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Cake Smashing Boob posted:I'm laughing so hard at all of these southern barbarians and their rinky dink caveman coins right now. Just you wait until the inevitable data leak at some big store or pharmacy chain happens and everyone in the world can just torrent your shopping lists and prescriptions of the last ten years. 
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Charlie Mopps posted:In the Netherlands the 1 and 2 cents are also gone, and i dont think anyone complained. The only complaining i heard once was when German tourists paid with them, the shop owner had no place to store them in his register. Poor Dutch engineering again, register can't even store 1c/2c coins. Typical.
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May 18, 2016 13:46
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Lagotto posted:Now you are just moving goal posts, are comparing two completely different periods and still manage to be wrong. It is no big deal, but I really don't see how you can look at US history and German history and then make that post. When people talk about German democracy, they usually mean the FRG. The Weimar Republic was such a short lived clusterfuck and failure that it's hardly worth the term democracy. Our political system has been pretty stable throughout the entire history of the Republic and what is happening now is a yuuuuge deal. Much bigger than the emergence of the greens or the left party. - the FDP just kneeled over and died, leaving Germany without a single influential liberal party - a tiny neo-liberal movement, founded by a professor of economics, turned into a gigantic racist right wing monstrosity, slowly overtaking the SPD in popularity - the SPD turned into an incompetent pro-buisness party and is trying to commit suicide at every opportunity they get(soon they will get their wish) - the unholy union of CSU and CDU is shaking
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Jun 1, 2016 12:14
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:Amid a divisive debate in Ukraine on state honors for nationalists viewed as responsible for anti-Semitic pogroms, the country for the first time observed a minute of silence in memory of Symon Petliura, a 1920s statesman blamed for the murder of 50,000 Jewish compatriots. Way to burn some bridges with the EU.
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Jun 2, 2016 15:23
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GaussianCopula posted:It really doesn't, as this graph will show you: Look again, people are being paid less and less for the same amount of work that they do. Someone is getting scammed here and it's definitely not the owners of the means of production. 
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Jun 4, 2016 12:12
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Friendly Humour posted:Way to obliterate your own argument though lmao Please explain, Friendly Tumour.
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Jun 4, 2016 12:22
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GaussianCopula posted:His argument: Competitiveness can only be achieved by slashing worker compensation and this leads to a downward spiral in worker compensation You are just trying to spin the fact that a worker today is getting payed less per $1 of work than 20 years ago. Also, productivity gains have been a constant fact of life for thousand of years, they are not something new. We have already settled how these gains are to be distributed here, in the west, during the first half of the 20th century. They are to be distributed fairly, because that's the only way that seems to work long term. No taksies backsies!
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Jun 4, 2016 13:10
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Shazback posted:So you support vastly increasing the income of farmers then, since the work each one of them does today was done by a dozen or more farmhands three centuries ago, and their produce is of better quality too? It's not about sharing the revenue fairly, it's about sharing the profits. Farming is not a very profitable business right now. Usually unions and owners would decide what is a "fair" distribution in violent knife fights that could take weeks, but union are dying so owner just do what they want more and more.
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Jun 4, 2016 16:17
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Sinteres posted:The right rejects open borders because of racism, but the left could have rejected them because of the practical effect mass immigration has of destroying solidarity and fueling far right parties. Privileging the concerns of immigrants who don't even share leftist goals over the concerns of native workers is why workers give up on the left. Sorry, but are you high? If you are talking about Europe, who is privileging the concerns of immigrants over the concerns of native workers? If you are talking about refugees, those get around 140EUR per month and a piss stained mattress in a gym hall, to sleep on. Is this about the piss stained mattress? Cause you can make those by yourself, if you really need one that badly. I can explain how.
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Jun 4, 2016 18:34
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Sinteres posted:I''s not that refugees get a better deal than native workers, because they obviously don't. It's knowing that ethnic cleavages in a society are highly predictive of conservative economics because the rich succeed in playing divide and conquer and destroying welfare programs by suggesting that the benefits flow to outgroups. I know this is the euro thread, but that sort of divide and conquer seems to be inarguably the number one reason the US has so many policies that gently caress the poor, and it's hard to imagine leftists wanting to turn Europe into America. None of this even addresses that the immigrants themselves may not be interested in joining the leftist program. The socialist party, at least in Germany, is against unrestricted immigration and is warning that social systems could get overburdened at some point. Nowadays, Europe is more or less on lockdown for anyone who doesn't have a PhD and/or a nice job offer and savings. It's even harder to get into the US. As far as the refugees are concerned, there is really not much choice here. Syria and Iraq are bloody warzones and these people have nowhere else to go. GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Jun 4, 2016 19:11
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I'm still trying to figure out what exactly that inconvenience is. What did the EU do to Britain, that is so horrible, that they need to leave as soon as possible? Did someone touch Britain in a private place or something?
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Jun 7, 2016 12:23
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OwlFancier posted:Until the end of the second world war Britain was still a mighty empire ruling the waves and never seeing the sunset and all that jazz. At least in theory. Yes, I get it. But why leave the EU for that? What about the EU hinders Britain to rule the waves or whatever? They have it now in writing that countries can opt-out of any further integration. Whhhyy leave? The trade agreements they are gonna have to make with the EU are not gonna be any better, because we already have almost complete economic integration right now. The new free movement agreements are not gonna be any better either, cause they can only treat with the Shengen zone as a whole and Poland is in Shengen. If you told me that Britain wants to leave because they need to revoke the ECHR and conquer some colonies or something, I would be totally satisfied because at least that makes sense.
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Jun 7, 2016 18:39
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Welp, you are completely hosed as a nation. Good luck with that.
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Jun 7, 2016 19:01
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Thanks for the effort post. These point are absolutely ridiculous and I've never been happier in my life that Germany doesn't allow referendums on a national level. I don't even know what to say. Well, I guess I could wish Britain good luck and a happy life in the EEA, same as the EU in every way, except for higher membership fees and no political representation in decisions that directly affect them and the future of their country.  Also, regarding the EU and permanent peace in Europe: I always saw NATO and military alliances in general as a more temporal solution that could fall apart on short notice. Huge geopolitical changes happen all the time and nobody could have foreseen situations like France leaving NATO, the Yugoslavian civil war or Russia just suddenly attacking and plundering Ukraine. Unlike NATO, the EEC made war literally impossible, due to the integrated economies. Even if the countries had decided to go to war, they couldn't have done it. NATO, on the other hand, could have theoretically been disbanded at any time by a single orange troll winning the world's yuuuugest popularity contest. GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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Jun 8, 2016 10:27
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Tesseraction posted:You say that but Estonia was getting all whiny that Corbyn wasn't particularly fond of NATO. They're of the opinion that without NATO there that Russia is going to instantly roll in the tanks and make them all speak Russian in Georgian accents while each personally being forced to make tiny statues of Stalin. Well yeah, I have no doubts about that. I don't really question NATO's Russia repelling properties. I was thinking more along the lines of "What would keep the UK and France from fighting over some bullshit colonial sheep island or against each other in some bullshit colonial proxy war?"
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Jun 8, 2016 10:48
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Tesseraction posted:Especially when Turkey are willing to shoot down Russian planes to show how totally grown up they are. It's OK, don't worry. If we jack up Greece's and Cyprus's defence budgets by the same amount as Turkey's, Erdogan will lose all interest in Russia and start sabre rattling with Greece again, channeling all that aggression into a save direction. No worries.
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Jun 8, 2016 11:08
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Are you serious? Some people must have foreseen France leaving, what with the French being immensely butthurt at the time about their loss of influence in nearly every international organization, and their self-image as the most important country in the world. Russia attacking Ukraine was hardly out of character either. I get that you come from a country which has almost made a virtue out of not thinking strategically, but you'd have to be blind to not consider the possibility of Russian aggression after Georgia. I admit that I don't know that much about France and NATO, but I was under the impression that the decision to leave only came about after De Gaulle's return and that it was a massive change of course for the country. Do you have some source on that subject? Also, can you show a single reputable source that predicted the Russian invasion of Ukraine? It was certainly a complete shock to Ukraine and it's people, so I'm kinda sceptical about that claim.
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Jun 8, 2016 12:00
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YF-23 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIYq5xMW98I No wonder the NHS is at its breaking point when people just drag grandma to the ER at the slightest sign of a caugh. Have some decency and go to your GP, grandma.
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Jun 8, 2016 21:15
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No kidding. I don't even know what to say. There is a huge amount of leave advocates with a complete lack of even the most basic facts("the UK does almost no trade with the EU"). People are making absolutely ridiculous arguments like "we don't need all those badly educated EU professionals, we can just replace them with quality Indian(lol) and Chinese(lmao) engineers". And there is a general trend of hyping China and talking about its rapid economic growth, compared to the small, stagnant and unimportant EU. Wtf is this? What is going on in this country? Is there some gas leak somewhere or what? Apparently someone did a national survey and came to the conclusion that the British public is factually wrong on almost everything that they belief. Maybe it's better if they just leave? Cause whatever is going on in that country, it's kinda scary and I don't want it to spread.
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Jun 11, 2016 10:04
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And China doesn't even want to deal with the UK individually, for understandable reasons. Having to deal with extra regulations, rules, customs and tariffs for a market of only ~50 million people is kinda a waste. I'm really curious to know how these "better deals" would even look like.
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Jun 11, 2016 11:27
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He is kinda right though. You can't just join the EEA, like you join a swinger club, it doesn't work like that. Iceland and Norway are special, historic cases that wouldn't happen today.
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Jun 11, 2016 18:31
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GaussianCopula posted:Which (major) European country has populists polling lower than in Germany? What other country in Europe has had an economic golden age for almost a decade and has a record low unemployment rate? If you think the AfD is bad now wait till you see what happens when the German people are confronted with actual, real problems and real, actual hardship. Von Null auf Hitler in 10 Sekunden.
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Jun 12, 2016 17:15
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Hahaha, the French public thinks that every third person in France is a Muslim. Also, Germany's Muslim population has declined since 2010, but that may be due to the census we had a couple of years ago. And it's probably back to 6% with the recent refugee wave anyway.
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Jun 15, 2016 12:46
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Nyandaber Z posted:It's not hard to have that perception when you walk around big cities, where most of the arabs live. And islam has been a recurrent topic in the medias those last years, so even outside big cities you hear a lot about it, it shapes a lot the perception. Yeah, I can totally see how these numbers could come about. Immigrants are extremely overrepresented in low paid manual labor and we see these people(car mechanics, cashiers, janitors, windows cleaners, construction workers, etc.) disproportionally more often in public daily life, than we see pale Teutonic/Anglo-Saxon/Gallic office workers. Still funny as hell though. 31% Muslim population is just so ridiculous, it would mean that, on average, every third person you walk past in Paris would be a Muslim. 
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Jun 15, 2016 13:18
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I really hope that the world takes Brexit as a warning sign that all our populations are getting more and more retarded and self-destructive. Personally, I blame YouTube lets plays, the decline of personal human interaction, internet echo chambers and chemicals in the drinking water. Someone should do something about these things. Also, reptiloids.
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Jun 16, 2016 18:31
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:I'm cutting myself on all these edges. It's true, think about it. YouTube lets plays are part of our growing culture of isolation and loneliness. The number of people with depression and burn-outs is on the rise, people feel frustrated and lost. They look for human contact on the internet where they meet likeminded people who share their opinions and personality and create echo chamber. Disassociating from reality and sane political beliefs. Also, the alarmingly high content of xeno-estrogens in the drinking water creates effeminate men who are confused about their role in society even more and who will be too weak and girly to fight the coming reptiloid invasion.
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Jun 16, 2016 19:02
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The problem are the Germans, as always. Germany is the only major country in the EU that is doing fine and sees no reason for a course change. They are very dominant in EU politics but also very self absorbed and not really interested in the economic wellbeing of other EU members. And Brexit is only going to make German dominance stronger. It's basically like if Utah was dominating federal US politics and forcing their economic policies on all other states, no matter what.
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Jun 18, 2016 12:19
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Cat Mattress posted:Either way, I don't see reform of the EU possible without a Brexit. For at least two reasons: I have serious doubts that Brexit is gonna be a wake up call for the EU. Most people on the continent have serious trouble understanding what exactly it is that Brits are trying to accomplish with this referendum and it seems like they don't really know either. If anything, this will be a huge argument against more direct democracy and the involvement of the general population in important matters. People are gonna use this referendum as an argument against democratic EU reform.
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Jun 20, 2016 15:29
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punk rebel ecks posted:Can someone tell me why Greece didn't leave the Euro currency and the EU? Seems odd that they stayed and Britain may not. As far as leaving the Eurozone is concerned, it was heavily debated in Greece, but even the most fanatic EU opponents had to agree that it's the worst possible option. Greece has no economy to speak of and its state is bankrupt, dysfunctional and also incapable of any serious reform. As soon as they leave the eurozone they would be bankrupt, with no access to the credit market and no incentive to even try any further reform. It would probably be something like Venezuela, which is much worse than what Greece has now. Germany and France don't really care nowadays and would even let them go, if the decided to leave. Greece can't even use Grexit as leverage anymore. For why they didn't leave the EU: they are a net benefactor of the EU budget and there would be exactly zero advantages to it. Like with Britain, they would have to follow all EU legislation, pay all the fees and accept all the "foreigners" but would lose any say in the EU structure. Is a really bad idea with zero advantages.
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Jun 21, 2016 22:05
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Deltasquid posted:"Are sovereignty", basically. Instead of having the EU regulate stuff like labour regulations, the British public wants the dubious honour of finishing off the social welfare state themselves. Don't worry about that. Access to the common market comes automatically with all the EU labor regulations. The annihilation of your social infrastructure is going to proceed in an orderly fashion.
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Jun 22, 2016 00:15
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Tesseraction posted:This whole thing is a shitshow, really. Donald Tusk is right to say the EU needs to take a long, hard look at why it's so unpopular. The only people who actually support it wholeheartedly tend to be rich assholes who happen to also be politicians. Well, its actually only unpopular in Britain, most of the continent is pretty OK with it. And it does a lot of "PR" stuff like Schengen, Erasmus, EU wide health insurance coverage, etc. to keep it that way. I think the fact that it's neo-liberal in ideology is due to its member states being neo-liberal. You need to have change on a state level before you can start reforming the EU.
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Jun 22, 2016 00:28
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The EU bears some responsibility in enabling that profligacy though, exacerbating self-destructive traits to the point that what would ordinarily have resulted in a painful correction eventually turned into a near cataclysmic one. It's even worse. Greece had to falsify important economic data to meet the Eurozone joining criteria and this has always been an open secret among the EU leadership. We enabled them. We made all of this possible.
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Jun 22, 2016 17:59
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I'm going to move to Britain and live of the dole, get free dental cleanings and spit on the pictures of the Queen, oi, me mate! And there is nothing you can do about it because you are in the EU. Hahaha!
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Jun 22, 2016 21:09
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That's a man who doesn't want his hard earned tax money to be spent on beggars, thieves and drifters. Finland had a really tough time the last couple of years, leave him alone already!
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Jun 22, 2016 22:22
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I have to go to bed now but when I wake up tomorrow morning Britain better be still in the EU, you limey assholes. Don't be a quitter.
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Jun 22, 2016 23:25
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CommieGIR posted:What's going on with the shooting in a theater in Germany? Everything is fine. Police shot the guy, some people got hit by CS gas but are fine, no injured. Police says dude was probably not a terrorist, looked and behaved like someone with mental illness. They have not confirmed if the weapon used was actually real.
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Jun 23, 2016 17:01
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Looks like sanity prevailed this time, good job everyone. Now all we need is a landslide Trump defeat and I can start feeling human again.
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Jun 23, 2016 23:44
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You inbred hicks, everyone is having the biggest stock market crash since 2008. London stock exchange is burning, DAX lost 10% of its value, some British banks are down by 1/3. You inbred hicks.
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Jun 24, 2016 09:12
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Train every single retard goon who voted for leave to this thread to explain themselves. Explain why you crashed the entire world economy and destroyed trillions $ of wealth and the economic future of your country for the "lulz" or whatever. I'm butthurt so much right you wouldn't believe it. Why do I have to deal with this poo poo when it's YOUR baby boomer population that is mentally deficient.
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^^^ It's my freaking pension we are talking about. You know, the stuff I will need to not starve when I can't work anymore. It's kinda dear to me. Riso posted:Paper wealth in the stock markets is not real wealth. Investors can go gently caress themselves. Well it's my freaking money that got destroyed and my freaking money is really, really real to me.
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