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Toasticle posted:The point you missed is framers like Jefferson thought the whole thing should be re-ratified every 19 years, not clinged to for two centuries. And the Constitution has been repeatedly amended. Its latest edition dates to 1992, making many SA members older than the latest update.
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Toasticle posted:The point you missed is framers like Jefferson thought the whole thing should be re-ratified every 19 years, not clinged to for two centuries.
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Feb 23, 2016 23:42
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Can you point to a time in American history where the 2nd amendment wouldn't be re-ratified if this were the case? If you could maybe you would have a point. Guns have always been popular and looking at background checks for firearms sales in the past few months, have never been more popular than right now. The argument isn't against guns, it's an argument against appealing to tradition by saying that it's the longest running constitution in the world. It's such an incredibly suspect thing to say that it needs addressing before the whole gun thing can be broached
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Can you point to a time in American history where the 2nd amendment wouldn't be re-ratified if this were the case? If you could maybe you would have a point. Guns have always been popular and looking at background checks for firearms sales in the past few months, have never been more popular than right now. 86% of US citizens are in favor of universal background checks, the majority of Americans feel the laws governing firearms sales should be more strict. Unfortunately the 2nd Amendment is worded so diffusely that it's difficult to assess whether this means the majority would be for or against a re-ratification of the 2nd, since nobody can actually agree what "a well regulated militia" is supposed to mean.
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Feb 23, 2016 23:50
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Can you point to a time in American history where the 2nd amendment wouldn't be re-ratified if this were the case? Pretty much something huge like that to cause a temporary swell of support against guns.
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Feb 23, 2016 23:52
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Do you see what the news has done by delaying the report on the audio recording?
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Do you see what the news has done by delaying the report on the audio recording? Caused a discussion about what to do to stop these kinds of things?
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Feb 24, 2016 00:01
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botany posted:86% of US citizens are in favor of universal background checks, the majority of Americans feel the laws governing firearms sales should be more strict. Unfortunately the 2nd Amendment is worded so diffusely that it's difficult to assess whether this means the majority would be for or against a re-ratification of the 2nd, since nobody can actually agree what "a well regulated militia" is supposed to mean. I thought that was the National Guard?
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botany posted:86% of US citizens are in favor of universal background checks, the majority of Americans feel the laws governing firearms sales should be more strict. Unfortunately the 2nd Amendment is worded so diffusely that it's difficult to assess whether this means the majority would be for or against a re-ratification of the 2nd, since nobody can actually agree what "a well regulated militia" is supposed to mean. The language is purposefully ambiguous for that very reason.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:As am I. Universal background check = people buying guns. I'm not sure why you equate universal background checks with repealing the 2nd amendment? Universal background checks also means some people are prohibited from buying guns, and as I'm sure you know a good number or republicans think that universal background checks or indeed any sort of gun control are a violation of the 2nd amendment, which is why I brought it up.
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botany posted:Universal background checks also means some people are prohibited from buying guns, and as I'm sure you know a good number or republicans think that universal background checks or indeed any sort of gun control are a violation of the 2nd amendment, which is why I brought it up.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:As am I. Universal background check = people buying guns. I'm not sure why you equate universal background checks with repealing the 2nd amendment? Because any time more stringent background checks come up in a serious way they're always shouted down by gun nuts as being a de facto repealing of the 2nd amendment. Look at Obama's XO for gun control - literally 100% of it is everything the right says we should do in the wake of a mass shooting, yet it was opposed.
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CARL MARK FORCE IV posted:Not these assholes again: tfr posters, gun nuts seize federal building occupation thread New Folks in Town: a "water and land rights expert" is touring the area, Dr. Angus McIntosh.  Please note: there are a couple other Angus McIntoshes online, including a rather cool-seeming professor of freshwater ecology from the U of Canterbury- please don't bug him, he's going to be getting a lot of poo poo about now. This guy is the new guru. He's being escorted by a new militia, the Tri-County 3 Percenters (Harney-Malheur-Grant), who are reportedly unarmed, thank heavens. McIntosh appears to be part of the oldschool, less radical land protection movement. I don't know too much about him, although his escort doesn't speak positively to his character. He works for an org called Land and Water USA which is...weird. I really don't know what to make of them. They appear to be organized around a fear of government annexation of property, rather than seizing public lands.Sovcit guru Bill Thornton is getting involved:  JJ MacNab reports that Thornton is a really oldschool Sovcit guru. His website is freaking incredible- a repository of sovcit beliefs and connections to other fringe movements. It's strongly recommended viewing- the whole thing is internet gold: quote:New to this site? Before you begin you should have a general knowledge of how this strategy works. Media coverage: Great OPB coverage of how things have changed in Harney. A sample: quote:Eleven days after the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge ended, the community of Harney County is taking a collective deep breath. High Country News has an excellent interactive timeline of the Sagebrush Rebellion. Local politicians to mock: Wanna know who to primary in the region? https://twitter.com/Karimala1/status/700566938313842688 Note that the source, Karin Hildebrand, appears to be an amateur photojournalist, so don't 100% rely on this. No dildo shipments yet, please. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Currently literally millions of American citizens are barred from owning guns. Republicans are stupid, news at 11. Well if you're so on board with gun control why are you arguing with a thread that's largely advocating for more gun control?
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Kit Walker posted:Those aren't caused by someone else doing something to me. Oh I think thats not true, if you weren't sold cigarettes by an evil cigarette corporation then you wouldn't die of cigarette use. If you weren't taught to eat like poo poo by corporations providing you with low quality food full of additives and preservatives instead of fresh local ingredients you probably would have less chance of dying of heart disease.
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Booourns posted:Maybe there should be a separate thread for gun chat? There's a separate forum but you can't stop them because they have guns. Paging FBI agent Mark to this thread
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botany posted:I agree that guns should be as well-regulated as cars, including license, registration, insurance etc. I don't need to register, insure, or have a license for a car I operate on my own property, bud.
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Armyman25 posted:I don't need to register, insure, or have a license for a car I operate on my own property, bud. You'd get poo poo on pretty quick if you tried driving that beater into a civilized area though.
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FAUXTON posted:You'd get poo poo on pretty quick if you tried driving that beater into a civilized area though. True enough but I can buy as many as I want without a background check.
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Armyman25 posted:I don't need to register, insure, or have a license for a car I operate on my own property, bud. Depends on where you live. In some states you do have to have current registration and can be ticketed even if your vehicle is on private property.
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Jesus Christ the car analogy isn't a perfect analogy, it's just an example of something being well regulated and safer than it could be without the inevitable "OMG FEMA STORMTROOPERS EATING OUR BABIES!!!" that well regulating guns would, apparently, bring.
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Armyman25 posted:True enough but I can buy as many as I want without a background check. That's nice, however they also weren't designed with the express intent of putting holes in living things.
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original: stupid gun poo poo E: \/ the only thing youve proven is that politico is bad at comics e2: my politico insult stands 
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Please stop talking about guns. Please. https://twitter.com/politico/status/700104340439171072
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Discendo Vox posted:Please stop talking about guns. Please. Can I make fun of TFR manchildren who are so insecure they ooze into any thread with the word gun and law in it? Seriously it's loving pathetic having people who haven't posted in a thread once suddenly appear when the words gun and law happen together in a post. Is odd not seeing LeJackel yet. Is he ok?
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Toasticle posted:Can I make fun of TFR manchildren who are so insecure they ooze into any thread with the word gun and law in it? "What do you mean people interested in a subject talk about it when you bring it up?"
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Toasticle posted:Can I make fun of TFR manchildren who are so insecure they ooze into any thread with the word gun and law in it? This is the worst part about gun nuts for me. You literally cannot have a conversation about the potential for any sort of gun regulation in any way, shape, or form, or they will drive-by slam into the thread/literal IRL conversation with their ARE GUNS!!! bullshit. The only thing that might be just as bad is the fact that half of them (this thread's current troll included) are 100% fine with stuff like 'universal background checks' which is almost certainly where the conversation would've ended anyway if they'd never popped off because they can't separate their ability to destroy things at 1000 yards from their ability to feel an ounce of safety. That attitude alone has turned me from a 'yeah maybe we should look at gun control, that sounds kinda crazy' type into a 'gently caress it, ban all guns, gently caress these idiots' type. Like they get on my nerves so bad that they've annoyed me into straight up wanting to give up the 2nd amendment wholecloth just so they'll shut the everliving gently caress up.
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Graham Hunt is already gone, thankfully: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/rep-graham-hunt-resigns-over-military-service-exaggerations/
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We had like a full page of people making GBS threads on gun owners and talking about gun control before anyone remotely pro gun even posted. This whole "why can't we sit around and talk about how awful guns and gun owners are without some gun owner making GBS threads up the thread by disagreeing with us" is demonstrating a bewildering lack of self awareness. It's you, you guys started the gunchat, it's not the fault of the person who had the nerve to disagree with your gunchat for making GBS threads up the thread, it's you for starting the loving gunchat. loving shut up about guns. Seriously can we stop talking about loving guns.
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chitoryu12 posted:And the Constitution has been repeatedly amended. Its latest edition dates to 1992, making many SA members older than the latest update. A lot of constitution fetishists seem to literally not know what the word "amendment" actually means.
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Entropic posted:A lot of constitution fetishists seem to literally not know what the word "amendment" actually means. Please state your definition of amendment, o constitutional scholar.
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Jarmak posted:We had like a full page of people making GBS threads on gun owners and talking about gun control before anyone remotely pro gun even posted. lol yeah I remember when those guys were seriously considering banning all guns. We sure needed someone to hop in here and tell us that guns are, in fact, good and cool despite all evidence pointing to them being dangerous and unnecessary!
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buttcoinbrony posted:Please state your definition of amendment, o constitutional scholar. It means section, right? The constitution and all of its amendments existed since god himself gave it to the US in 1776 
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BattleMaster posted:It means section, right? The constitution and all of its amendments existed since god himself gave it to the US in 1776 God Himself literally came down upon high in the year of 1776 and freed us from the tyranny of taxes on tea even though we don't drink it and put a [mumble] through the British fleet. Also we saved the French ship that was carrying the Statue of Liberty because ugh limeys.
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Mirthless posted:Gun ownership was a privilege of the wealthy when the founding fathers wrote the constitution. Interchangeable parts and mass production were still a hundred years out. There is no constitutionally protected right to be able to afford arms. Not true! My great-19th grandpa mugged a brit for his gun, and he was poor as heck. Warcabbit fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Feb 24, 2016 |
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