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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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deadgoon posted:

christianity is cool! the messiah is not going to save the world, is in fact dead, and your faith should now lie with the community of believers who are enacting the kingdom of heaven on earth. "the kingdom of heaven" is another way of saying "the dictatorship of the proletariat".


The Kingfish posted:

No, it's good.

Look at these plebs who have never seen an obscure fundamentalist propaganda film! :smug:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taYThk1FX2k

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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

KOTOR 2 should have had an ending where you kill the Force

Revan did nothing wrong

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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DrProsek posted:

Republicans say block 100℅ of abortions. Leftists say block 0℅ of abortions. The dialectical answer is clearly to order doctors to arbitrarily deny every other woman who comes in for an abortion.

*Alienates his base*

*Loses election to orange Benito*

At least I got poo poo done.

I don't get it, what does this have to do with Mandalore

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:

What are some good books to feature Space Communism?

It's pretty funny to think about how many great works of sci-fi feature the most awesome imaginable power, the ability to go faster than light and therefore reverse causality itself, while sticking to existing understandings of property relations.

The Dispossessed by Ursula Le Guin.

Noble Space Communists fighting against Space!USSR and SPACE!USA

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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rudatron posted:

two religious cults with literal magic powers compete for political dominance, the rest of the galaxy has to foot the bill for the death and destruction that ensues

we're supposed to be sympathetic to the stoic-oriented side, but we're not really given any reason to care particularly about them, as observers

This is literally what Kreia believes.

Not that that's a problem because

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Kreia was right

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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God drat

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Prav posted:

the means of mastication

next: socialized hands

Together we cum, comrade

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Larry Parrish posted:

Here's my hot take: it's weird to be biased against people based on melanin content, or, well, anything, actually

Unfortunately, it's really not weird at all. Most humans have deeply ingrained biases based on tribal remnants.

One of the things i like about socialism is it's ability to bring people under a more inclusive caste. Almost everyone has to work for a living!

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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What's the loving point of ancapsism? Either the fascist comes to power and you get gassed, or the revolution happens and you get gulaged!

Or, perhaps worst of all, liberals stay in power and mom burns your hotpockets again!

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Larry Parrish posted:

Actually it is weird to hate other people

Yeah, and racism is dead! :rolleyes:

Prejudive, in any form, is still the norm in most of the world. Just because it has become taboo to be openly bigoted doesn't mean it's gone. The developed west is just a bit better at smoldering the coals.

Sure, it's not good, but atleast presently, it's a fact of life and the norm for most people.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Larry Parrish posted:

Just because some people are prejudiced, doesn't mean it's good. It's bad actually

Yeah I totally said that...

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Saying people, even nice people, can't have small hang ups wrt race/religion/gender is pretty silly.

It's an unfortunate facet of humanity.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Larry Parrish posted:

I'm not white

:same: :hfive:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Larry Parrish posted:

This phone app sucks!!!

Android apps are bourgeois

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Larry Parrish posted:

I guess what I'm saying is it's starting to bother me how apparently the only Marxists I've ever met online or in real life who don't immediately treat everyone else as The Enemy (unless they're a minimum wage worker or a union member) is old commune hippies. And those guys are weirdos

I wanted to get back to this statement because I think it's worth addressing, and I wanted to organize my thoughts because you deserve a decent response. I don't think we disagree on this all that much. Rather, I feel like we have been talking past each other. I agree with you that people who care about radical politics tend to be on attack.

I think this is based on selection biased. People who reject the status quo whether they are socialists, fascists, fundamentalists tend to care more about politics than the average liberal or conservative. Which leads said radicals to lash out at perceived enemies more often and more emotionally. After all, capitalism is the dominating economic system of modern society, so people happy (or secure) with it won't be thinking about changing it. The recent rise of radical politics (Or even politics that are more moderate rejections of the current establishment such as social democracy and libertarianism) is damning evidence that society is apparently failing an ever growing group of people. (Though their perceptions of the problem may be warped.

My primary argument was that humans as a species are naturally predisposed to in-group out-group thinking.Which, while not a good thing, is embedded in our psyche. You seem to have experienced this phenomena with Marxists in real life. Marxist's are people after all. I'm arguing that the left shouldn't be blind to this tribalism tenancy, because the right certainly isn't. (Ex: Movement conservative, the symbolism of the fasces.) The far-right is picking up steam and building a mass-movement that liberals just can't cope with. As recent political developments have shown, at least to me. It's up to the left to bind people to a more noble goal in order to create a better world.

I'm not arguing that I'm above this btw. I have my share of prejudices, (A faith healer essentially killed my Aunt, and now I want the whole practice to be criminalized) but I try to contextualize them and understand my biases in as much objectivity as I can. Rather I'm arguing that it's weird to have no prejudice. For every Fred Rogers there are a hundred Fred Phelps. I hope that will change one day, but we shouldn't be blind to today's prejudice.

In a world where the status quo is cracking apart, people are now looking for a new tribe to bond to. Now obviously, you and me agree that hating people isn't good, which is why I would rather we be bound in a left-wing tribe rather than a right-wing one. Not everyone can be a white male christian, but almost everyone can work for a living, and the fraction who can't are still fundamentally human, and deserving of life, security, and fulfillment. At least in my view, that's what being a lefty is about.

Now, I am not well read on the academics of Marx, nor any other leftist thinker. So this explanation is based on my observations and perceptions of modern politics. If this was covered before by some philosopher than you can feel free to point this out to me.

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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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rudatron posted:

i love my gay, ruined brain thank you very much, so im gonna keep my phone

We're shipping you off to the gulag, where you will be force fed diet coke until you die of aspartame poison.

That's what you get for being a phone phreak.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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rudatron posted:

im not sure criminalizing faith healing is, like, a prejudice? you're taking issue with the actual practice of faith healing

I don't know, I despise faith healers though. I will pre-judge every faith healer I meet without exceptions. I like to think my prejudice is based on something objectively bad, but most likely so did Hitler. This is why I mentioned the importance contextualizing my prejudices. Were I to have absolute power. I would ban and forbid the practice of faith healing, but I wouldn't send faith healers into death camps.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Baloogan posted:

care as much as u want! just dont make me read 1000 words when you could make ur point in a tweet
k

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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rudatron posted:

so sort of what i want to challenge is your assumption of the 'naturalism' of tribalism - in what sense do you mean it is 'natural'? because that's a funny little word that can be used in different ways. do you mean 'natural' as in 'biological' (or, more technically, essentialist) or 'natural' as in easy? because i'd disagree with the former but agree with the later. obviously there still a lot of prejudice today, across all generations, and its not going to go away any time soon. but i don't think that's sufficient grounds for declaring it essentialist, and i think there's a good reason to declare it can't be - the boundaries of prejudice are always moving and don't really make much sense, unless you assume it's all just a product of inertia

The Latter. Natural as in the human psyche often finds it easier to use in-group out-group thinking.

Edit: Also who'd you piss of to get that red text? I liked your old av :(

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Baloogan posted:

lamo!

im missing so much by having images off lol

Contained within that image is a meltdown so hard, Japan is now an archipelago.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Baloogan posted:

Japan is an archipelago, now

Exactly, I melted down so hard I retroactively turned it into an archipelago.

It use to be a subcontinent.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Prolix is praxis.

My prolix gets proclicks!

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Baloogan I take it back!

The prolix is getting out of control!

Please come fix this!

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Baloogan posted:

the skilled workers of this era are mostly libertarianish, computer peeps, IT workers

so, uh, congrats? a 'worker revolution' becomes less likely with every job loss to automation.

Yeah it's not like the vast majority of people being unemployed won't have consequences!

In the battle of the IT tech nerds and blue collar rednecks I'm gonna bet on the rednecks everytime.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Also lol bitch who are you kidding! You are as hosed as the rest of us when Godking Zuckerberg decides he needs more hydrogen gas from the Jupiter mines

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Baloogan posted:

the peckerwood duck is great

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Tinker Tankie Soldier Spy posted:

nice

psl guy from sacramento called and the membership process has started. i'm gonna get my card right before moving to beijing lol

I talked to them back in November but do to IRL poo poo I said I couldn't work until January and told them to contact me again and it looks like they forgot about me! :saddowns:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Karl Barks posted:

i blame the kulaks

I blame the prolix

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Darkman Fanpage posted:

rich people bad! destroy rich! help poor! help working people!

that good baloogan?

Hmm yes, Marxism is blood

Dreddout fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Jan 12, 2017

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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VirtualStranger posted:



My God, he's Evolving...



Comrade Sanders confirmed anarcho-communist

"This isn't even my final form! " Bernie Sanders says as he goes super-Stalin

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Holy gently caress

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Lmao the party's split over catgirls

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Odobenidae posted:

Very unsettled by the revisionism of r/socialism. If anyone wants to join my new subreddit r/SocialismMLMHMT (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Hatsune Miku Thought) then please write me a 3 page minimum essay of why you think anime is not only revolutionary but the only viable path to revolution.

Revisonist scum! Everyone knows Marxist-Leninists-Sanderist-Danganronpism is the true immortal science of the vanguard party!


B-Baka!

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Now that the far right is in ascendance I'm half expecting Alex to go full tankie as a way to keep rebelling

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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i don't uunderstand what this has to do with the dialect...

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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jarofpiss posted:

our secure communication briefing that we had recommended that we use some app called "signal" for any communication between activists because it encrypts it and prevents it from being plucked out of the air by stingray vans and the like. not 100% secure but better than plaintext.

Let's just buy every commie a SA account

The LF international

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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get that OUT of my face posted:

i can't wait to be done with these goddamn classes
:yeah:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Colgate is bourgeois

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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

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Baloogan posted:

i am so happy with this thread atm this is how marxism can reach the workers of the world.

The Fifth international: Memes, Prolix, Anime, or Death

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