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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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How much can Sinn Fein actually do to enact socialist policies in Northern Ireland though? Aren't they rather limited by the need to work with the DUP who are anything but interested in socialist policies? I'm not trying to sound like an apologist for them, I've not got a horse in this race, genuinely curious about the growth of Sinn Fein in the Republic. I've heard a little about a growing clash in the party between the old heads from Northern Ireland and a younger generation of activists who are less concerned with reunification and more worried about improving social justice in Ireland but aside from that I know very little.

Considering my sister stays in Dublin now I probably should know more about Irish politics but that tends to go as far as "Fianna Fial & Fine Gael are both terrible".

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Informative stuff, thanks. Definitely not the successors to Connolly.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Blut posted:

At this stage a better outcome for all concerned would be to kick out the Republicans and reunite the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Ireland :britain: Think of all the hundreds of billions of debt that could be forgotten about. And the 8th amendment would no longer be an issue. And no more Michael Healy Rae in a position of power. It's win-win-win, really.

On the other hand, do you really want to be lead by a Prime Minister who quite likely shoved his penis into the mouth of a dead pig?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Marenghi posted:

Not sure what good getting into scraps with Pegida Ireland does for the anti-racist cause.
The fact they mention far-left thugs with British accents reinforces the rumours that it was outside instigators looking for the counter-protest to turn violent.

As has been discussed in UKMT recently, standing up to fascists & refusing to be cowed is the best tactic to turn them from a big scary to a bunch of pathetic clowns. Bullies don't like it when you stand up to them, it makes them look as tragic as they are.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Oh that is just a delight.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Cabinet posted:

Labour in Ireland are comparable to the Lib Dems in the UK. Voted in under the pretense of keeping the reigns in on the bigger party, and failed horribly. There was also a shift in leader just over a year ago and Burton is horrible as a public speaker and as a face of the party.

If you want a comparison to UKLabour in Ireland, I'd look at Fianna Fail.

Though in fairness, I think UK Labour are a mite less transparently corrupt than Fianna Fail

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Blut posted:

Believe or not I'd actually have a selfish personal preference for LAB to stay where they are at 7 seats, so the SocDems can take advantage of the 'soft' left niche and expand into it. LAB only got a 3rd preference vote from me last week. But I wrote a thesis on how ideological splits amongst left-wing population groups tend to dramatically damage left-wing parties chances of forming governments, mostly to the benefit of the centre-right parties. So its a pet peeve of mine when supporters of one left party attack another above all else - its just very problematic and short sighted.

I imagine you're right about the goldfish memories though. If FF could be forgiven for the horrors of last decade after only 5 years LAB will probably also bounce back.

You're not a centre-left party just by declaring you are a centre-left party. If you are a party who used to be centre-left but are explicitly involved with a government which pushes through a right wing agenda for very little in return then people who view themselves as on the left on the spectrum are justified in punishing them for that betrayal. How else does a formerly centre-left party know that voters don't appreciate their going from centre-left to centre or centre right?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Marenghi posted:

Danny Healy-Rae spouting bollicks in the Dail today.

He's denied man-made climate change and said "God above in charge of the weather and we can't do anything about it".
It makes me wonder how many of our politicians are climate change denialists.

Is he a Catholic? Because I'm pretty sure the Pope has staked out a clear position on man-made climate change. Is Danny Healy-Rae harbouring heretical views? Someone should ask him to clarify.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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So is 20% just the ceiling on support for Sinn Féin under the current leadership? Is there another reason they've failed to pick up more support from Fine Gael's collapse?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Bryter posted:

The British commentariat are taking the election results well



That's up there with Liam Fox's recent claim that Britain did absolutely no bad things in the 20th century. Which I'm sure the Irish thread would definitely agree with.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Going to be so bummed out if you have a new election before the UK. Really want rid of our bad PM.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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My brain hurts from trying to parse this.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Good luck Ireland. Do the right thing.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Congratulations Ireland. You've done the right thing and I'm so glad women won't have to go through a tough and lonely trip to a wet, grey miserable island any more.
Terrific news.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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kustomkarkommando posted:

Awaiting Danny Healy Rae's spectacular meltdown

Hope he has a song about it.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Blut posted:

A DUP TD probably wouldn't be that much worse than the Healy-Raes to be fair. Probably just as backward socially, but maybe slightly less corrupt.

But they wouldn't have the great songs.

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