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Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Rhyno posted:

Bro, I LOVE this movie. LOVE. I spent like $85 on that stupid DVD from loving Chekoslovakia or some place that doesn't exist anymore. I bought a shitload of Guyver manga and figures because of that movie. I'm probably into Guyver poo poo for close to a fuckin grand all told.

But

he

runs

on

his

hands

It was too much even for the king of B movies.

He can do jumping jacks on his hands man, at least he isn't a rapping Jar Jar Binks.

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Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

CINEMATIC GOLD

Better than the literal tentacle rape that's in the first OVA at any rate.



Why Japan. Why 1985 Japan. Why.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Detective No. 27 posted:

Someone needs to make a documentary about whatever societal trauma lead to tentacle rape as a cultural meme.

Censorship and repression.


Lots of both.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Elfgames posted:

this is only mostly true japan has always had a thing for tentacles see The Dream of a fisherman's wife

That's what happens when you're surrounded by ocean on all sides.

You start looking to other things to be comfy with.


Don't forget about the various largely isolated lands and their sheep.


Humans are weird, weird creatures. Still doesn't justify shoving gratuitous tentacle rape into an otherwise not at all sexual or hentai related anime though! That's not even the weirdest sexual thing they did to Fem Guyver II though.

Like, as weird as that is to say.

So okay, tentacle rape, that's pretty loving bad. But technically I guess it kind of happens to the dudes too, in the anime and manga. Just not as explicitly sexualized and meant to be titillating. But whatever sure fine SURE FINE SURE FINE FORGIVE THE TENTACLE RAPE WHATEVER

Then you get to near the end of the movie, Guyver and F Guyver II are duking it out, and like in the manga, F Guyver II's control metal gets damaged and she starts to melt and warp and decompose and nasty poo poo happens. So the Guyver uses his big gently caress off chest beam on her.

In every single other media adaptation, movies, animes, everything, that vaporizes whatever it hits in one shot the end. Against Melting Guyvers, it atomizes them and if you briefly see anything, it's their twisted meaty remains before they too are removed from existence.

F Guyver II is instead of killed, stripped completely naked and instead of being a horrible mass of literally eating her own body alive mess like every other Control Metal-less Guyver, she's totally fine. So she hangs in the air totally nude, lets out an orgasmic scream, and then in the most sanitized way possible all of her body disappears in a gradual way until only her tits are left and they are the last thing to go.

Who ever animated the 1985 Guyver OVA was the loneliest, horniest animator in the world is what I'm trying to say. He NEEDED those precious seconds of anime tits to get him through his presumably horrific, bleak existence.

The worst thing is, outside of those two moments of WHAT THE gently caress WHY, the first OVA is a really cool thing with excellent animation and wonky looking character models that's great to see as a fan for how far it's come. I just can never recommend it to people because yeah, you're going to get hit face first with primeo anime bullshit.

The only nice thing I can say is that at least F Guyver II was a grown woman and not literally a child.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

I actually am because the first Guyver OVA is pretty fantastic all for 1985 anime. Great action, great animation, unique story that does something very different with the one everyone knows, F Guyver II has a unique Guyver design and is an even better fighter than Guyver II, Sho isn't a total putz, and you get all of the weirdo off model and not quite right designs due to it being made so soon.

It's this weird AU universe and I'd LOVE to see where it went after that.

Fat luck about suggesting anyone watch it though because of the literal tentacle rape!

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Women being treated as sex objects...IN AN ANIME??? :monocle:

No see, THAT'S FINE.

Well it's not but you know, not something you're going to ever escape.

I would like it if there wasn't an actual hentai scene going on though! I don't think you guys are believing me when I emphasize this- this isn't some pseudo tentacle rape thing or whatever implied thing. This isn't like Evil Dead.

This is straight up 2-3 minutes of random full on Hentai in something that otherwise has nothing to do with it what so ever.

it'd be like recommending a really good Superman movie but forgetting to mention the 3 minutes of hardcore porn that just happen in the middle for no drat reason. Some people just would not cotton to that being around.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Best part is the history to that.

Supes throws down with Darkseid at the end of his series after Darkseid killed Dan Turpin and enslaved him and made him try to take over the world and alllll that fun stuff. He spares him at the last moment, and discovers that Darkseid's people are so broken that they would never have the courage to do what they need to do.


SO the very next time they run into each other, and Darkseid calls asking for help, Clark knows drat well that it's a trap and they're stupid for going. They go, Clark pointing out that this is literally the dumbest thing any of them have ever done, and he mostly hangs out until inevitably Darkseid betrays them all, shocking absolutely no one and especially not Superman.

Superman then attempts to beat Darkseid to death with his bare hands on an exploding space ship and only doesn't because Batman forcibly teleports them both away, which results in Superman telling Batman he's a punk rear end bitch.


Later Darkseid comes back again and Superman is proven correct. Batman is, in fact, a punk rear end bitch.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I have super ADHD and I tend to obsess over certain things that catch my attention. So I go in cycles. If I really like something, I am going to listen or watch it over and over and over and over and over again, then I'll switch to some thing else for a while and then eventually go back to it.


It's why I have the first RoboCop, all 12 Friday the 13ths, and all Godzilla movies not made in 98 memorized.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Rhyno posted:

I once watched Robocop every day for 47 days straight.

We need to hang out

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

wyoming posted:

And yet I'd imagine anything you'd have to say about it would look like Baron Bifford's essay.

Let's not get crazy here

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Rhyno posted:

drat right it isn't.


To be fair I have watched it at least a dozen times since then.

That's because it's one of the best movies ever made.

No shame in that.


It's kind of like how Predator is the single best 1980s action movie ever made. It's not even fair.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Basebf555 posted:

Isn't he like 60+ years old though? I feel like Lobo needs to be a big buff dude, not 65 year old Danny Trejo.

Let me give you a counter argument



Danny Trejo As Lobo

gently caress You that's the best casting.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Excelsiortothemax posted:

How are you people surprised? He looked like a walking corpse in Winter Soldier.

He was only 66 years old, and that doesn't change the fact that this is sudden and sad.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Okay most of that you wrote just betrays the fact you were not paying attention to literally anything that happened in the movie, but only one thing needs to be addressed.

Why didn't Luthor try to frame Superman for blowing up Capitol Hill?


First let me explain why this is a point that needs to be addressed instead of you just not paying attention. Because this is something that a lot of people seem confused about. Like, a lot of people. I don't know why, but I guess they don't like to apply any level of critical thinking to their big shoot punch movies.

There is no way in hell in any conceivable fashion Lex was going to frame Supes for destroying the Capitol. Maybe if he already had Doomsday or a Superman clone he could/would have, but that had nothing to do with what he wanted and it would have just given the wrong impression and the wrong attention.

First and foremost- the building exploded. That means that there was a bomb. Superman, for all of his powers demonstrated in the movies, does not have Explosion Powers. He cannot randomly blow the gently caress up.

Further, anyone, *ANYONE*, with any level of training or basic intelligence would be able to figure out that the source of the explosion was not at Superman, but instead at whatever remained at the wheel chair. Because this was not a magic bomb that teleported from one place to another before exploding, it went off from over there and is easily traced back as such. So easily, in fact, that they don't even have to explain that fact because it's common sense.

Even further along than that, no one is going to think Superman was responsible for blowing up the wheel chair because even if he did, it wouldn't have blown up like that. There would have HAD to of been a bomb in the wheel chair for it to do the damage it did, which is not something Superman is known to have or use.

Basically the plot would have to poo poo itself and break its back to bend over backwards to try and justify Luthor even ATTEMPTING to frame Superman for this.

Because that wasn't the intent or the point. The point was to silence the Senator, to put Superman in a negative light, to demoralize Superman, and to further gently caress with Batman. Here's what Bruce got out of the whole thing- he didn't get that Superman killed those people, he got that Superman EXISTING killed those people.


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Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Doflamingo posted:

1) Yes he did because he had access to the same Kryptonian archives that Lex learned it from.
2) Are you kidding me? This guy was a zealot. More likely he would've done anything to win- case in point he already did a lot of truly abhorrent poo poo both on Earth and Krypton.

If you think Zod would have ever allowed the creation of Doomsday, you have no loving idea how the character operates or worked on any single level.

Zod was a zealot yes, but he was a zealot for what he perceived as Kryptonian Purity. Like, HIS IDEAL Kryptonian Purity.

Clark, despite being totally Kryptonian, was conceived through natural birth and Zod viewed him as an abomination best killed for it.

Zod despised the idea of altering what and who Kryptonians were so much that he was more than happy to completely reboot the planet Earth so that they WOULDN'T get rad super powers, despite that being something they'd easily get over and would make them near invincible as a species.

Doomsday would be the ultimate heresy in his eyes, a total and complete abomination that should never be allowed to exist.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Uncle Boogeyman posted:

since we're (finally, thank god) turning focus away from BvS for a second, speaking as someone who genuinely loved The Winter Soldier the way some people loved Fury Road, I'm very wary of the fact that Captain America 3 has morphed into Avengers 2.5

I dread Captain America 3. I really do. I really enjoyed Winter Soldier just because it was a fun, great movie. It was a good theater experience. The morality of it was as simple as ever, but that's fine. It had the bones of something great to it, and had the balls to call out SHIELD as something evil that needed to be destroyed. Sure they did that by having Super Nazis co-opt it, but whatever I'll take it.

The best of the Marvel movies are movies that, if you take away the Marvel Formula, you still have a good movie. In my opinion anyways. It's why I just cannot enjoy Guardians, which is Ultra Wink Wink Nod Nod We're In On The Joke Too Aren't We Wacky the entire way through never letting the serious moments be serious, where the story, stripped from the Marvel side of quipping and world building, is "A group of misfits come together under their jerk with a heart of gold leader" bog standard story.

Only with a mind numbing Star Wars Prequel esque CGI space ship battle thrown in to eat up time and patients.

It has nothing it really wants to SAY about the narrative, and is mostly a commentary on itself.

Winter Soldier, stripped from the Marvel Formula, is about Steve Rogers dealing with his Idealism VS the reality he lives in. It has a terrific cast of supporting characters and villains and the weakest thing in the movie is Bucky who is still pretty drat good.


Civil War is born from a God Awful comic book event, and is emulating the worst of the comic books it comes from. It has a hell of an uphill battle to fight as it is, and there are so many ways to just ruin what could be a great movie. I guess It'll also be our first look at how the Russos are going to handle the Avengers, which will be telling for a few reasons there.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Boob Marley posted:



Oh, Zack Snyder, you tried to rid the world of jokes... but you ended up giving it its best one!

So what did you think of the movie? Like you've seen the movie now right?

That's part of why you were probated

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Freakazoid_ posted:

Spawn is a good movie.

You have to live the rest of your life knowing that I believe this and that I post on these forums.

It's a decent movie that got torn apart because they didn't want to make it R rated.

It had a great set up for a good 90s movie at the end too, if that chick got revived either as a Hellspawn herself or as a cyborg and fought Spawn.

We're also never going to get a better Violator. Ever.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

side_burned posted:

That made me appreciate Blade a little bit more.

Blade benefited SO MUCH from not trying to be mainstream and marketable. It was and is, but you know what I mean.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
We might get a swerve and have the first villain for Justice League 1 be Brainiac, coming after the Kryptonian ship and all of its information.

Could even lead to a scene where he reacts poorly to Cyborg, realizing what he's made of, and leaves.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

TFRazorsaw posted:

The foundation of the Justice League is actually the green space man they're ignoring, but then, DC has been doing that for nigh on a decade now.

Yes he's totally the foundation except for when he isn't. Which is a lot.

Seriously, you realize movies can do their own thing and aren't beholden to the comics right?

Martian Manhunter is one of the harder heroes to work with because he is just as powerful as Superman, AND he has a ton of other even more stupid powers. I say this as a fan of the character and what can be done with him- dude's an obstacle more than he is a help for stories. He also has some inherent baggage in the White Martians if they want to adapt that aspect of his character.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

TFRazorsaw posted:

What do you mean baggage? Like some sort of legal trouble? I don't follow you.

Narrative Baggage.

The modern take on Martian Manhunter has him the last of his race, but unlike with Superman where it's because his people were morons, MM's group were wiped out by the White Martians who are after him still.

This necessitates having to deal with that problem when he shows up, or at the very least address it. However that's clearly not the direction they want to go with in this first movie, and the White Martians are a notably weak threat to have as their first big challenge with no good central figure to draw on for them.

Basically there is no good time to explore what he brings to the table by his very nature. Now they COULD change it to being Darkseid related or what have you, but then they run the risk of backlash from fans, of which they already get backlash on every drat thing they do.

Couple all of that with the fact that MM, more than ANY other hero, makes most plots utterly invalid and silly to be a problem, and you have a good reason to steer clear from him for the moment.

The fact that he's just as powerful as Superman, can perfectly shape shift into ANYTHING, turn invisible and intangible, AND is a master telepath, makes him officially a one man team. It's the only reason why he has as ridiculous a weakness as he does.

He's a nightmare to work into a team unless you either tone down his powers or make him utterly incompetent.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

TFRazorsaw posted:

Multiple series have managed to do it well enough. I don't see how the baggage is too much to deal with at all.

I mean, you might as well say they shouldn't do Wonder Woman because her origins involve the Greek gods when they're doing the New Gods too.

That

That isn't even remotely comparable to anything I just said.

Also, yes, multiple series have done it well. Let's take a look at Justice League for instance

Where in the White Martian threat was...the very first thing that drew them all together. Which they can't very well do here for obvious reasons.

Other times he's shown up, they either ignore or play down the White Martian angle, but generally those are not out and out Justice League series and are set some time after he's actually shown up.

Even Supergirl the TV series has had to deal with White Martian problems, which the movies have no time to do.


Seriously you're not even trying here. Two sets of Gods are not incompatible with one another, especially when one set are explicitly alien Gods that came after the Old Gods.

I'm sorry Green Jeans isn't included, but it makes sense why he isn't. He could easily be brought in to future movies, but it's better than him being wasted now because they tried to shove him in.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Codependent Poster posted:

You can say the same thing about Superman or Flash. Either of them should be able to solve any issue without any problem.

I mean, apparently a TV show is having no problem incorporating the Martian Manhunter into it and doing well by him. But a multi-million dollar blockbuster with bigger villains and higher stakes can't solve that problem?

The TV show also has more room to breathe than a movie. Shoving MM into Justice League just to have him in it is a terrible idea if he doesn't naturally fit- and he doesn't.

Flash at least only has speed powers to work with, and Superman, especially this one, isn't shown to have the same kind of speed on foot. And neither of them ALSO have the rest of MM's insane power set, including the bigger game breaker, telepathy.

If they had time to dedicate to him, like the TV series could do, then yes he'd work great. But the movies are full enough as it is- throwing more characters into the mix isn't going to help with that right now.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

TFRazorsaw posted:

I also don't understand the criticism that "they have to deal with his origin".

Do you think that they're gonna spend a lot of time dwelling on Flash and Aquaman's? I'm pretty sure those are gonna be primarily dealt with in their movies. Just have J'onn show up and allude to his origin while focusing on the primary storyline.

Here's the difference.

Unless they ditch the most interesting thing about MM's origin, The Martian Civil War stuff, in which case he's just a low rent Superman and thus super redundant to throw in, his origin is going to matter. He's going to be on Earth and the White Martians will be gunning for him. Even as a sub plot, that's going to eat up time.

Flash got his powers from being a clumsy gently caress and Aquaman, AT MOST, is maybe exiled from his rightful throne or is just showing up in Man's World to put a stop to some injustice under the oceans. Neither one of them have anything linked to their origins that would follow them into Justice League.

In theory Green Lantern would, but if he's already been a GL for a little while then that's taken care of as well. And his origin tends to boil down to 'found a dying guy got a ring'.

Wonder Woman is the one with the most involved backstory, and she's getting a movie to showcase it.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

TFRazorsaw posted:

I can't believe "his origin and powers are too similar to Superman's", when it ignores the fact that J'onn's involves genocide and not a natural disaster, and the fact that it would give Superman someone to relate to and bond with.

These aren't obstacles, they're story hooks.

You're also cherry picking. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here man.

I address ALL of that. You remove the White Martians angle, and ALL you have is basically Superman but he's angsty about it. You keep the White Martians and that becomes a thing you have to deal with in a movie with things that have to be dealt with and six other characters.

J'onn, to be introduced as a hero properly, would need time and focus given to him. This is not difficult. These are not things you can spare in a movie with six other characters and some major poo poo that's going to be going down.

He would make a fantastic villain to start with though.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Or he could wait until they get the others done and then bring him in more organically.

But never mind that, let's keep bitching about them not including certain characters when they have no reason to include certain characters and then bitch about them doing that poorly.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Literally The Worst posted:

No no those are the good issues, because Larsen is a good enough writer. The rest of Spawn is terrible made up as you go bullshit

Al Simmons ever come back with a new backstory or is he still gone somewhere?

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Viller posted:

Winter Soldier was Captain America's equal, pretty much. Not a living god. Avengers beat loki and ultron, not Cap by himself...

So you agree that the complaint is stupid and ridiculous?

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Also there used to be DICK all to do. Even in the 90s, video games weren't very mainstream and the internet was barely a thing.

Early 2000s wasn't too much better.

Now? Oh God you have to schedule to make time AWAY from the internet now

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Everyone name a movie you've watched more than twenty times that wasn't something constantly on TV like Just One Of The Guys.

Most of the Godzilla movies, good chunk of the Universal Classic Horror series, and RoboCop.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Guy A. Person posted:

poo poo's just weird honestly. The budget was 250 mil and it is going to clear 700 mil internationally over the weekend. That seems like a moderate success but at the same time if it totally bottoms out from here that puts it in roughly the same spot as ASM2 which was considered such a disappointment that Sony cancelled their franchise plans and went groveling to Marvel. Then obviously as people have said there's merchandising but I'm sure there were studio projections which it would still be super bad to miss by too much. I also don't know how marketing cost factors into all of this (is it included in budget traditionally?) Certainly missing expectations is still a huge deal when you are planning this to be a decades long franchise starter.

That's not actually what happened.

Sony is STILL going ahead with some of their franchise plans, and they never went back to Marvel.


Marvel wanted Spider-Man really bad and they came to SONY for the deal that was made. That's why Sony still has final say on everything and why the Spider-man movies are going to be a primarily Sony venture.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I've said it over and over and over before but man

I dread the next Spider-Man movie. I really do. Like, I want Civil War to be good. I don't expect it to be, but I'd like for it to. I liked Winter Soldier.

The next Spider-Man movie is just going to be an utter mess. Sony and Marvel are going to be fighting over every little thing and the poor director, who is not a power house of personality or talent like Sam Raimi, is going to be on either end of the two.

Spidey is one of my favorite heroes so knowing this just makes me sad. And really grateful we got 2 great movies thanks to Raimi.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Rhyno posted:

Nothing in the Incredible Hulk is connected to Hulk.

It...actually kind of works.

Mostly how the one film ends the other begins

They're not literally sequels but yeah

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I hope I never piss off anyone enough to get a new avatar.


I love this avatar. it's Bioman.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

"PANIC EVERYTHING WILL BE DELAYED INDEFINITELY THE ENTIRE DCCU IS ON FIRE EVERYTHING AFTER JUSTICE LEAGUE IS IN QUESTION AND MIGHT BE CANCELLED!"




Oh oh wait a minute

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Why the gently caress isn't Christopher Walken in more super hero movies

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Vintersorg posted:

The animated series episodes of Man-bat were so goddamn good.

It's pretty much just a scifi werewolf story but

Bats.


Which means yeah it should be good

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

CelticPredator posted:

The Dark Knight rules and is what people want form DC. It is fun and funny and also dark and serious.

What makes The Dark Knight work would not fly in a movie made by anyone but Nolan and also wouldn't make for a good comic book movie.

Like that's the entire point of the Nolan films. Superman is not a character that could exist, and the only thing exaggerated was how Batman could just vanish when no one is looking. Otherwise everything is so ground into realism it borders on near self parody. They're great movies based on comics, but they are not comic book movies.


You try pulling that with Superman and you already have a ton of problems. Just, a lot of problems. There's a reason why Killer Croc was too unrealistic to show up in the Nolanverse, while now he's a supporting character in Suicide Squad.

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Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Jack of Hearts posted:

That was clever on first watch and made no sense at all on rewatches. Joker is a gang leader first and foremost, as he has no powers. Why do goons work for the guy who murders all his underlings and is profoundly indifferent to profit in the film?

It was a genius performance within an idiotic plot.

None of those goons planned to share their money with the Joker and none of them knew one another. They were all criminals he gathered together for the job specifically so they'd play to his fiddle.

After that, he's a cult of personality and an up and comer, and you can see that he surrounds himself with the mentally ill and physically disabled. It's like asking why people were and are so loyal to loving Bundy.

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