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The Hunter Exam
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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Bad Seafood posted:

Hunter x Hunter is an action-adventure manga written and illuswait that's uh not the right video, sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjq7aj8MhiY

Good Morning is the superior opening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hANaSlH9wpw

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Alder posted:

Is this one the shounen where they have capable adults? Now that im old I feel like I can relate to them more than the kids.

There are.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
I liked the Adult Gon thing, but introducing a limitless genie character to erase most of the consequences was bullshit.

Though it wasn't as bad as it could have been, since Gon still ended up with weaker powers.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

NecroMonster posted:

Ging's likely got some sort of copy Nen going on, like Chrollo, only with different mechanics and restrictions.

it's too bad we'll never know for sure.

I don't think he has a Specialist power that lets him copy other people's abilities so much as he's so good at Emission that he could recreate Leorio's techniques from scratch.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Bad Seafood posted:

I always figured Ging was one of those types where, yeah, when you look at what he's done as a hunter, what he's accomplished, pretty sweet stuff, but you meet the dude himself and he's a peon of a man, not really that great.

I don't think that's quite it. I think the reasons people like him and the reasons people hate him are partly the same reasons. Remember how Razor thought it was really cool and moving that Ging wanted him to try to kill Gon?

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Ytlaya posted:

The Hunter Association should just keep a supply of Hunters on hand that haven't created their Nen specialization yet just in case some super strong bad guy appears, like the Ant King. They should then have one of these non-specialized hunters create some ability that can only be used against that one enemy within some specific time-frame. It would be like Kurapika's chains, except multiplied by 12 or whatever (or more if you make some "can only ever be used within the next month" condition).

I'm not sure how well that would work. I think part of the reason Kurapica's anti-Troupe abilities are so powerful is because he genuinely hates them. Plus he had a lot of potential to begin with. Plus Meruem was stronger than Chrollo, and the Dark Continent threats were stronger than Meruem.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Serious Frolicking posted:

I'm pretty sure that just about any nen user could pass the hunter exam. Squala could use nen, so therefore he had either learned it after passing the exam or else he learned it on his own which would have let him pass anyway.

I doubt those disabled Nen users from Heaven's Arena could have passed the exam the protagonists took. Plus there's a chance of failing some arbitrary non-combat test, like that cooking exam. When you think about it, Killua was pretty lucky that the first test of the one he passed was just a straight-up brawl.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Serious Frolicking posted:

That was because of using nen? I thought it was due to guilt over killing Pakunoda. I guess you could interpret it as him being delirious and then seeing the people he killed instead of becoming delirious after killing people.

That would be in character for 1999 anime Kurapica, but I didn't get the impression 2011/manga Kurapica felt any regret about killing Phantom Troupe members.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

RC Cola posted:

I read up until the end of the chimera arc and then I think there was a dark Continent? I stopped for some reason. How far into it am I?

Almost done. There's the short election arc (ending with Gon meeting Ging and Ging explaining the Dark Continent), then a handful of chapters of the Kakin succession test and everyone preparing to go to the Dark Continent, then the current hiatus.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

e X posted:

One Piece?

Yeah, there's no actual romance involving main characters in One Piece. Hancock's feelings toward Luffy are completely unrequited, and Sanji flirting with every reasonably attractive woman he meets is treated as a joke. Sai and Baby 5 fall in love in the Dressrosa arc, but they're minor characters.

Edit: Unless "with a female main character" means that the main character is female, which is rare in shonen to begin with. The only shounen that comes to mind is Soul Eater, which has plenty of shippy stuff, although I don't think Maka ever actually has an unambiguous romantic relationship.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jan 11, 2016

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Alder posted:

I should finish reading SE but it gets really draggy at the end in both the manga and anime.

Yeah pretty much it's uncommon so I'll keep hoping HxH will continue soon.

The Soul Eater manga after the end of the Book of Eibon/Noah arc felt like the author was kind of phoning it in, and it led up to a weird non-ending.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Alder posted:

I find Hisoka scarier in the 1999 version than the recent one. Also everything looks so dark.

Agreed. 1999's atmosphere is much better, especially in the Hunter Exam arc.

It's a pity the subtly changed so much characterization, etc., though. For example (although I might be misremembering a little), there's a bit in the manga where Killua tells Gon that he plans to capture his family. It's clear from his facial expression, etc. that this is simply idle bragging. The 1999 anime makes it seem like Killua is totally serious about it. Similarly, 1999 has Kurapica praying and vomiting after killing Uvogin, while in the manga he's much colder about it. Then you have Gon's mother being Mito's sister in 1999, while in the manga she's a complete mystery (not really a change for the worse so much as something that didn't really add anything).

One 1999 change I did like was making Lelute a psychologist who deliberately drove her patients to suicide instead of helping them get better, while in the manga she's either a poacher or a smuggler who happens to know some psychology factoids. It's telling that the one of the Wikipedia articles about the manga incorrectly mentions Lelute being a psychologist; the manga version just makes less of an impression.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Momomo posted:

Are you sure about that? I thought Ging was Mito's brother, and that would mean...

I should probably check, but in 1999 she was Ging's childhood friend who obsessed over him, but he married her sister instead. Maybe she was Ging's sister in the manga? Or maybe his cousin?

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Serious Frolicking posted:

That theory discounts people who are really dedicated to a particular kind of weapon. Those exist in the real world, too.

Yes, which is why some people do use swords, like that one Phantom Troupe guy.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

You could gather all the Captains and they probably couldn't put a dent in a single Royal Guard.

Ehh, Kenpachi should be about even with that sword guy.

:v:

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Roland Jones posted:

One of two reasons, I think. Either one, because we had a big discussion about this at some other point in the thread, or two, because people figure King's asking while being at the point in the series after the chains are revealed but before we learn that, yes, they're conjured, and is unwittingly asking about a big spoiler. One of the two.

It's probably because this thread has had big arguments about the relative merits of the different Nen types.

Personally, I'd say Specialization>Enhancement>Transmutation>Manipulation>Conjuration>Emission

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

MonsterEnvy posted:

Why do you rank Emission so low?

It seems kind of narrow.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Allarion posted:

Like this reads like the editors were caught off guard about it too, since it has no set idea if they're coming back or not.



At least it's a confirmation that illness of some sort is involved; it's not just Togashi playing Dragon Quest like people say.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
They also cut some stuff early on (like everyone trying to figure out what sushi was), and didn't introduce Kite until the Chimera Ants arc.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

MonsterEnvy posted:

He should seriously have his wife draw for him.

I think she might already be doing some of the drawing. The character designs seem to have gotten kind of Sailor Moon-ish lately.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Ytlaya posted:

I was re-reading the election/Alluka arc and noticed that when it shows the Zoldyck family interconnection diagram it says that Kalluto "envies" Alluka. I wonder why that is? Maybe because Killua is close to her/him?

The :smith: explanation is that Alluka doesn't have to kill people. (Nanika kills plenty of people, of course.)

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Interesting how the actors in the musical all look perfectly right...except the ones playing Gon and Killua. To be fair, it's hard finding people young/short enough who can still play what I assume are the most demanding parts, and Gon's most visually distinctive trait is a hairstyle that's basically impossible for a real person.

Also interesting that the musical's interpretation of Bungee Gum is basically Doflamingo's powers from One Piece.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 07:19 on May 11, 2016

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Wasn't it stated that Kalluto's reason for joining was to bring Killua back to his family? I guess his plan was to betray Phantom Troupe as soon as Kurapica and his friends (presumably including Killua) attacked them, in order to make Killua friendlier with him.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Bad Seafood posted:

I don't want the rest of the Spiders to show up this arc because I'm kinda sick of them by this point. They've been overexposed.

That said, fantastic chapter. It was great seeing Hisoka get clowned for once, and it's gonna be great to see him doing some clowning in the near future.

How are the non-Chrollo Spiders overexposed? Franklin hasn't really done anything yet. Phinx and Bonolenov got one short fight apiece and that was it. Feitan showed off more when fighting, but still never did anything outside of one fight. Kortopi has a plot-important power, but he's gotten no actual focus as a character. Machi healed Hisoka, talked about her intuitions, and that was it. Nobunaga did nothing aside from getting humiliated by Gon and Killua. Kalluto, Shizuku, and Shalnark actually did some things, but I still wouldn't call them overexposed (Kalluto in particular still feels underexplored). Pakunoda and Uvogin did get a lot of focus, but they're already dead.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Serious Frolicking posted:

Chrollo is a horrible monster for the sake of being a horrible monster. Hisoka is a horrible monster for the sake of feeding his murder boner. Hisoka is still somehow the more sympathetic of the two.

Chrollo's motivations are quite vague, really. Didn't he say he wanted to start a revolution on behalf of the dead or something like that? And there was a brief flashback of him being obsessed with a videotape?

Hisoka's motivations, on the other hand, are actually very straightforward. We don't know much of his backstory aside from his family being poor, but we don't really need any.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Regarding the Hisoka origin: I'm not sure we really needed origin stories for Bungee Gum and Deceitful Texture. Having them both be variations on the abilities of the first person he fought seems a bit contrived. Really, we don't need much of an origin story for Hisoka in general, and this one doesn't even have the obvious character beat (Hisoka realizing that strong opponents turn him on after being in a close fight for the first time).

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Begemot posted:

Hisoka is already a murder clown at the start of this "origin".

Is he? He's already a clown who likes to troll people with magic tricks, but the only person he kills in this chapter is an unambiguous villain, and there isn't even much indication that he particularly enjoys killing him. Hisoka embracing his sadomasochistic tendencies could be placed after this chapter just as easily as before.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Stairmaster posted:

but really its more uninspired than the two movies which is like why even bother(Besides money).

The two movies are actively terrible in a way this chapter wasn't, though. Phantom Rouge (shouldn't it be Phantom Rogue?) had them fighting copies of the same enemies from the Yorknew arc instead of introducing new abilities, and ended with our heroes standing aside to let a little girl commit suicide. The Last Mission had an evil bizarro-Nen fueled by hatred (even though normal Nen can be fueled by hatred anyway), and has basically the same plot as all the Bleach fillers, with Netero standing in for Yamamoto.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Serious Frolicking posted:

Kalluto is weird as heck. His family barely seem to acknowledge his existence, even when he is present. Then there is how he joined the spiders to bring Killua home. How does that even work?

I think the idea was that when Kurapica tried to kill the Spiders again, Killua would be with him again, and Kalluto could get into Killua's good graces by betraying the Spiders. Although if that was his plan, it's ruined now that Killua is hanging out with Alluka and Kurapica has joined the Zodiacs.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Serious Frolicking posted:

none of the main characters have any interest in killing hisoka. for that matter, they also lack the ability to kill hisoka.

Killua might, if he finds out that Hisoka killed Gotoh.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

EmmyOk posted:

He is listed as an Enhancer but he is the only Troupe member we've met that has not displayed their ability. Keep in mind Enhancers can also just make objects more powerful as opposed to just being heavy hitters à la Uvogin and Phinks.

I think En is supposed to count as his special ability. Pretty lame when other people have En with a wider range and a unique ability in addition, though.

EmmyOk posted:

The spiders don't really get tangled up with the protagonists, they get tangled up in major world affairs.

I was about to say this. A lot of Nen users decided to go play Greed Island after the copies became available, a lot of Nen users went to fight the Chimera Ants, and now a lot of Nen users are going to the Dark Continent. A lot of Nen users participated in the election too, but the Phantom Troupe sat that one out.

Remember that there were only 661 Hunters as of the start of the election. The total number of humans who can use the fundamentals of Nen is higher than that, but probably still only in the thousands. It's not surprising that the same people tend to get involved in multiple major Nen-related events.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Serious Frolicking posted:

it is possible that feitan and phinks would have trouble passing the hunter exam due to their huge attitude problems, and shizuku has a faulty memory. the rest wouldn't have any trouble at all passing the hunter exam.

Uvogin outright said he didn't want a Hunter's license because he was proud of being an outlaw. Chrollo probably has similar reasons but would express them more pretentiously.

Nobunaga doesn't seem very bright.

Bonolenov and Franklin have rather recognizable appearances, and Franklin at least probably has a bad enough reputation to make even Netero hesitate to give him a license. Bonolenov comes from an isolated tribe; it's possible he joined the Troupe and became a notorious criminal before he even learned what Hunters were.

Kalluto is (or was until very recently) actually too young to take the Hunter Exam; the minimum age is 12.

Not sure why Kortopi, Pakunoda, and Machi didn't get licenses, though.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Jun 16, 2016

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Bad Seafood posted:

Considering Netero knowingly passed both Hisoka and Illumi, the latter after watching him coerce his own 12-year-old brother into murdering a man in cold blood, I'm having a hard time seeing him balk at Franklin's credentials.

Illumi is the grandson of one of Netero's friends. In any case, all the killing Hisoka and Illumi have done (IIRC) is the kind of thing someone like Netero or Ging would probably shrug off with "they knew the risks." I'm pretty sure Franklin has actually killed uninvolved people.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

EmmyOk posted:

I Illumi apologism going on rn? If you don't have murder boners and cut speech symbols you can't do that poo poo

I did say "IIRC," because I don't remember the details of everything Illumi has done. I do remember that Zeno makes a point of only killing the people he's specifically hired to kill, but I think one of the other Zoldycks (Kikyo?) did some experiments with Alluka's power that killed a bunch of random people.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Clarste posted:

It was a plot point in the election arc that the Hunter Exam has no filter for mass murderers (Illumi specifically being the poster child for "everything wrong with the Hunter exam"), and all the candidates had various things to say about exam reform. Netero was just a crazy dude who didn't care who passed as long as they were strong.

I guess you're right. Maybe Franklin could have gotten a license if he'd wanted one after all.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Clarste posted:

Only like 2.5 princes have received any characterization yet, and it's very likely that the rest will die before they become relevant. It's definitely Togashi's style to have a couple of surprise characters who receive unexpected importance in the arc, but 2/3 of these people are going down before you'll get a chance to remember their name, so I wouldn't bother trying yet.

Most of them have at least some kind of hobby or vice to distinguish them. I'm interested in seeing if their Nen beasts reflect those.


Roland Jones posted:

On this topic, the wiki actually made that same mistake; her own page lists her as female, but on other pages Tyson's referred to as male. Like, she's listed as "brother" or "half-brother" or "son" in everyone's relationship pages, and her mother's page refers to giving the king a son and not a daughter.

Was Tyson's gender ever explicitly stated either way? Though Tyson is a pretty over-the-top gay stereotype if male.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012
Phantom Rouge has Chain Jail working on Omokage because Kurapica views him as still a member even if the other Troupe members don't. Phantom Rouge is stupid, though.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

NecroMonster posted:

It's not, lets be honest, this is a dude who was locked into his hotel room by his editor because he was too loving god damned lazy to actually draw and then parlayed that incident into a (nearly complete) early retirement.

Is there an actual source for this? People keep repeating this, but I suspect it's an urban legend.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Tunicate posted:

My new theory is that he ages two years for every year Araki doesn't.

Speaking of Araki, I prefer the theory that he's a Rock Human.

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Begemot posted:

Togashi fits the profile better, they have to hibernate for months on end, and Jojolion is pretty consistent.

I'm convinced this page is a direct reference to him :v:

I meant Togashi was one, not that Araki was one.

And yes, that was the page I was thinking of.

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