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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:Expectations of future demand are a major consideration when hiring due to the costs of hiring and other factors. In countries where firing is more difficult a company must be even more certain the demand will last long enough or that the profit in the near term is great enough to risk future losses from overstaffing. What you are saying is an incredible oversimplification of how it really works in the business world, it's not just beep boop we need another widget like econ 101 would have you believe. So essentially you are saying that when it is extremely easy to fire people, and companies know that come next economic trouble lots of people are going to be unemployed, consumption is going to crater and the work orders are going to evaporate, they hire less? I see.
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Mar 9, 2016 17:39
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Tesseraction posted:So uh, was that a serious post or not? I was on probation so I couldn't quote it, perhaps lucky for you? Hahahaha I mean, it was a serious post, I think they deserve a look, but I erased because it was a derail, an objectifying one at that, which didn't add much to the conversation.
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Mar 9, 2016 17:51
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Pluskut Tukker posted:But you're probably not going to solve that problem simply by reducing employment security for everyone else too. I agree but I see no other policy proposed either from Brussels or the PP.
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Mar 9, 2016 19:38
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I've enjoyed that joke a fuckload. Posting in a comedy forum is indeed great.
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Mar 15, 2016 01:01
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YF-23 posted:If you're going to put up a wall around Germany, and fill it with water, and you want to submerge all of Germany at least 10 meters deep, the wall will need to extend to an altitude of 10 meters above the highest point in Germany, otherwise you'll get spillage. No! Then you get German U-boats!
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Mar 15, 2016 23:43
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Cat Mattress posted:That's because they drive German cars. Hahaaahah! I see what you did there! that said, did they really cut back on funding?
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Mar 23, 2016 15:08
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Friendly Humour posted:Just as soon as we acknowledge the monumental failures of the belgian and french security services in keeping tabs on these guys everybody in the business knew were dangerous. And as soon as we recognize that fueling civil wars and bombing random people for their oil provokes mass exodus.
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Mar 26, 2016 13:48
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The agreement with Morocco means those inmigrants that are caught by morocco are taken to the desert and left to die. It's what happened in 2005 and it's what keeps happening. But the EU doesn't feel it has to keep the whole facade of caring for human rights so we don't hear about it.
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Mar 26, 2016 22:47
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ChainsawCharlie posted:Europeans tried to carry the burdens of africans once, i wonder what went wrong. If Belgium is any guide, almost two years. Also I hope you are being facetious about the first part of your post.
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Mar 30, 2016 19:32
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ChainsawCharlie posted:Its good to see that the newest wave of terror hasn't affect our politicians ability to be loving horrible.
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Apr 1, 2016 07:23
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Gobbeldygook posted:Is there a French politics thread that I can't find? Via this BBC story. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35982929 11 abstentions? Lol. The French lower house has 577 seats. I guess the rest just didn't feel like showing up.
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Apr 7, 2016 11:40
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mobby_6kl posted:"Turnout was low, 32.2%, but above the 30% threshold for the vote to be valid. The deal was rejected by 61.1% of votes, compared with 38.1% in favour." Xenophobes, I assume, because refugees. Leftists who have even looked at the EU twice because it is an instrument of class war in the hands of capital, and little else. I find it really funny how the interior minister, Ronald Plasterk, is now saying that yeah, the result is valid but we have to change the law so that this poo poo doesn't happen again. "Instead of a minimum turnout maybe we should adopt a minimum number of votes against to make this kind of referendum valid", quotes El Pais. That's awesome dude. So you lose a consultation in which you only campaigned for a week and the result for the future is changing the law to make losing this kind of referendum harder for the government? Great democratic values right there, rear end in a top hat.
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Apr 7, 2016 13:29
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Pluskut Tukker posted:You have to understand that the people who pushed for the referendum as good as literally used the actual treaty we were voting on for toilet paper. They have gone on the record to say that they never read the association agreement, don't give a poo poo about the contents, and could care less about Ukraine. It just so happened to be the first possible subject of the new referendum law, and they chose it basically because it would be an easy subject to fearmonger about, as a country with a serious corruption problem and which is is at war, which according to them would soon join the EU as a result of the treaty and cost us poor taxpayers a lot of money (neither of which are true). So the referendum, for the opponents of the association agreement, wasn't about the treaty - it was an opportunity to make a statement against the EU. And because the arguments for the treaty are boring, technical, and not very relevant to most people, the no vote was always going to win. I have read all of what you write about in the first paragraph and I certainly agree with you, and if I knew anything of the people pushing for the referendum I would probably hate them too. And I even ackwnoledge that your arguments in the second paragraph as a solid explanation of what happened. (With the exception of your comment that the referendum law wasn't meant to be used like that. That holds no weight in politics, the law is the law, otherwise tell me how the promoters of the referendum violated it. If each law had specific situations to be used in then maybe every law would be contextual and would have to be revised every few years to see whether the strict use-case list of each law was still relevant.... which could be a good idea!) But here's my point: In the EU, whenever a democratic consultation doesn't go the way the European Institutions would desires, it is invalidated, one way or the other. The European Constitution was soundly shot down, and exactly the same principles came back in the form of the Lisbon Treaty. But it's a treaty, it's a different thing, and so many countries could ratify it without a referendum. Bam, the Dutch and French opposition to it, sidelined. But of course that didn't help in Ireland. The referendum gave a NO answer and then a year later, another referendum, after some "concessions". A repeat of what happened with the Nice treaty, funnily enough. A year later! What would have happened if the scots had demanded another referendum a year later? They would have been laughed at in the face. And now we hear Dutch politicians say "oh we are going to have to talk very slowly with everyone, see what we can do, etc.etc." and other things I can't hear over the sound of the wringing of hands. Do you want to bet that the substance of the agreement is forced through the Dutch political system in less than a year? The EU has all of the forms and the pomp of a democracy, but it just doesn't work like one. Seriously, it is disgusting. And this referendum might have been a a farce by some parties, but it exposes, once again, something about the EU: if we don't like the way you vote, we will find a way to subvert it. And that's without getting into the TTIP treaty and article 207(3) of the Lisbon treaty, seriously. It's like the EU is trying to put paid to Emma Goldman's quote (If voted changed anything it would be illegal). VVVVVVVVV CrazyLoon: Well..... yes. We couldn't agree more. GC: Your comment is an empty thought-stopper. Like telling the bullied kid to stop worrying about the bullies. Do better than that. Dawncloack fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Apr 7, 2016 |
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Apr 7, 2016 14:55
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Rappaport posted:Hasn't the carrying theme of everything the EU has done at least since the crash of '08 been that the rules don't matter a whit, we just have to keep The Project going no matter the cost or insanity involved? If the insane mandarins who run the show want Turkey in, they'll get in, screw everything and everyone else. And what the mandarins want is of course utterly opaque to the average fellow on the street, so Not exactly. The carrying theme has been "gently caress the working class, however we can get away with it". So yeah, the project HAS to go on at whatever cost, but let's not be vague about what the project is. The rest of what you say is true though.
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Apr 25, 2016 17:08
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Baudolino posted:The treaties do not allow for a country to be kicked out anyway. And how many countries in the EU would want to set that precedent? Greece, Spain, Portugal;Ireland and other nation that are or have been receiving signifanct Financial support from the ECB would hate for that precedent to be set. It`s not gonna happen. The tretaies didn't and don't allow anyone to be kicked out (though there are partial suspensions that have never been applied). Getting out though, is allowed with the Lisbon treaty, article 50 Those same countries would benefit inmensely from just printing their own currency and, some might argue, from protectionism, so maybe one of them will set it.
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May 3, 2016 22:32
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Tesseraction posted:Ooh, ooh, no spoilers! I want to see the finale with fresh ears. I see from my ears apparently. God, eurovision is so bad! It represents EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS CONTINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERGHGH.....!!!!!11!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *collapses to the ground*
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May 9, 2016 12:43
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Despite half the songs not being very good, which is a thing, what really, really gets me is the Spanish coverage of it. I mean, hey, we all know there's some politically motivated scoring, of course. But why does the Spanish anchorman have to go on and on and on with his stupid, petty nationalism? Seriously, it's like all his comments are "Oh these people didn't vote for use because they prefered to vote for the country where a lot of inmigrants of the same ethnia live" and "they didn't vote for us because they didn't understand our genius". It's stupid and disgusting and it has sucked any enjoyement out of what could be a fantastic chance to get drunk and love to hate. Though I admit I've kept well clear of it the last couple of years, who knows if they kicked that imbecile out.
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May 9, 2016 13:38
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Tesseraction posted:It's somewhat comforting to know that even if we leave the EU, Britain leaves behind authoritarian states of each kind in its wake, be it atheist France, Christian Eastern Europe, and whatever the gently caress Turkey (EU status: pending) is these days. You can take the country out of the authoritarian states union, but....
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May 11, 2016 09:00
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Like many other "socialist" parties, they are there to give the electorate a choice between socially liberal* and socially conservative policies, somewhat, while enacting pro-capital economic policies and fool big parts of the electorate into thinking they are voting left wing. That's all there is to it. * Socially liberal except, as we've seen with Hollande, on security matters.
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May 11, 2016 19:10
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ChainsawCharlie posted:There is no fooling going on.There is no silent majority earning for the great socialist revolution.the electorate is what it is.there is no fringe left.the fringe IS the left. Most if not all the electorate is not very informed and votes based on their "tribe" their colors if you will. They vote depending on whether the people they want to vote for says the right things or not, and then hardly check what they actually do. And so, calling yourself "socialist", and, even better, having been socialist in the past, will make an entire generation vote for you on that illusion. If asked about issues, few regular working people would say "sure, yeah, give capital more power", making right wing views marginal. I think a lot of people need to came to terms with this. PS. See what I did there?  Peace, bro.
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May 11, 2016 19:40
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ChainsawCharlie posted:As-salamu alaykum my man. Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying. Politics is identity first, anything else second. mean, I dunno, maybe I'm projecting too much from what happens in Spain, but lots of regular working class people prefer to hear the song of "oh you are middle class, you are not one of those poors" even when, very obviously, it's not the case. Seriously, how many people of the regular working class vote against their interests? Again, Spain here but conservative parties get a lot of votes just pouring the hatred on the other identities, namely the catalans and basque. I would like to understand your point better but feels like a derail, what if we take this to PM?
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May 11, 2016 20:41
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:It means he's an unreliable (and biased) source of information. Hey, I don't disagree with you, let me make that clear first. But if you don't give us some examples that make us understand why we shouldn't trust him, then I have to assume es unreliable and biased as 100% of the media is. And you stopped at the ad-hominem phase. This is a serious comment, I want to have your thoughts on this one.
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May 15, 2016 08:22
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Zudgemud posted:Specialized workforce that can be gotten cheap preferably, for which my friend with a 600 euro salary while working in Sweden for a polish IT-company is a prime example... Can he live off that in Sweden? I thought it was expensive.
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May 17, 2016 19:13
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Tesseraction posted:I said it the first time I saw this advert and I'll say it again: this could only be improved by having the "Inside the EU" horror story end with the younger woman crying over a coffin. It's terribly bad.
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Jun 11, 2016 01:32
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Well, I wouldn't be surprised if it was effective among the portion of the population which is most in favor of leaving. I mean, the woman dying from a sore throat looks to be of a similar age to that group, and the lack of factual basis doesn't really matter given that they know basically nothing about the EU other than it being terribly bad. I can't speak for the tv ads ad stuff, for one I don't own a TV and for two I am nowhere near the UK. The memes I see on facebook (and it being 2016 no one around here believes any more that memes in these circumstances are "spontaneous" right?) concentrate are either a concentrate of fear mongering presented, collections of buzzwords or celebrity endorsements. The first type is done with lists, because everyone trusts lists with numbers. (Eg. "The pound will collapse! We will evicted from the free market!!!. All of our pensioners will be evicted from Spain and they will be a drag on the NHS! [This one is specially funny, "let's dump this problem on Spain's lap lol] etc.etc.) The second type is something along these lines.  Buzzwords all the way down. Things like animal welfare were there before, human rights, the Council of Europe did that, and things like "Regulate business and tax justice" are just buzzwords. No one in my FB slapfights has been able to explain to me what "Tax justice" means for instance. Cleaner air? Mwahahaha that's my favorite. The legal principle "Nulla poena sine lege" means that any modification to a law that helps a defendant is applied retroactively. By raising caps in car emissions the EP lets VW scot free. If only they had a legal department or something to warn them that this would look bad! Oh and peace, that's my own pet peever. So much BS. The celebrity endorsements have been hilarious. "Djosselbloem says the UK should stop holding back of the EU" (What?). "Schauble says he will personally rape the British economy in case of Brexit!" (This one sounds kinda true tho). Seriously. And the funniest thing is how people who are usually critical of the IMF will use the IMF pronouncements about Brexit as authoritative quotes. I mean, wtf. The funniest video so far is "Brexit radicals try to burn a european flag but European fire protection regulations thwart them!". Of course, somebody with a balaklava on fucks up in front of the camera in exactly the appropiate way for their rival's campaign and they happily go release it. Yes. Gimme a second while I concentrate in believing it  Needless to say, this is just my anecdotal experience, I'm not trying to give it any larger meaning than that. Dawncloack fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Jun 11, 2016 |
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Jun 11, 2016 11:19
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LemonDrizzle posted:The EU actually deserves a lot of credit on this score - it's probably done more than any other single nation or international organization to combat tax avoidance by multinationals. Vestager has been going pretty aggressively after Apple, Fiat, Starbucks, and several others. Well, please, could you convince me on this one? I admit that things like the double irish arrangement make me skeptical but if you could give me more data I'd be very glad. I've seen the high profile cases against certain companies, but I don't really know how serious or how for the show they are.
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Jun 11, 2016 12:00
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GaussianCopula posted:No. I believe Greece is responsible for the refugees and should take care of them. It would even be a Keynesian stimulus if you cut the wages of public employees to give the money to refugees. Wow. Just.... wow. I didn't think I could be surprised by your BS and intellectual dishonestoy anymore, and here we are. VVVV Probably! Dawncloack fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Jun 14, 2016 12:36
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You are right in that it's not meteoric, that was probably hyperbole. The underlying point stands, though, periods of impoverishment of the working class and economic crisis tend to be a boon for ugly right wing forces. Considering that the impoverisment is happening in big part by the EU's Markets über alles policies I think that the resurgence of the right wing can be justly, if not directly attribured to those who pull the strings in the EU. Also Schauble is a hateful individual.
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Jun 15, 2016 09:50
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Libluini posted:In a few weeks we can celebrate when the fabulous land of Greater Great Britain finally boots itself out of the EU and we real Europeans can start reforming this mess. I don't know, my friend, is the UK the real problem? I really want to know how you think the reforms should go. And this question is twofold, that is, I am asking both in terms of where it should go and how are you going to get the EC on board. I mention that last part because article 289 of the Lisbon treaty makes it so that only the executive branch, ie. the European Commission, can introduce legislation. All reform, thus, depends on an unelected body. How do you see it working?
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Jun 16, 2016 08:28
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Has Germany always followed the 3% rule? I think it's more of a question of powerful countries getting away with it. Also the EC is currently holding back from punishing Spain for the deficit because there are elections coming, and there's brexit looming. I'm ready to bet that, after those two events pass, Greece will be grinded a bit finer.
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Jun 19, 2016 08:59
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The letter that told the Spanish PM "Yo, take up the banks' debt. PS. Lower salaries and make it easier to fire plebes." was signed by Jean Claude Trichet, head of the ECB. Fwiw.
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Jun 22, 2016 08:14
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GaussianCopula posted:Yep it's all the fault of Europe and the fact that Greece has shown again and again that they are unwilling or unable to reform without a gun pointed at their head has nothing to do with it. Nothing at all. For anyone else out there who might be confused by this statement, it's bullshit. "Reform" is the nice sounding euphemisms that EU elites use for "gently caress the poor". The economy of France, with its generous welfare, is holding up much better than the economy of any country who tried the EC reccomended "reforms". So yeah, the Greece haven't "reformed" in that they don't particularly like economic suicide. Sure, Greece is hosed... after adopting a currency that does not serve the interests of its economy and that makes exports impossible, and after having it's banks closed for no good economic reason. Spain, because we have dipshit conservatives in power, has taken the EC's reccomendations and, well, 
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Jun 22, 2016 11:10
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GaussianCopula posted:but they don't. Hahahahahaha!!! Good one bro. Do you have your own stand up ?
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Jun 22, 2016 11:31
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Just for the sake of curiosity, what's the EU supposed to have done to remove social safeguards in Romania and Bulgaria? The entire EU policy wrt labor, for one
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Jun 22, 2016 21:41
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No, it's not the Finns fault. This thread is just being managed with the same governance style they have in Brussels. Hence the haywire.
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Jun 23, 2016 08:17
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What really, really bothers me is that this vote mirrors two decades of elections in Spain, and by that I mean the lack of choice. For a long time now in Spain we've had to choose between bad, pro-rich, anti-poor economic policies combined with social conservativism, and bad, pro-rich, anti-poor economic policies with social progressivism. Elections have gotten very polarized about issues, yes, and we've changed governments, yes.... But we have never been able to choose for different economic policies. And that is what bothers me most about all this, that it's all the same thing. We have all become very polarized in the run up to the referendum (lord [vader] knows I've done my part), and at the end of the day, well, the choice wasn't really one. Whatever comes out, we know how the economy is going to work. Or rather, who is it going to be made to work for. And that makes me sad.
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Jun 24, 2016 00:39
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MiddleOne posted:Greece really was the herald of the beginning of the end. Id love to be a fly on the wall anf find out if the Djoesselbloms and Schaubles were cynical about Greece or they have drunk the kool-aid and think themselves righteous.
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Jun 24, 2016 06:28
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YF-23 posted:God drat. Goodbye Britain, hopefully you sort yourself out. Hopefully the EU sorts itself out. One can dream.
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Jun 24, 2016 08:33
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A Buttery Pastry posted:On the one hand, whichever dude in England gets to be lord protector could tell them to go gently caress themselves, but on the other hand, what would they do if the Sturgeon just held a referendum anyway and leave won a resounding victory? Ask the Catalans how that worked for them :P In seriousness though, Scot independence might just happen who knows. Honest Thief posted:Fuckin hell, my modest pounds savings are now dust. I kept them in my UK account betting on Remain, OH WELL!!! Time to figure out what to do next. Inside of the UK they will, for the time being, buy the same amount of stuff. And the pound will come back up, don't fret, this is not even the single biggest drop in a day.
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Jun 24, 2016 18:20
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