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Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
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I'm posting in a great thread made by Dear OP Leader Eonwe. :toot:

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Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
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Eonwe posted:

I thought it'd be funny to be basically the same name as the other thread

And it is!

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
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Hey Dear Leader Eonwe mittens wants you to join goons in the old thread, but I assume he means H1Z1 goonswarm, since you know thats what he gets bribed to get goons to play.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Endie posted:

like that bit in lord of the rings where the orc dudes are like "looks like meat's back on the menu, boys" and you wonder what opportunities orcs really have to order from a menu. I picture even a finger buffet as a bit far-fetched.

It's like the scene from the Empire Strikes Back where the rebel ships are trying to run the Imperial Blockade and the Imperial captain is like "Good, our first catch of the day" and you're wondering when he has ever fished or why fishing would be a thing in the Empire or why that phrase is being used at all.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Uziduke posted:

Since Smedley is gone, does mittens even care about H1Z1?

Probably, I mean mittens runs a multi-dollar media empire

That has definitely benefited from their relationship.


Kimsemus fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jan 26, 2016

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Archenteron posted:

Fishing is an eternal pastime for mankind, even thousands of years ago in the future. What do you have against fishing, Kimsemus? Fishing is chill as gently caress.

I sort of have this thing against fishing that I can't quite explain. It's almost subconscious.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Endie posted:

We never see any actual genocide though, do we? War involves attack as well as defence but nobody says Churchill raised an army to commit genocide when he tried to defend *his* little patch of homeland.

There's an old history adage - "History is written by the victors."

It's not genocide if you win.

Sort of like in EVE, like with all the betrayal and political intrigue goons did against BoB and such, Goons won at the end of the day so they get to write the narrative, it would have been different if "Well goons did all this meta poo poo to try and gently caress is and they still lost, how terrible are they."

War and conflict plays out far different in the court of public opinion when casus belli is on your side.

I learned that from playing EU4 :v:

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
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Endie posted:

I think its sometimes genocide even if you win. Like Arthur"Bomber" Harris. There is some serious shuffling of feet when his name crops up.

Never heard of him, tell me more?

Most applicable example I can think of is the "Indian Wars" after the Civil War, which was pretty much mass genocide no matter how you try to argue it, but the US "won" and manifest destiny, etc etc.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal
god drat you have to admit the citadels look impressive:



Endie posted:

Head of bomber command in wwii and basically not a huge germanophile. He believed that by means of a strategic bombing offensive* he could bring about victory in Europe.

*bombing the bejesus out of anything that couldn't pronounce the letter "w" properly.

Ah, interesting, from the UK, or American?

I mean even with the dropping of the h-bomb...in war I guess the ends justify the means? Don't we use that excuse in EVE constantly against our enemies?

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
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:smuggo:

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4317qd/shitpost_now_i_dont_mean_to_be_a_stickler_for/

Oh mittens, never change. :v:

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Unfunny Poster posted:

Mittani doesn't run the TMC twitter, Kcolor does.

But that doesn't fit neatly into the narrative that reddit is trying to shill so no it was mittens for sure.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

crew posted:



Apparently you guys are really mad about this csm thing

CALM DOWN IT'LL BE OK

Can't you see how upset we are?

So upset.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

crew posted:

The context of the time was the csm running not for last year but the year before. Marlona has always bitched and moaned about force projection which is odd coming from an Ncdot guy but he never spent much time flying with his alliance anyways.

He did spend months and months scanning all of Fountains moons and uploading where all the R64's are and even started Deklein too.

So he runs for the csm on a platform of: "nerf force projection and nerf large, organized alliances and return eve to the glory days of small gang roaming." He made some blog pieces and forum posts and the general discussion around his platform was like: yeah you're an idiot your travel restrictions and ideas are bad. Retroactively he now claims to be the herald of fozzie sov and jump fatigue.

I cant remember approximately when he got booted from TMC, or when the log dump happened in connection to the csm thing but basically at the end he got all tinfoil about somebody (some large and highly organized, nefarious group) trying to "silence" him and his csm campaign to protect their rmt empire.

So he withdrew his csm campaign, biomassed his character, (some theta guy claimed that name) and quit eve. Was silent for about a year and came back to sperg once more on FHC about the kickstarter.

Theres a lot of other wild and crazy claims and accusations in there but you get the gist about what kind of grade-a shitelord this guy is.

I was still writing for TMC when Marlona got dumped, in fact it was Marlona who helped get myself and other non-CFC writer hired at TMC. I seem to remember a pretty systematic narrative being crafted against Marlona, and he was"fired" because he bucked against the editors and the changes they wanted to make to his articles. He was fired because they said he was difficult to work with, and wouldn't respond well to the "changing" culture of TMC. This is what was posted in the bullpen where we all communicated privately.

I was also in NCdot with Marlona for his entire time there (and well after) and he was pretty active especially on alts but spent much of his time doing support activities, scanning, scouting, etc, and devoted a lot of time working for TMC, something for a long time he took great pride in.

My perspective, since I was there both in alliance with him, and working for TMC and in the bullpen with the editors, is that they wanted to cast him out, so they found a reason to. They kept justsharkbait and I, the two other NCdot writers for the site, because (their words) we were easier to work with and more agreeable, and consistently garnered far higher page views (to be fair, I mostly cherry picked articles I knew would get views, and I was openly critical about ncdot/PL even as a member which the TMC audience liked).

I don't know about the log dump, I know it happened well after he was terminated, but I think Marlona had some justification to believe that there was some kind of cabal against him. I'm not saying I believe it, but from his perspective I can see why it was completely plausible.

From my perspective, at TMC, you're fairly treated and viewed as a friend and asset, right up to the point where you're not. I was terminated from TMC for the same kind of allegeded reasons as Marlona, but it's no coincidence it was at the same time I was also kicked from goonswarm.

Marlona after being kicked from TMC generally become kind of a piece of poo poo though, both in alliance and in private, saying I should quit too and I was a traitor for not walking out after he got fired. His perspective on issues became very skewed and he had a massive axe to grind after that point.

Basically, having been there before and after personally, the whole affair caused him to go kind of off the deep end.

Kimsemus fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jan 28, 2016

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Unfunny Poster posted:

First time was him posting logs from TMC's general chat channel. Because of how some people had their stuff setup (mostly using Adium) the logs had their IRL names due to the login info being like Fix_Lag@JohnDoesMac.com or whatever, so it had their IRL names. The same sort of thing also was how a few people's IRL email addresses were also included in those logs.

When he was called out on it he doubled down and first said there was no IRL info, then swapped over to just acting pedantic and obtuse over it and ignored all the people telling him off. Lucia Denniard, who hosted the logs iirc, didn't know so she removed them really quickly after being told.

The second time was when he posted Skype logs from the PL IT thing a few weeks back that included one of the PL IT guys IRL name. Again, he said he didn't know that was in there (which is silly since you know, he would have seen it had he read them), and again doubled down etc. Grath got really mad about it since it was someone's IRL info he was good friends with and a guy who genuinely wasn't involved in the poo poo, just a bystander.

Marlona is a punk bitch is basically what it boils down to.

My full name is in my email in those logs, it was pretty funny tbh. :toot:

And by funny I mean awkward and annoying.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Unfunny Poster posted:

He got fired because he was a manchild who couldn't handle people editing his writing, constantly stirred up poo poo, and the final nail was when he misattributed a quote by Travis Musgrat saying "get lynched" (something you don't really want to do on a news site) in a piece that he admitted to making up quotes for.

Ultimately, his lovely attitude and incessant "i'm too good to be edited, asked to write a piece, etc." that led to him being fired more than any single incident. People were just sick of his poo poo. The guy who decided to fire him wasn't GSF/CFC affiliated either, he was a legit editor/writer and was basically tired of having to baby Marlona while trying to run the site and work with a dozen other writers who were less of a hassle.

Yeah, I remember the "get lynched" thing now that you say it. I never said he got kicked for being in NCdot or not being affiliated with GSF or anything. I'm not even questioning the merits of why he got kicked as I felt like we basically told the same story. I distinctly remember it was editing disagreements as the catalyst for his removal, I just felt like he had ALWAYS been like this, and it was simply tolerated until people felt like it shouldn't be anymore, which coincided with a change in leadership structure at TMC and editorial staff.

What I questioned though, was what was said at the time of his termination, and the systemic poo poo flinging that occured afterwards against him, because I really do feel like for awhile he made good contributions to the site.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Unfunny Poster posted:

Yeah pretty much. It was also funny given that he tried to spin it as a "NCdot are being forced out" when it really was just him being a shithead who no one felt like dealing with anymore.

Especially didn't make sense since you still had ohtakashawa from PL still writing for TMC, and an NCdot director (me) and recruiter (justsharkbait) writing for TMC as well.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Berious posted:

I was at B-R. For me putting elite pvp in their place was as satisfying as killing Band of Brothers. Literally for months they'd been sperging on Kugu about how they own at supers and once they catch goons with their pants down we're done. Then we get pretty equal numbers and just obliterate them. Even better we won in no small part because the elite pvpers made a bunch of bad calls, like at first focusing on killing dreadnaughts and when the finally switched to titans going for one that would obviously be supertanked (in contrast we left Sir Molle's until the mopping up phase). Such a cool battle and a sweet victory. We'll never see it's like again :saddowns:

My favorite part of B-R was vince briefing us as we logged in supers that PL were about to get hosed, but that we needed to get hosed with them because we were friends and poo poo.

And got hosed we did. Was still a lot of fun though, dying in super super super super super super super super slow motion.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Berious posted:

What did i miss? Looked normal to me on an ipad

For 2-3 minutes every word was parsed with USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR THIS POST. It's fixed now I think.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

crew posted:

Did you really though. I remember PL guys cheerleading in the twitch chat talking about a titan-heavy ustz presence hoping the tide would turn.

Even the kill counters on Nicks stream were wildly inaccurate and it was only the next day when ccp released the official 59-16 number that it turned into a turbodunk.

I very distinctly remember Vince Draken in the NC FC chat explaining how and why we were probably jumping to our dooms, and he wasn't being tongue and cheek about it. I'm pretty sure we knew we were about to get rekt, even if PL didn't want to believe it. You have to remember though it was PL leadership's (manfred) hubris that kicked off the whole thing though.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

crew posted:

I remember Manny's hubris because he insisted on putting the whole dick on the table everytime and never backing down.

I'm just not buying the badly outnumbered thing titan-wise. Everytime PL or NC does a moveop I'm like: outnumbered by what? Rifters? All I can find as to who put what on field is busted eve-dingo links.

I'm not sure about PL, but I know NCdot pretty much went all in. We didn't hold anything back and really had nothing left to throw into the fight.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Khablam posted:

"Didn't want those supers anyway" sounds a little revisionist; if you didn't care win/lose the entire political landscape wouldn't have been how it was afterwards. I mean why would you deliberately get your poo poo killed, and then cede all your poo poo, when you could just not get them killed?

People are forgetting this happened right after Hed-gg, and NC/PL were in turbosmug mode and genuinely believed catching our supers would mean killing them all. By the time "the first few titans" were down, we were already many real-hours into the fight and escape was impossible.

e: It was also a year after Asakai where we lost supers, and months after Fountain where we quite obviously couldn't/wouldn't field them.

We definitely wanted to keep our supers. We were pretty salty for months afterward. B-R was definitely an embarrassment and was a mistake on the part of PL/NCdot.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

balistafreak posted:

Read the replies. Went to go shoot things with my GSF friend ("friend") who fed me all this crap. Turns out he'd been using "oh man I HAVE to go on this GSF thing today/this evening/this weekend" as an excuse to gently caress off and do serious real life things, because for some reason he got the idea that I wouldn't understand him having a life, because for some reason being a functional adult and doing things like job interviews, classes, and going out with girls is something shameful. For more than three years. He didn't want me to join GSF because he got the impression I'd stop the highsec scamming business to "join him" and he liked doing that more than GSF fleets with his EVE time, which I don't doubt.

He'd basically led me to believe he was some low level FC/whatever and was constantly "on the clock", when in reality all he does is shitpost all the time and welp the occasional (reimbursed) ship.

I am now slightly irate with him, to put things lightly. Can't trust goons IRL either, apparently. If I had a dumbass opinion, it's because I've been getting lied to my face by a friend I trusted for years. Well, that makes it sound more serious than it is.

inb4 "why did you trust a goon"

I've missed you balista. You can always come join Shadow Cartel.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Unfunny Poster posted:

Yeah, if only we could spend $15,000 on getting a "completionist*" package for the game, then it'd be fun.












*despite being a completionist package, the package does not include all of the ships.

Good news, with SP injection coming, for that much money, you basically can :v:

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
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Siets posted:

I wonder if SP injection will actually see a decline in PLEX prices... :raise:

It's hard to say, the extractor (The injector can be sold for isk, 500k SP at a time) still requires Aurum, so IDK how that's going to affect the PLEX market, I know Aurum tokens have been rising in price pretty steadily though.

PLEX prices are already pretty insane though, I think using Aurum was kind of a piss poor idea. Anything that drives up PLEX prices is bad in my mind.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Kiryen posted:

If you need to jack off, you can get porn with a lot less effort than assembling a collection of perfectly good ships to take up hangar space.

The great thing about EVE is people can play it towards whatever end they choose. :toot:

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Xolve posted:

By the time I had logged in (late US TZ) we were told not to login supers, and Phal had started tallying losses for reimbursement.

Anyone saying we weren't hosed from the moment Manny dropped sov is an idiot and a liar.

I have said this from the time B-R has happened and people still feel the need to white knight Manny and his obviously poor judgment. It is good to see I'm not the only one who felt like we were screwed pretty much from the moment the first cynos went up.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Eonwe posted:

nice meltdown

In other news how do you think CCP is going to bugger up Legion Not Legion?

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal
I added an EVE text channel to the Something Awful Discord for people to hang out and chat in too if you want.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3759565 if you need the server info.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Nietzschean posted:

This discord thing confuses me. It looks like yet another integrated chat client?
But I already have skype and jabber and trillian and icq and irc and yim and aim and steam and gchat and facebook and and :psypop:

It's basically a VOIP with IRC functions baked in. I like it because it does all the things separate programs do in one, including integrated pinging, notifications, stickying, API controls, high quality (and high user) voip support, and is endlessly customizable.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

wfwon posted:

Just re-subbed to take a look at how the war is turning out, then realize I moved my carrier to lowsec before I take a break, I guess I will just use subcaps.

Also, since people were talking about making isk couple pages earlier, and someone mention lowsec entities do L5 for profit, is it similar to npc null entities (like Syndicate ) as well? or do they usually do ratting? I only remember doing Mordus Legion's mission for their ships were quite lucrative back in the days, but not sure about Syndicate or other areas.

Level 5's are a REALLY great way to make isk as long as you're willing to put the time into the setup. This usually involves a carrier in every system a mission spawns in and pullers to get the right missions. The LP you get is tied to the agent corporation, I usually cash out 25-50m LP at a time since it's so easy to get so much quickly. Just depends though, as you get virtually no actual ISK for them.

Complexing by itself in lowsec can be very profitable too, and I mostly do that in an Astero.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

Denis posted:

what i've heard from some russian lowsec friends they did lvl 5 in tengus and gilas too.

You can but this exponentially increases your chance of dying because of the time it takes to clear the missions, and it dramatically slows down your isk/hour. Headshotting with carriers with a proper setup clears over a bil/hour, in a subcap like a tengu, it would probably be more like 100-200m optimistically. A Vargur can still clear them relatively quickly though with the right setup and clear 300m or more, but you're much more vulnerable. To my knowledge most of the "good" l5 hubs are squarely in the space of larger lowsec entities.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal

wfwon posted:

Given that I don't have enough isk to buy multiple carriers for L5, I guess I will first find quiet L5 systems that won't shoot me when I arrive and grind with a Marauder or something. Also, can any marauders work for L5? I think I can fly Paladin.

Golem or Vargur are definitely preferably but a Paladin can do them. I think a Paladin would be faster chaining level 4s over 5s though. Also a lot of NPCs in level 5s will neut pretty hard so be cautious.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal
Hello friends, do any of you know how to best set up a Citadel for hisec things?

I'm fronting the cash for a couple of hisec mining groups to have a thing in hisec....to do, I don't know, their hisec stuff or whatever but I actually don't really know how to fit them to make them feel safe from wardecs whilst refining their space rocks.

Medium of course.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal
I didn't realize Citadel DPS was so anemic. I heard the neuting/ewar options are quite strong though. Seems to me they could do for a rebalance if they're weaker than a manually gunned POS currently, don't you think?

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal
http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=2807&b=7043170&e=1015&t=uaaruveaaeaqqe

Snuff Box just got ozoned, couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch. The dogpile was real since all of MBC reset them. :toot:

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
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WhoNeedsAName posted:

Is this just revenge for the awox or have they done something else to earn the ire of the rest of eve?

Also, are there any Scottish goons planning on heading to the Eve Glasgow meet up on July 4th?

Both, had they not awoxed SC most of the people killing them would have been blue, including the people that got initial tackle on them. They were also really really stupid gate jumping their supers home after a tower kill and paid for it.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

my understanding is they were leaving The Bad Guys anyway when they awoxed, because they were bored as poo poo since we're not feeding supercaps

Not according to anyone in their leadership and FC channels which I shared with them. In fact their alliance directorship was getting rage pinged and logging in to find poo poo occurring mid-disaster. It was a couple of rogue FCs but the entire alliance ended up paying for it.

Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
Toilet Rascal
Hey are you nerds going to let me play with you yet?

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Kimsemus
Dec 4, 2013

by Reene
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Blazing Zero posted:

what happened to shadow cartel? also kimsemus did nothing wrong

Corp left shadow cartel about ~ 7 months ago, I think they're still doing well.

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