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Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
:itshappening:
They're saying a bunch of vehicles just rolled in. "Wake up! Get your gun!"

e: or that's just an old recording? These guys are gonna be stuck there for days until they kill themselves accidentally or something.

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Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
It hurts my brain how dumb these people are, that they can't grasp things like:
-If the FBI just wanted to kill them they'd be dead days ago
-They have two options: walk out without guns and be apprehended, or point a gun at a law enforcement officer and get shot
-Ok there is a third option: wait around some more becoming increasingly unhinged from lack of sleep and proper food. But that's just delaying choosing one of the first two options
-There is no fourth option of "take a mulligan on this whole thing and go home with no one getting arrested"
-No seriously that is not an option, why do you think that is an option

They seem to think they have some kind of leverage here and it's baffling.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Surely the other three are facing arrest on some sort of charges.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Murderion posted:

We, the We The People of Harney Country subgroup of We The People, contest that the people of Harney Country are not real people but dwarfs, favored as crisis actors due to ease of transport, standing on each other's shoulders inside big coats to pass themselves off as people.

They are in fact Wee People :tinfoil:

Crivens!

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

kartikeya posted:

I have nothing solid to back this up, but my guess would be a combination of Red Scare and that it violates their big Rugged Individual fantasy. Furthermore, socialism as it regards Federal subsidies and the like is relying on an entity they despise and completely distrust, so at best those doing so are rubes and at worst active collaborators (of course, in reality, most of them DO rely on these things, but they've got good reasons for why it's okay for them and not okay for others, of course).

Plus, it's not like they rely on statistics. Liberal propaganda! :freep:



:ssh: They don't actually know what the word 'socialism' means.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

citybeatnik posted:

That's a photoshop.



My bad. People actually are that dumb though. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/prescriptions/2009/08/the_medicareisntgovernment_meme.html It seems weird to even bother photoshopping the signs when the real ones are just as incoherent and dumb. That crowd is beyond parody.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

OAquinas posted:

I'm guessing he was thinking of "fanning" the revolver and tried to make up a word. (fanning is when you fire the revolver quickly by holding the trigger and flipping the hammer back with the palm of your hand, a la old west style)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spalm

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Oh poo poo someone combined the DNA of Guy Fieri and Col Sanders

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Why are they asking the cops to turn their lights off?

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Fiore is actually being sensible and trying to calm them down.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Yeeahh if Fiore was flipped by the FBI she'd be telling them to come out without weapons, not trying to get them to wait until she comes to lead them out. If she's in communication with the FBI she's messing it up badly.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/697622201617387521

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

No Butt Stuff posted:

what is she doing that's illegal? it sounds like she's just talking him down.

She's telling them that she's going to come there and walk out with them rather than telling them to put down their weapons and walk out now.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Dexo posted:

Gotta SWAT them imo

:vince:

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Is there a pool on how close Fiore gets to the refuge before being pulled over?

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
At this point the FBI is just trying to figure out how separate these idiots from their guns without letting them hurt themselves. Like if they lobbed a teargas grenade in right now, probably at least two of them would die with no shots fired by the FBI.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

William Bear posted:

A Free Woman On The Land in Canada once tried to get off on a charge of driving without a license by claiming she had the religious right to drive her "ecclesiastical pursuit chariot".

I love that phrase because it sounds like some :black101: cart used for chasing down priests.


Regarding Cliven: did he seriously take a plane? That he presumably couldn't bring guns on? Even though him and his retinue's guns were the one thing keeping him free?

THE GUMMINT CAN'T TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS
except the TSA, we're not gonna gently caress with the TSA, that'd be crazy.

Clearly they should just let the Final Four get to an airport and then be waiting for them on the other side of security.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Did Cliven has people planning to meet him and his goons to give them guns once they got off the plane? Or did they have guns in their checked baggage or something? I can't imagine he was planning to show up without guns.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Shakenbaker posted:

https://twitter.com/Patztense/status/697753411383640064

Don't know if anyone posted this yet, but it seems like the FBI is also rooting around in Nevada.

*postures with guns constantly, talks about shooting tyrannical government forces if necessary*

"Waah, I got tackled by a cop and I skinned my knee!"

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Can we find out which parking lot it was so someone can erect a memorial monument to the Stolen Burger?

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Michelle Fiore is actually going there?

I wonder if how it went down is she got there and was met with a list of charges for interfering with federal agents and a "we can be lenient on this if you help us by doing exactly what we say" speech.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

theflyingorc posted:

"Maybe they'll make that decision for me"

Sean still thinks the FBI is going to randomly murder him

They have to mentally justify the dumb situation they got themselves into by trying really hard to believe that they've done nothing wrong and the feds are persecuting them purely out of personal malice.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Generation Internet posted:

I could be imagining things but it sounds like Fiore is getting more and more nervous the closer she has to get to these whackjobs.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

A Winner is Jew posted:

More than likely FTFY

As the great philospher George Carlin once said, FW: FW: FW: FW: FW:...

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

No Butt Stuff posted:

120 is a weirdly specific number. Did she have time to count them?

I don't understand.

She probably said "like 120 or something" at random once while telling the story, people repeated it, repetition reinforces it and she 'remembers' it being 120 now...

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Pope Guilty posted:

Wait is Franklin Graham an even bigger shitbag than his dad or are they delusional that he wants Lavoy's bible?

also what kind of stat bonuses does Lavoy's bible grant
-2 AGI
-5 LCK
-2 PER
+3 CHR

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
I hope the feds are filming this from like 10 different angles.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Hiding a gun behind a flag would be a perfect metaphor for their whole 'movement'.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Wait, is Fiore actually with the FBI yet?

If she's talking with them I would think they'd be telling her to tell them over and over "the only way any of you are getting shot is if you come out with guns".

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Serious question why is David still on the line with the chucklefuck brigade instead of having been patched through to someone who's actually being coached by an FBI negotiator trained in talking down suicidal people?

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
I will personally deliver you the pizza of your choice

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Oh poo poo he just told them he's pointing a gun at his head

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Lots of people are confusing Michelle Fiore and Krisanne Hall.

Fiore is the Nevada state representative who was on the phone with the Final Four last night, and was promising to come meet them so they could all walk out with her and give her a good photo op being the hero. She apparently actually got to the barricades today but we didn't hear much of anything from her after that.

Krisanne Hall is some crazy christian lady who was on the line with them today and who was really bad at doing anything but inadvertently fanning the flames and almost getting them killed.

As crazy a gun-nut loony as Fiore is, she actually was pretty good at talking them down from the ledge of doing something really dumb. Hall, not so much.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Discendo Vox posted:


*After at least an hour of religious bullshit being shoved down Fry's throat by Fiore and Gavin using this to pad their own pockets/popularity, FBI agent Mark defuses the situation peacefully in a matter of minutes

That was Hall, not Fiore.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

MisterBibs posted:

Is it normal, negotiation-wise, for the person(s) to initially demand all sorts of Big Things in exchange for leaving, only to really just want small things? Or is it more of a case that the dude was just really hungry and tired?

It's probably fairly common for people in those situations to want to just feel like they're getting something, anything, that they're asking for so that they can feel like they're saving face and not just giving in when they come out.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

pathetic little tramp posted:

I missed this, how'd they get tricked?

It wasn't actually a trap they were just dumb. A bunch of the leadership left the refuge together in one vehicle after telling everyone publicly where they were going and when, and they got stopped.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

DeathSandwich posted:

Granted I Am Not a Psychologist, but I think when you get in that mind set you start making big demands that some part of you knows is unreasonable (in his case, to never pay taxes and for the government to stop mutating people) but most of all they any personal victory at all, no matter how minor. Hence why he was able to walk away alive with a cookie, a promise of a pizza, and a hallelujah from the feds.

During the stream itself, this thread exploded when he mentioned he was a messianic jew and everyone in the stream got real quiet. I don't really know anything about Messianic Judaism so I don't understand the whole subtext of the statement aside from the very face value. Are messianic Jews big on the martyrdom thing?

It was more just that the people talking to him had been going on endlessly about Jesus and we're really grasping that he wasn't into it until he finally snapped at them for it.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
All of this is why you shouldn't be trusted with guns, America.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

Kazak_Hstan posted:

While I don't see any meaningful gun legislation on the horizon, the ubiquity of the AR-15 / AK-47 pattern rifles in Malheur and Bunkerville will hopefully be a factor in upcoming second amendment litigation. The next substantial question to be litigated is exactly what Heller meant when it said that handguns were not ba able because of how common they were. The NRA crowd has taken this as an indication they need to make AR-15s as common as possible to protect them under the same reasoning. The fourth circuit recently bought that argument and struck down an assault weapon ban. I hope these pictures are fresh in the minds of the next judge to take this question up.

lol preschoolers getting gunned down didn't result in any action on gun laws and you think this will?

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Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
Mugshots of the final 4:

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