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Lockback posted:Oh yeah if it's actually in your employment contract then that's different. In the US you can get it in writing but that doesn't mean all that much. They can still say "come in or get let go". Labor laws here strongly favor employees. It’s still possible to harass people to get them to comply or quit though.
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Appreciate the discussion on how to get compensated for RTO. I’m currently thinking about accepting a new role that requires 1 day per week at the office. Hours are flexible so it’s ok if you commute outside of busy traffic. It seems like once every 2 weeks is also acceptable. It’s a 40 min commute, but I’d count it as an hour when there’s traffic. Easily turns into 1.5h with bad traffic. I’m going to tell them I need a 10% hourly increase. This would be equal to 4 hours a week extra pay, so it compensates the (worst case scenario) of 3 hours of bad traffic and an extra hour of gently caress you for me making me commute. I’d probably get away with calling it a day like the goon who has to go to an in person class once a week.
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Arquinsiel posted:Yeah, my latest work bullshit has absolutely hammered home that loyalty is a fool's game. Excellent work taking care of your gaggle. Can’t be stressed enough. Employers will dump your sorry rear end the moment it becomes profitable for them to do so. If they want loyalty, they should get a dog.
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Arquinsiel posted:I've been talking to so many recruiters of late that I've started my negotiations before I even consider the job spec. I'm just demanding they tell me the range for the role before I even bother giving them my potted history. It takes a long time to get through all that only to realise that they're looking to hire for an entry level role, so gently caress it. Tell me what you are looking to spend and I'll tell you if you can afford anything. I do the same since I’m at the high end range of contracting rates and there a a bazilian recruiters who send me rates that are 60-70% of my absolute bottom rate. Either the position doesn’t match or they’re trying to take a really large chunk of the rate. Either way I’m not interested.
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Zarin posted:
They would lay you off the second it becomes more profitable for them to do that instead of keeping you on. You owe them nothing. You have a contract that says you’ll work for money. As soon as you (or they) want to end the contract you (or they) can. If they want loyalty they should get a dog.
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Oct 17, 2023 22:07
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Jordan7hm posted:I also think very little of bait and switch hiring. It also reads like this to me. If your gut feeling says it’s a bait and switch, it probably is. I always try to think “if they’re already trying to do this type of stuff when they’re trying to hire me, what will they do when I’m actually employed there”. Going back to the original job posting and walking away if they only want to talk about the IC role sounds like the best advice.
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As a contractor also in the EU I noticed yhat it’s not unlikely for larger companies to negotiate a higher rate on big contracts. That’s usually the case if/when they agree to fill at least x amount of roles per year (and subcontracting on their own dime if necessary). So if your old company got €200 per hour, it’s not uncommon that any individual contracter would not be able to a more than €100-120 per hour. This can of course differ greatly per country. If you worked for a smaller consultancy company I’d definitely ask €X. They already paid it for your services so no reason to stop doing that just because the check goes somewhere else now. They know you’re worth it and hiring and getting someone else up to speed will take time.
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redreader posted:Not sure if this is the correct thread but, I'm out of work, was laid off a month ago. I'm doing interviews now and one place is intent on hiring ASAP, like by the 15th. I think I might do pretty well and get an offer, but it's for a lot less than my previous role, and the role isn't as good (qa/sdet contract with an emphasis on qa at the new place, vs sdet permanent for more money at my older job). If it’s a one time thing and you’re ok with burning a bridge it’s not a bad idea. Just say that you’re looking for something else since it wasn’t a great cultural fit. Of course you could try to negotiate for more money and a permanent role although that seems unlikely. But asking never hurts (and if it does, it’s a major bullet dodged).
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CancerCakes posted:What things do I need to take into account/ask for when moving country for a job? I haven't even applied yet but I want to think about what my "stupid to say no" amount is before I ask for the salary range. Depending on your role / line of work obviously, but in IT take home pay in EU is generally a lot lower than the US. If you’re making FAANG money now, expect to take at least a 50% pay cut. You won’t even get a match, let alone an offer you can’t refuse. The upside is stuff like (virtually) free healthcare, education, etc. Since you don’t want to use public education, sending your kids to an international school will likely cost you even more of your take home pay. So if you’re in it for the money, it’s likely better to stay where you are or make a move to a different company in the US. This is generally speaking (and solely based on the IT industry), if you have a unique set of skills in high demand everywhere (or  in particular) it might be an entirely different ballgame. I can’t speak for Norway in particular but half of your list will probably be coming out of your own pocket if you’re working a somewhat generic job. It seems unlikely your employer will pay for regular flights home, storage or your kids school. Again, it’s context dependant. If you’re looking at C-suite jobs in F500 companies, your list is too short and you’ll get everything including your own private driver. LochNessMonster fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Dec 16, 2023 |
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I’d normally say don’t go back to a company that sacked you before. Mainly because you know you’re going to be the first one out when it happens again. If you don’t mind the company/coworkers/job I’d still ask to get more money, too compensate for the (un)certainty of them ditching you whenever it suits them. If they alreasy say they will only match your previous salary you can fully expect them ti use you as a disposable resource. Personally I wouldn’t take it without a serious amount of money to alleviate the risk. Like 15-25%, too which they will almost certainly say no. The downside here is your BATNA. The other offer seems to be worse in most if not all aspects. In this case I’d probably take the old job and keep actively seeking other employment.
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Plus if you find something better it’s nice to return the favor to old company.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Tell them to get hosed. Not emptyquoting. It’s your spare time, make them pay whatever you think that time is worth. Since it’s such specialist knowledge only you have, you can make them bleed for it. After all they have been underpaying you for a long time. Now it’s time to recoup some of those lost wages.
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Chewbecca posted:When I negotiated a higher salary a few jobs ago based on my current salary, I was asked to provide proof in the form of a payslip or group certificate. I'd think carefully before lying about current salary. You don’t have to provide that. It’s none of their drat business. Past compensation is irrelevant. You’re hiring for this role and the compensation that comes with it.
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