an opportunity to drive up "war fatigue" via mass casualties in 1944/1945, but in the event, the Manhattan Project was too far along and too successful.

I have always wondered how the US would've reacted if Taffy 3 did not manage to scare off the Japanese force. It would've resulted in ridiculous casualties unheard of in American history. Well, maybe not as bad as the Civil War but that's kind of cheating.

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization


I choose to believe this guy caused all 6 Allied ops losses

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Gonna laugh when several massive Allied TFs show up a day later

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

So, what are everyone's thoughts on auto sub ops? I always leave that on (grabbing subs as I need them for specific areas), but I really have no idea how (in)effective that function is.

I am planning on starting a new game tonight. :toot:

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Thank you for the comments on sub ops. I started the game with it off. You guys are right - it isn't that much more effort than a normal setup. :toot:

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

SA was down last night so I couldn't post this when it happened





Maryland, Pennsylvania, and California are the survivors.

e: actually that doesn't seem so bad

3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Feb 2, 2018

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

West Virginia was hit by a midget sub which caused a magazine explosion before the air strikes so maybe fires?

Grey Hunter posted:



Tromp's reign of terror is over!

:rip: Cruisident Tromp

3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Feb 2, 2018

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

quote != edit

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Update: The Maryland sank from fires. 6 total battleships dead. Thankfully the two wounded ones will take only half a year to get back into shape. :rip:

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Docked ships provid 50% of their AA so maybe CVs can provide a little bit of CAP? Need someone more familiar with the game to confirm. I've never been in a situation where I've had CVs under repair at a port under attack.

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Ron Jeremy posted:

Can’t the air wing just be attached to the airbase ashore? It’s not like they’re launching off the CVs moored at the pier.

Airfield could be too packed

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

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wedgekree posted:

Is it going to be worth it to evacuate planes from places like Luganville or not?

He can fly the airworthy ones out but it is probably not worth risking ships to get the damaged ones.

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Long range bombers. 100lb bombs would barely scratch a midget sub

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Jobbo_Fett posted:

LB's would typically stand for "Light Bombers" or pounds.


Depth charges are 100lb bombs...

Honestly I was trying to make a joke and hosed it up real bad

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Betties

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

2/1942 and I'm struggling to escort anything. A brutal December 7th combined with an aggressive defense in the DEI that backfired spectacularly led to a severe shortage of ASW. The Kido Butai decided to cruise through and wreck EVERYTHING. The oceans are scary and I am afraid of everything right now.

This is way more fun than Sir Robin though.

3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Feb 23, 2018

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

What happens to IJA units in China in Quiet? Can they still be used via political points or are they out of the game entirely?

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

The Allies obviously rescued the swimming jeeps and left their replaceable men as offerings to the Water God

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Looks as good as one of the fresh planes Grey's AI opponent delivered to Cthulhu

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Woodchip posted:

I hear an English voice announcing the sinking of two carriers, a battleship, and multiple cruisers and destroyers.

Tokyo Rose sends her regards

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

The bright side is if the KB is wrecking you in one area, your remaining carriers can gently caress 'em up in another.....if you have any

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Lord Koth posted:

Wonder how this'll be explained away in the papers.



For battleships? Actually no, they're not "already replaced." Due to the US moving over in full to carriers, there actually aren't replacements for US battleship losses (or IJN ones, for that matter), unless this game just magically gives them replacements. And, checking the list, the US has already lost half (2 of 4) of the South Dakota-class along with half (1 of 2, the second was last seen with damage) the North Carolina-class. In terms of modern battleships, the US is honestly starting to run out, having only the remainders of those two classes along with the four Iowas (not sure how the final two planned Iowas are handled in the game, nor the Montana-class, but only like one of those would be relevant before the game hard ends anyways).

Incidentally, Grey hasn't lost any of the IJN battleships yet.

I can confirm. I lost 6 battleships at Pearl and I won't ever replace that AA / torpedo sponge goodness. Battleships are worthless until you don't have any :suicide:

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Grey is going to win this with ship kills before his army even reaches Hell

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

I am now imagining a USMC recruiting poster that shows a kitty wearing a helmet holding onto a rope, subtitled "just hang in there", while it is suspended over shark infested waters

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

sparkmaster posted:

RIP worlds tallest battleship

Now if becomes the world's tallest island

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

wedgekree posted:

So the Allied first wave was.. A hundred men?

Almost like they got hit by a Truk


:downsrim:


I'll see myself out

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

I always write off one torpedo as "wear and tear" if it's on an American carrier

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Leperflesh posted:

In all seriousness, a raid on pearl harbor at this point would be a single-day battle at land-based air range from PH in which 200+ planes sink every one of GH's ships and that'd be that.

The obvious solution is to use the carriers as decoys while the surface raiders do the real work. What could go wrong?

3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Grey Hunter posted:

Yep. She was docked in baleopakin or whatever for a couple of years.

One hell of a shore leave

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3 DONG HORSE
May 22, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

Thank you so much for this, Grey. I followed this and your Allied one and both were wild rides. You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

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