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Slanderer
May 6, 2007
hello fellow liberals ^__^

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Slanderer
May 6, 2007
https://twitter.com/CIAGoFundMe/status/954388350051454976

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
MATT BRUENIG INNOCENT!!!

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Dude, you're literally insisting that there's no limit to demand, which is impossible.

*extremely correct voice* wrong

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Yandat posted:

i go through a pair of shoes every year. so just have factories make 7.5 billion shoes annually, maybe a few thousand extra in case of lost shoes or accidents

why is this loving hard

lmao if you dont get a new pair every week like me

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Yeah, that's why the successful ones were all communist. :smugdog:

"successful"

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

GalacticAcid posted:

if only everyone could seize and hold power for all of ten minutes, like Allende

his downfall was due to his overreliance on "project CyberSin", which sought out great power by opening wide the gates of Hell.

the exploitation of infernal resources is, of course, western imperialism. he was no true communist

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

rudatron posted:

the fact that you had to basically dismiss Australia out of hand, because it's the prime counter-example to everything you've said, is the biggest tell that you're clueless.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

rudatron posted:

also, did no one find the metcalfe's law thing interesting :saddowns:

almost but im not sure you're generalization of platform == network checks out. metcalfe's law applies to networks that can be represented as a complete graph. this can apply to some social networks, but not all (notably, the failed decentralized social networks created by libertarian dorks with no conception of human interaction, like Diaspora and Mastodon, where metcalfe's law cant apply).

but im trying to apply this to tech and kinda failing.arguments can be made about the successes and failures of different models (such as closed ios ecosystem vs open android ecosystem), but i can't see how metcalfe's law fits in

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

cool but coops arent capitalist

communal hunter-gather societies gave birth to the first Captains of Industry, powerful capitalists from a forgotten age

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Jon Joe posted:

In conclusion:

Co-ops are better than traditional businesses
Co-ops operate according to democratic ideals, within a capitalist system
Co-ops aren't socialist
Start a drat co-op if you want to, help someone else start a co-op if they want to, and feel good doing it because its still a material improvement over present day

wrong. co-ops are the final form of socialism (communism is a degenerate intermediate form)

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

There's something about Turing Police being both a tankie and a good poster that drives people insane.

The only insane thing is thinking that he doesn't suck rear end in a big way

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
through intense deliberation, i've determined the proper Leftist stance on Syria is to loving Ignore It. there's so much misinformation out there, and everyone writing about it willfully omits facts that are inconvenient for their position, so it's pretty much impossible to come up with a defensible argument. even lukewarm support for Kurdish independence means that you are a CIA shill pushing for the creation of an ethnostate

and because this is an issue with dumb idiots: the positions aren't "imperialism good vs. imperialism bad" lol, because loving everyone loving with Syria is doing imperialism (even the humble and peaceful turks have culturally appropriated Imperialism from the blood-soaked first world!!!!). hell, half the issue with taking any position is that you can't say "__ is bad, but military intervention is hosed" without being accused of lending intellectual support to american/russian/posadist imperialism


syria: dont talk about it, ok???

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

StashAugustine posted:

really we appropriated it from them

according to who? western history books? :smuggo:

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Yandat posted:

this is dumb. there is good reporting on syria its just uncomfortable that the conclusion is that the revolution got hijacked early on by reactionary islamists and at this point cutting a deal with assad, who isn’t going anywhere, is what the remaining factions and minorities are doing. assad is a lot of things but hes not trying to do ethnic cleansing. also it really did turn out that the white helmets were basically al qaeda adjacent, the rebels were getting backing from saudi and israel, and this all became clear a few years ago

literally every part of this is still insanely contentious and will get a one or more groups of leftists extremely upset

fake edit: except for the saudi part, that's not even a secret

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Impermanent posted:

It's only contentious because some people just read anything the CIA drops on their desk.

actually i havent read my copy of jacobin yet


Yandat posted:

yeah there are a lot of very serious issues with anti-imperialism on the left and it’s all pretty vicious. obviously i think im right though. the real ghouls all seem to be on the pro-moderate rebels side of things which just happens to be on the side of the absolute worst nations on earth including us

everyone thinks they're right, which is why you have people tripping over each other to present conclusive proof of chemical weapons attacks and also conclusive proof that this is more NATO propaganda. supporting the rebranded al qaeda rebels is support american imperialism, and supporting assad is supporting russian imperialism.

supporting no one is the right choice. sometimes the bravest thing you can do is be a coward....

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
slowly driving myself further into the depths of madness trying to figure out which people of Syria i should support and love and protect from the other peoples of Syria

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

If a sovereign wealth fund is a socialist institution then one wonders why he doesn't bring up Saudi Arabia or the UAE.

drat it's almost like the proceeds in those nations arent distributed via socialized programs but instead are chiefly funneled towards a small class of god-kings

Slanderer fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Aug 24, 2018

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

gradenko_2000 posted:


I really don't get why Bruenig wants to keep using """Scandinavia""" as a model of "socialism". It feels almost liberal in the way that they're running scared of bringing up actual socialist states out of fear that they'll be called Stalinists or whatever.

But that's going to happen regardless. The BBC put the Kremlin in the background of a photo of Corbyn and photoshopped his hat to look more like an ushanka.

really hosed up that he doesn't use China as a model of successful socialism in our age, i agree

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

ShriekingMarxist posted:

They might have the infrastructure and distribution, but they don't have the material and production to become "socialist". Socialism isn't about keeping the current model of production/trade and just slicing all the profits off the top and ensuring they're distributed to everyone in that country equally, it requires a fundamental change in the system of production and people's relationship to it, and a massive push for domestic industries to replace exploitative imports and imperialist trade policies. There's no such thing as socialism in one country, or socialism wherein a strong welfare state uses the current instruments of capitalism to benefit all of its citizens, they're just more progressive liberal democracies.

The sooner we stop fetishizing nordic model poo poo and get real about imperialism and real revolutionary changes, the sooner we can stop loving around with the cycle of progressive reforms -> era of stability/growth -> reactionary regress -> crash bullshit, reformism is a dead end, electoralism is a dead end. The NHS is under siege in England, and casual fascism is en vogue all over the western world. You can't stop the encroachment of profit driven destruction of public good.

Also planet's dyin' Cloud, we don't have 5 generations of incrementalist gains to push the capitalists back.

what do your see as your role in the revolution, my friend

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

GalacticAcid posted:

Mine will be passing out bernie sanders stickers and going door to door for Cynthia Nixon

this is the perfect tactic for identifying potential kulaks in our midst. i applaud your ingenuity

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Kurnugia posted:

direct democracy is bad and dumb

fixed

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

ShriekingMarxist posted:

But really that article is a whole bunch of dogshit, and it's super lovely to have children you can't afford and don't have the emotional maturity/reserves to nurture properly, especially when the social safety net and material security has never been more threadbare.

lmao, glad you're here to be mad about an article you didnt read.

quote:

How can we ever win a program that socializes the costs of bringing children into the world if so many liberals still see the desire to have kids as something like a timeshare in Vegas — a costly, foolish, and tacky investment mostly for the rubes? Instead of parroting this gross and misanthropic politics, we should demand that capital stop shirking off the costs of childhood onto workers and instead socialize them — free Finnish baby boxes and a Medicare for All program that covers not only all prenatal and pediatric care, but that makes IVF a right and not a luxury. A program that hires and trains hundreds of thousands to work in high-quality state day cares. The only way we’re going to get any of this is through a revived labor movement — not creepy (and inevitably racist) “population control” thinkpieces.

Why shouldn’t a twenty-something be able to have a kid and still have the freedom to embark on a career? Why shouldn’t a young single mother be able to go to college while leaving her child safely in the care of the state? And why should she need to find or “keep” a relationship with a man just to be able to provide for her kids?

the point was that capitalism disincentivizes having kids, but liberals are defending that as Good and Actually Very Logical instead of fighting to remove the burdens of raising kids through strong social programs

Slanderer fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Sep 6, 2018

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

ShriekingMarxist posted:

My issue with the article is that it's part of a larger shift of contrarian pushback by cryptofash "anti-woke" folks

lol

ShriekingMarxist posted:

the dumb bird website.

i only hear the Mastodon weirdos saying this. so are you one of the guys banned for DMing your rear end in a top hat to girls as an act of radical body positivity, or are you a furry?

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
i believe you actually said "that website is for the birds, man" while smoking a lucky strike on top of the water tower

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Karl Barks posted:

Okay I read it, I don't get why people are upset. I'm just going to go ahead and safely assume it's because everyone hates kilpatrick

this is true

ShriekingMarxist posted:

I explicated my reasons for taking issue with this particular article, Jacobin is overall okay most of the time when they're not hefting up their giant blind spot to american imperialism.

this is not true

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
the best public leftist discourse involves only presenting the correct opinions in public (these positions are to be determined in private using the immortal science of marxism-leninism)

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

reading the article this actually seems insanely lovely. censorship with chinese characteristics?

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
matt bruenig is one of the most powerful trolls in the business. few recognize this.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

GalacticAcid posted:

*in the nick mullen Rain Man voice*

<dsa member detected>

hello, liberal....

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
nixon is a softer maoist than you or i will ever be. truly aspirational.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
wrong

https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1043708525036417024

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:



Oh cool, just keep winning elections in a bourgeois democracy and never lose to a right wing party. So simple.

yes this is how democracy works. the two choices are democracy or monarchy. pick one.

EDITORS NOTE: xi jinping is not king of china, which is a democracy

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Graphic posted:

also the most all-powerful class in the history of the world, with trillions at risk and also at their disposal, who are willing to let billions die and live in misery for the sake of their profits, definitely has no survivial instinct or means of reprisal and repression. they will totally step down and go to work at an iron mine when "The Socialism Act" is passed in congress.

luckily we have found their one weakness: staying inside and Posting

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Graphic posted:

the only oomph that the capitalist class would respect is the credible threat of violent revolution if they don't give in to the popular will; the threat of cutting their heads off if they resist expropriation. otherwise you're just shaming/begging them into following the rules like a democrat. these people barely adhere to the laws we have now and that's with the entire system tailor made to suit their interests.

reporting this vile post to the FBI. you're finished sucker

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

yeah thats what i said

you said it didnt involve magic, which is laughably wrong. read up on chaos magick and you'll see the truth about the IMF

Slanderer
May 6, 2007
*me, wrecking Medicare for All event*
don’t you understand THEY are doing harm, not me!!

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

incremental gains are incompatible with my orthodox theory of workers revolution that never actually worked out in practice

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

ShriekingMarxist posted:

lmao if you can look at today's world and say the incremental gains of the last 100 years have worked out, most have been wiped out and the rest are on the chopping block

be straight with me: are you an accelerationist? because if so, haha you're dumb as poo poo lol

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Slanderer
May 6, 2007
*me talking down to working class folks* i know things have been rough for everyone, but hear me out: what if we could make your lives way worse in the short term

wait why are you leaving

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