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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Pablo Nergigante posted:

I'm getting the following:

Capital Vol. 1 + David Harvey's companion (read some other Marx stuff but never Capital)
Liberalism a Counter History - Losurdo
Age of Revolution - Hobsbawm

I wanna get a collection of Lenin but I can't figure out which publisher/edition is good. Anything else I should get

you should go for progress publishers if you want any text from a soviet figure. that was the ussr's official foreign language press. or international publishers, the press of the cpusa. similarly if you ever want stuff from china foreign languages press is the way to go.

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

THS posted:

current affairs is getting some weird money from somewhere. not necessarily nefarious, there are a few low profile class traitors that are extremely rare but exist - i knew a marxist who got completely disillusioned in the 70s, used marxist economic theory to made fuckloads of money in stocks, then came back to leftism. hell, daddy engels was a rich baby too

there arent ads, i doubt hardly anyone is actually buying the print magazine in any numbers. i honestly wonder where they get bucks

i think nathan just has rich parents

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

the soviet union IS epic, not was. it lives on in our hearts

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Finicums Wake posted:

the black socialists of america are putting together a 'dual power map' to plot "every single Worker Cooperative, Small Business Development Center, Community Land Trust, and Dual Power Project within the United States that you can support right now."

since it'll have a user submission feature, it seems like it could actually end up being useful.

i spent an afternoon once trying to track down co-ops/CLT/etc in my area. what little information i could find was scattered across a bunch of different websites, many that looked like they hadn't been updated in a while. it'd be genuinely useful to have all that info centralized somewhere, imo.

https://blacksocialists.us/dual-power-map

this is the first potentially constructive thing they've done so i look forward to it getting fouled up in spectacular fashion

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Impermanent posted:

we have to take the anarchists very seriously because, although they all sound like completely unhinged kooks online, when they take to the street they use very sound, strategic actions like


oh.

that guys cool actually.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


being positive about china doesn't mean china is the "best" example of socialism, whatever the gently caress that means. closest to that would be cuba if you HAVE to rank them, which is a stupid activity in the first place.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Its Coke posted:

I'm a wrecker :dukedog:

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Stalin's Blue Pencil

quote:

Editing a biologist's speech for an international conference in 1948, Stalin used an array of colored pencils—red, green, blue—to strip the talk of references to "Soviet" science and "bourgeois" philosophy. He also crossed out an entire page on how science is "class-oriented by its very nature" and wrote in the margin "Ha-ha-ha!!! And what about mathematics? And what about Darwinism?"

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Prav posted:

i opened that article, scrolled down a little, and the first thing i read was


gonna go take a break now

you have to wade through a heap of anti-communist detritus to get to the couple decent nuggets of info in there, it's true

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


really stacking the deck with the marx table. engels and lenin close second

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i mean there is a clear qualitative difference between one guy who eventually got executed and what appears to be a massive group of people who will never see the inside of a jail cell

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


lmao

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Hilario Baldness posted:

Just finished reading Walter Rodney's posthumously published 'The Russian Revolution: A View from the Third World.' When Verso had a 90% off sale on ebooks I got that and 'How Europe Underdeveloped Africa' since the latter appeared on the reading list from McCaine. It should definitely be added to the master list, it's extremely good.

they're both very good and verso needs to be publishing more like them instead of crypto-trot bullshit

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

The most bizarre part is how the guy is trying to defend places like North Korea and Venezuela for not 'fulfilling a utopian wetdream of what socialism is supposed to look like' or something.

And I'm just thinking "Dude, Norway and Sweden are far closer to socialism than Venezuela and North korea; in fact Venezuela and North Korea actively harm the cause by saying they are socialist but then enabling all the worst fears of its critics through their many despicable actions while tankies eagerly embrace them and trumpet their 'socialism' to the world."

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Poniard posted:

its a miracle that people arent just quoting cspam posters they dont like in that thread

don't give them ideas

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


recommending himself multiple times lol. classic academic

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Serf posted:

pyf tankie thread superstars showing up to cape for capitalism

stunnedpikachu.jpg

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Why bother writing a book unless you think you're describing something no one else has or in a better way tbh

im sure they're fine it's just always funny to see that on a syllabus

btw those pyf freaks are mad because they're losing their hegemony over discourse. they can't stand seeing "tankie" opinions even getting a minor hearing on social media, despite the fact all major media in the west remains firmly on their side.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

If you do a deep dive into exactly how the opposition in Venezuela lost all power, you pretty much lose all sympathy for Maduros government.

I was a regular in the D&D Venezuela thread over the years that it happened,

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


well the people who push these statements are being selective. aside from the cpp there are other communists who think differently. obviously in china there's the cpc but the cpi and cpi-m both defend china as socialist. maoists focus on these parties and pretend no other communist voices exist

also that cpi (maoist) document has a lot of straight up false allegations in it. kind of funny that maoists rely on it as some kind of killshot

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

namesake posted:

What's some good modern theory about imperialism? I don't mind if it's very situational as long as it expresses the theory behind itself rather than just yelling at a particular country being imperialist.

China and the Third World are not "catching up" to the rich countries

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


oh look the same two people who post about me in every qcs thread. this time one of them was good enough to post an edited quote from a three-year-old thread with all context removed.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

https://twitter.com/lil_yenta/status/1174408514439196673?s=19

https://twitter.com/lil_yenta/status/1174414857023688710?s=19

groaning so loud i can be heard from space

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991


right before they get shot to death. apt

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

big business man posted:

rank and file strategy

suck and gently caress strategy

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

pyf thread continues to deliver

Aramek posted:

All these people are doing is making colonization sound awesome. If anything it's like you being on top of the leaderboards because you won.

also someone posted this insane screed which is the political version of the notebook from seven

Nutso poo poo posted:

The PSL was recently involved in sponsoring an initiative called the People’s Congress of Resistance [archive], and the Workers World Party and one of its front groups have been involved in a No Platform for Fascism [archive] initiative together with local Anarchists and socialists from New York City, ostensibly to oppose the rise of fascism in the United States. However of what value is such an initiative to the anti-fascist struggle when the leaders of the PSL and the WWP have been working with open fascists for years and the online activity of their rank and file membership suggests these parties are acting as incubators for fascism and future Strasserists, LaRouchites and National Bolsheviks? What contribution can the participation of the genocide denying, crypto-fascist and confusionnist WWP and the PSL and their satellites in the anti-fascist struggle be when they work with “former” CIA members, collaborate with groups creating international fascist networks and their prominent members sit together with Infowars contributors, Third Positionists, National Bolsheviks, LaRouchites and associates of Holocaust deniers on the steering committees of solidarity movements which support primarily fascist causes?

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Captain Billy Pissboy posted:

Both. Most of them are fine but some are like this


that's a parody submission, but it's hard to tell the difference sometimes

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i know for a fact it's a troll so looks like it worked well lol

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Poniard posted:

my copy of the marx engels reader is falling apart rip

all the more reason to get the marx-engels collected works

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

ToxicSlurpee posted:

For a lot of people their motivation is not love of the poor but hatred of the wealthy. Sometimes it's just raw envy; it's totally possible to do pretty well for yourself doing productive things but you get people that are furious at anybody that makes more than a certain number of dollars a year. I've seen that number as low as $30,000.

Yes, I'm totally sure that cabinet maker pulling $60,000 is a bougie gently caress keeping the proles down. Totally.

punk rebel ecks posted:

The thing the bewilders me is how tankies continue to believe in an economic and political system that has continuously failed.

Large scale nationalizations with strong executive orders and control is a recipe for disaster. Yet they still defend shitbag governments like in Venezuela.

Pharohman777 posted:

From my experience in the D&D Venezuela thread, right below that is the tendency to say that any negative reporting on a subject that a tankie doesn't like is means that the news outlet is 'reporting US state department propaganda'.

Pharohman777 posted:

It feels like they assume that the US government has absolute ironclad control over news media and businesses like china does.

punk rebel ecks posted:

There is a spectrum of how effective something is. Liberal "democratic" capitalism is hardly the ideal system or the end game, but it is superior to Marxist Lenninism which struggles to provide a similar quality of life in both income and social justice, as well as having a terrible track record for freedom.

The only thing it does better is with income inequality, but even that is abused substantially.

Just because both things are bad doesn't make one thing not better than the other, nor does it mean that there isn't an alternative to both.

Tankies should accept that the "vanguard party" outlook is bullshit and should look into cooperatives, nationalizations but crafting them around new government branches elected by the residents, participatory budgeting, etc. Rather than retrying the same failed system.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

it's me, the anarchist and/or leftcom that's bewildered there are right-wingers in the making fun of tankies thread

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

i was in line at the dmv the other day. boy it took a while, huh? hey anytime you're ready to start withering away, state, be my guest!

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R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

uncop posted:

You mean the people implementing red capitalism, but yes.

:rolleyes:

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