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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I voted for la Riva in California. I am the .3%

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Minty posted:

I was one of eight people in my county :madmax:

138 in el dorado county... I was probably the only person in my area lol

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Lmfao

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

KiteAuraan posted:

So if we go to war with Iran and the draft comes back who else is joining the Zapatistas?

Personally I'm gonna get baptized in the blood of the lord and return California to the True Faith

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
We must revive the labor movement in California, and seize the agriculture from the bourgeoise.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:

I wrote in Gloria la Riva. Bye

She was on my ballot

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-09/4-shot-during-seattle-anti-trump-protest

I wanted to go to the Sacramento one but I was tired from work. Unfortunately unlike most California socialists i am not a trust fund baby who has never worked or had to work.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Power without support of force of arms isn't power at all.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The only identity politics I need is strong identity with the State.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Speaking of that, does anyone have a recommendation for a few good books on the Russian communist revolution? How did that happen?

The failure of the Russian communists that led to the Soviet system was letting filthy college middle class people lead the charge

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I unironically think that unless there is massive upheaval in the DNC, PSL and the other socialist parties could win house seats in 2018 if they play up how the DNC and GOP have abandoned them. Especially if they do poo poo like free food drives or soup kitchens or what have you to actually help people instead of merely vacuuming up campaign donations to dump into TV ads like neoliberals always do

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The DSA is also blinded by identity politics. Good example of the neoliberal plot in action

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Personally I'm one of those guys who believe the president is almost powerless outside of foreign policy, and that domestic policy is far more important at the moment than foreign policy, therefor focusing on local elections and programs and maaaaybe house seats is ideal compared to mass movements basically focused on getting the Democrats to pay attention to us



I'm a maniac though

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
That's because it is. Capitalism is merely the logical extension of the mercantilist system and before that be guild system. Both of those are totally loving retarded too.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

Tbh that made me angrier than nearly anything else she's done in this campaign. The one actual reason - other than ambition - for her running in this race was to shatter the glass ceiling on behalf of America's women and girls. And then she doesn't show up to give a concession speech, to offer them any comfort after such a stunning defeat. Instead, she sends out Pedestal, and then the next day she holds a concession speech -- not in front of staff or supporters but in front of donors. What enormous cowardice.

Were you expecting a corrupt Wall Street mouthpiece to show human compassion or something

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I almost hope these SF and LA liberals get what they want and have California secede from the union. Because you bet your rear end I'll be in my anti-liberal militia baby.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
drat you progressives for not supporting the establishment unconditionally


The big problem with liberals, other than being so willing to accept corporatists and technocrats, is how they really think everyone on be left is required to agree and vote with the Democrats just because they're the only major party that supposedly caters to them

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I unironically listened to the communist manifesto on the way home for the first time and :eyepop:


It's disturbing how easily and how well it explains the current situation lol.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I guess the Internet Twitter Marxist crowd sold it to me as a tortured book of historical but no political interest because that sort of person is just as out of touch as this elections woke Twitter tech worker type of democrat.


But jeez it's hard to watch automation and the drive for new markets crushing the American working class and not think Karl Marx was dead right

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Because the Democratic Party is the party of the bourgeoise

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I'm gonna go to the release party for the Marxist feminism magazine on the 18th in Sac but lol if it doesn't sound like some identity politics festered trash. I hope I'm wrong and it's actually cool.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I don't know anything about it other than its a 'Marxist feminist magazine'



I've never been exposed to Marxist theory or ideology or anything except for the shrill anime avatar LF poster style of things so I'm pretty open to whatever.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Like Marx said, the only people who think the family will be destroyed are the people who see the family as merely a financial relationship

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I don't think you can even sell revolutionary Marxism without people immediately thinking that means your an admitted rebel or terrorist

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I unironically think nobody will ever take Marxists seriously as long as they mentally overlap with the retarded anti gun at all costs crowd

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
So, joining the NRA to give out literature is probably not a bad idea

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

deadgoon posted:

what sort of person doesn't already associate american marxism with the black panthers?

Older conservatives

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
As retarded as war tourism is, it's hard to hate someone who puts their money where their mouth is.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Aeolius posted:

it can't be said enough. here's Kwame Ture (a.k.a. Stokely Carmichael) in a 1988 interview discussing it in the context of the 60's, though he might as well be talking about the lessons of Occupy in this very decade:



:stare:

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
If the deportation/internment camp thing pans out I pray you know it's your civic duty as an American who theoretically respects the Bill of Rights to either register as a Muslim or form a chain gang to protect a mosque or whatever.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Buy a gun and then volunteer at a soup kitchen while wearing a red star pin on your collar. :smugmrgw:

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I just had a probably stupid thought on the way home today. There's a movement in Northern California that wants to secede from California and form a new state. This area votes almost totally republican so there's a non zero chance Congress would vote for it, assuming that's even something Congress has the power or inclination to do.

This area has almost no industry now that the logging industry is slowly pulling out. Agriculture is almost dead outside of vineyards due to the land being too mountainous to run as large industrial farms. Nearly everyone is on either federal, state, or county welfare programs.

The one asset the area has is that, if it was its own state, they could charge taxes to the far richer parts of California that depend on the water collected by the mountains.

So basically if there was ever going to be a state government that would accept socialism as an organizing principle, it'd be here. Totally a pipe dream IMO but cool to think about I guess? Mostly I just want to make rich people suffer for their semi-arid almond farms

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Ironically a huge part of the criticism of Democrats in California is that they're seen as mouthpieces of the big companies that operate out of here. It's gotten so bad lately that people joke that the only difference between California Democrats and Republicans is the letter next to their name, while California Republicans are trusted to put people first



Not that it's true since both parties love to bow down to the developers that slowly squeeze out small scale industry and replace it with rows and rows of houses

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The democrats no longer have any ground game anyway

So what useful thing do you have left besides an elitist set of bylaws designed to suppress the parties voters in favor of the establishment.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

lol what is this

The United States is a democratic republic. The fact one of the authors of the Federalist Papers decided to shorten "representative republic" to "republic" and "Athenian-style direct democracy" to "democracy" and argue for the former over the latter does not come close to negating this. What it demonstrates is your extremely shallow understanding of political organization. (Athens was itself a republic, by definition of the term.)

Nor does the fact that America was founded as an explicitly oligarchic republic. I live in a part of the country where citizens take part in direct democracy on a regular basis, and indeed, for better or for worse, where the electorate effectively serves as the actual legislature. But no, I agree, American democracy is a lie, and furthermore: nothing is true, everything is permitted.

If you're talking about California personally all my experience with directer democracy has done is convince me that the tyranny of the majority is real

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
This election has given people AIDS

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Hey guys, it's me, the guy with a hot take. What if the USSR and the USA were both bad, but for different reasons.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ruzihm posted:

I was thinking about revolutionary changes that could be made at the state level that a mini dictatorship of the proletariat might be able to do, and what their effects would be (good or bad).

What if a state established a $0 rent ceiling?

Challenges I thought of:
Gotta prevent landlords from replacing their apartment complexes with mcdonalds or office space. Strict Zoning might help?
Hotels would also be affected, but they could still charge for the amenities they offer, plus they'd be able to profit off tenants leaving rooms in a mess & forfeiting a deposit. As well as charging for utilities in the way that non-hotel landlords already do. By the end of it all, they might operate in a similar way to today.
If hotels would still be a thing, landlords could bend the rules by being more hotel-like, but that might be a good thing. Employing cleaners & such would be job creation, and we all know landlords often neglect their properties until they decline pretty badly.

And there are probably a hundred others. I am bad at this.

So, terrible idea or just bad idea?

Edit: I just learned the difference between an apartment and a condo. Neat. :buddy:

It absolutely could work. Especially since if a state did something like actually charging filthy South California for its water and using it on the people instead of stuffing it into campaign funds and Capitol building renovations like what usually happens

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Are you saying you should treat people well? That's not gonna fly with my violent Marxist militia fantasies

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

https://youtu.be/_tWC5qtfby4

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