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I like it when people trot out the strength of their opponents to discredit a winning record. Nobody knew before the season the NFCE was going to be Clownball University, and not too many people could predict the Falcons would have decided to stop playing 6 games into the season. What else are the Panters supposed to do? Send little care packages to Tampa Bay, Atlanta & New Orleans & say "Stop sucking so much! You're making me look bad!"
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:The statement I made is that of the 14 games the Panthers have played, only 2 have been against winning records. This is literally true. My god, you've blown lid off this whole thing.
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Dec 22, 2015 21:02
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Android Bicyclist posted:What else are the Panters supposed to do? Send little care packages to Tampa Bay, Atlanta & New Orleans & say "Stop sucking so much! You're making me look bad!" That would unironically make me feel better...so yes...
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Dec 22, 2015 21:03
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Android Bicyclist posted:I like it when people trot out the strength of their opponents to discredit a winning record. Nobody knew before the season the NFCE was going to be Clownball University, and not too many people could predict the Falcons would have decided to stop playing 6 games into the season. What else are the Panters supposed to do? Send little care packages to Tampa Bay, Atlanta & New Orleans & say "Stop sucking so much! You're making me look bad!" Even if everyone did know the NFCE and AFCS would be bad, what can the Panthers do? Request that the league schedule them new opponents?
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Dec 22, 2015 21:06
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Here ya go Atlanta, you can have AJ Klein, Daryl Williams, and a bucket of Bojangles Extra Crispy. See you guys in a few days!
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Dec 22, 2015 21:06
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I too am shocked that Carolina's opponents end up having worse records because Carolina has beat them all. The Redskins, Falcons, and Texans would have winning records if they beat Carolina.
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Dec 22, 2015 21:11
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I would love for the Falcons to beat the streak, it would be the ultimate moral victory in an otherwise terrible season but there is no way that is going to happen and draft picks are at stake. Go the Carolina Dabbers
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Dec 22, 2015 21:13
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Sweet. We've gotten the thread to transition from denying the cakewalk schedule, to acknowledging it and stating that they can't control the quality of their opponents. Which is true, they can't control who they play. And as I've said repeatedly, it's still impressive to go 14-0.
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Dec 22, 2015 21:16
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Honestly, that Packers schedule is not much better. They beat the Chiefs before the Chiefs realized they were good, lost to two of the teams with winning records (including the Panthers heads up), and the Vikings are mediocre. Aside from those teams, they faced a murderers row of the Lions and Bears, Raiders (not awful this year), Matt Cassell Cowboys, and the Chargers. Let me find the strength of schedule award because we have a landslide winner here! By the way, I can get to a Cookout with going through a stoplight. I'm in line longer than it takes to drive there, or if I walk it is 15 minutes.
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Dec 22, 2015 21:24
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Android Bicyclist posted:I like it when people trot out the strength of their opponents to discredit a winning record. Nobody knew before the season the NFCE was going to be Clownball University, and not too many people could predict the Falcons would have decided to stop playing 6 games into the season. What else are the Panters supposed to do? Send little care packages to Tampa Bay, Atlanta & New Orleans & say "Stop sucking so much! You're making me look bad!" Pretty sure everyone knew the NFC East was going to be terrible. The only surprise in that division was Romo being out most of the year and not carrying the team to a division title at 9-7.
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Dec 22, 2015 21:28
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Their schedule is pretty similar to the '72 Dolphins as far as the records of their opponents. The '07 Patriots had to beat several impressive 11+ win teams in their undefeated regular season, but they lost the Super Bowl so who gives a poo poo. It takes a lot of luck for a team to go undefeated regardless of how much skill they have. There will always be a couple of games where everything goes wrong and the team shits the bed. Carolina had that against the Saints and in the second half against several teams. They've just been fortunate enough to have Cam Newton who keeps coming up big in those situations. 14-0 and they still haven't locked up home field advantage. poo poo is tight at the top of the NFC.
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Dec 22, 2015 21:31
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MrLogan posted:Pretty sure everyone knew the NFC East was going to be terrible. The only surprise in that division was Romo being out most of the year and not carrying the team to a division title at 9-7. I actually think Dallas is a pretty good team with Romo at the helm. Their defense played for what they were dealt with on the other side of the line. Obviously he was rushed back against the Panthers, and picked a bad team to have your comeback game against.
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If Romo was healthy all year the Cowboys probably have 10 wins by the end of the season, 9 for sure. Romo puts up 400 yards on the Saints passing "defense", he is worth at least 1 point more in the Seahawks game (they lost by 1), I imagine they could have scored over 10 points against the Bucs with him, and they lost two other games by a FG with either Weeden or Cassell "leading" the way. Romo is such a big upgrade over those two I don't think any metric could adequately express it. edit from N/V MrSargent posted:From the NFL: Ron Rivera to eliminate bat from Panthers' pregame routine, says "it's the 'No Fun League' for a reason". Ribsauce fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Dec 22, 2015 21:35
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Why don't we talk about the strength of teams that contenders have lost to?
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Dec 22, 2015 21:41
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"You see, this team that has not lost a football game is not actually good, because they only beat x good teams, instead of x+1"
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Dec 22, 2015 21:52
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Alaois posted:"You see, this team that has not lost a football game is not actually good, because they only beat x good teams, instead of x+1" When you get right down to it, the Browns and the Titans are two very good teams that managed to beat better teams despite being bad.
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Dec 22, 2015 22:14
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It feels much more damning for the Packers having lost to two 5-9 teams than it does that the Panthers haven't played 'good enough' teams.
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Dec 22, 2015 22:21
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Like yeah ok the panthers had an easy schedule, except the pats lost to the eagles (lol), the chiefs lost to the bears, packers lost to the loving lions, broncos lost to the colts, and the cardinals lost to the rams. Those are all "good" teams with a winning record that lost to "bad" teams with a losing record. The panthers played a lot of bad teams and also a couple good ones and didn't lose a game. You want to see a fraudulent team, you look at the Falcons stumble their way to 6-1 beating poo poo teams and then proceed to implode as the season dragged on. Falcons schedule was at least as easy as Carolina, only good teams they played were the Panthers and Vikings. Yeah if they were in a tougher division and had to play the steelers or bengals twice they might have a loss in there. I guess then they'd be the only one loss team instead of the only undefeated team 
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Dec 22, 2015 22:40
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The Panthers are 14-0, but all the teams they beat have lost at least one game, making them losers. So really, the Panthers have beaten no one except losers, which makes them the biggest losers of all.
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Dec 22, 2015 22:42
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Tato posted:The Panthers are 14-0, but all the teams they beat have lost at least one game, making them losers. So really, the Panthers have beaten no one except losers, which makes them the biggest losers of all. They just don't have any quality losses to prove they are good
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Dec 22, 2015 22:47
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The strength of schedule argument works in College ball because schools have at least some control over who they play. The NFL one is dumb because teams have zero control over it. There I solved it we can all go home
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Dec 22, 2015 23:00
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Joey Freshwater posted:The strength of schedule argument works in College ball because schools have at least some control over who they play. The goon this thread deserves.
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Dec 22, 2015 23:41
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gently caress that team, they are garbage for beating teams they are suppose to beat. gently caress that team, they are garbage for losing to a team they are suppose to beat.
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Dec 22, 2015 23:51
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Athanatos posted:gently caress that team, they are garbage for beating teams they are suppose to beat. I think I understand now. The only good team is a team that loses to everyone they're supposed to beat, but beats everyone they're supposed to lose to. My god, Jeff Fisher truly is a genius.
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Dec 22, 2015 23:57
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Playoff tickets sold out in a literal minute. Wish I could go but I'll be stuck at work throughout the entirety of the playoffs -- except I made sure I got Super Bowl Sunday off.  Gratz to any of y'all who got tickets and/or are available to go.
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Dec 23, 2015 00:08
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Wins against quality opponents aren't the only measurement of how good a team is. Great teams also tend to blow out weaker teams. The Panthers have had some very decisive victories. They've also blown some massive leads, which worries me. But if you look at parts of the games, they've held 21+ point leads against a lot of teams. They're not frauds. They're not true front-runners like some of the other late-season undefeated teams, but they're not frauds.
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Jesus christ dudes, theres been one team in 40 years to 16-0 you dont do it and "get lucky" or face a weak schedule. If cam wasnt as good as he is we lose at least one, if the defense doesnt stand up at the right time we lose at least 2. The whole bullshit about having an easy schedule is just that. If the Panthers go 16-0 its a tremendous achievement regardless of who they played.
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Slowpoke! posted:Wins against quality opponents aren't the only measurement of how good a team is. Great teams also tend to blow out weaker teams. The Panthers have had some very decisive victories. They've also blown some massive leads, which worries me. Plus those leads were blown to Drew Brees, Andrew Luck and Eli Manning. The overall records for those teams isn't great, but those QBs are still really good.
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BlindSite posted:Jesus christ dudes, theres been one team in 40 years to 16-0 you dont do it and "get lucky" or face a weak schedule. Nah man, it's cool, he said it's impressive. Just not as impressive as you would think a 14-0 team would be because
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10 pro bowlers remember when the pro bowl mattered
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FizFashizzle posted:10 pro bowlers Just glad Thomas Davis finally got voted in. A grave misjustice in the universe has been righted.
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What I get from this is that if the Panthers go 16-0 it's pointless if they fall in the playoffs or lose the superbowl.
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Pope Mobile posted:What I get from this is that if the Panthers go 16-0 it's pointless if they fall in the playoffs or lose the superbowl. Basically.
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Late but any southerner who denies sweet tea and fried chicken must humble himself under my mighty hand so that i may lift you up in due time (Nick 3:16) oh hell yeah
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Dec 23, 2015 04:44
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waah posted:Just glad Thomas Davis finally got voted in. A grave misjustice in the universe has been righted. This. I don't give a single poo poo about the Pro Bowl but I'm happy for TD -- long overdue and richly deserved.
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There's maybe 8 good teams, everyone has a weak schedule this year, if you ask me
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I'm glad the thread has realized that the Panthers are bad and are fraudulent frauds that would struggle to finish 4th in the SEC West. That's not a compliment because Alabama would struggle to finish 5th in the Big Ten West. Because the South is Bad in Football. Also Cookout and Bojangles are fried crap now a heaping plate of Skyline that hits the sp....gently caress I can't even finish that sentence my troll game isn't that good.
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BlindSite posted:Jesus christ dudes, theres been one team in 40 years to 16-0 you dont do it and "get lucky" or face a weak schedule. It is. But people are not going to stop throwing bones at them because of how many soft teams there are in the league this year.
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C. Everett Koop posted:I'm glad the thread has realized that the Panthers are bad and are fraudulent frauds that would struggle to finish 4th in the SEC West. That's not a compliment because Alabama would struggle to finish 5th in the Big Ten West. Because the South is Bad in Football. Take back everything you said about Bojangles. Thems fightin' words.
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My girlfriend got me a Mike Tolbert jersey for Christmas. I freaked out like a little kid. I saw the jersey and was like "Oh sweet, I bet it is Cam, or maybe Luke, could be Josh Norman" then I saw the 35 and freaked out. Everyone I know knows I love Tolbert, but I can't believe she actually got me a Tolbert jersey. I probably have to go back to when I was like 12 to find a present I was so excited about. Well, thanks for letting me share.
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