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Yeah speaking as another person who has never been and never will be in that position, that all sounds completely accurate; the number one goal is to get you into a better place, the number two goal is to protect yourself and your reputation, and the number three goal is to help the HR of the company remove the toxic, dangerous manager from a position of power.
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Well, maybe this will happen everywhere and we can stop answering the "what should I put in the previous salary box" and instead say "do not volunteer this information, and if they ask, they're doing something illegal". http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2016/08/01/3803836/massachusetts-equal-pay/
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psychokitty posted:I have a standard job title, Environmental Engineer. And there's really only one other person here remotely at my level but the situation is quite different because I'm much older and have 2 degrees, so it's kind of apples/oranges. So it sounds like what you should do is find out how much you're worth, and the best way is to get a job offer.
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Dik Hz posted:I think it goes both ways. People overestimate their own contributions to team successes and downplay their role in team failures. So they almost always think they contribute more than their peers. So it can be highly demotivating for people to find out coworkers make more than them. But their are also companies that put the hush on coworkers discussing salary to get away with paying poo poo. I mean most companies discourage it, lawfully or not.
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shame on an IGA posted:I've just been transferred to a different department after doing my new position's responsibilities since the beginning of spring. This also prompted HR to notice they've been incorrectly paying me shift premium that entire time and hold it out my check resulting in an effective 70% pay cut until sometime in february. Should I even come back from lunch? Yeah, but look for a new job immediately and don't give two weeks? Wow, I would be monumentally pissed.
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Cacafuego posted:I interviewed with several research places in Boston back in 2010. Nobody wanted to pay more than $30k for a research tech, except Harvard. They paid $37k, so I took it. Wages have basically not gone up in general. It's not sad, it's class warfare. 
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Don't tell them it's less than what you're making, don't tell them anything about your current salary.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:have you read any of the nine trillion posts in this thread about counteroffering and benchmarking? I suggested he post here instead of a completely unrelated chat thread, don't be rude 
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bamhand posted:We have a "mandatory" PTO day this holiday season but they're also gifting us 2 days. Though technically you can just work from home on the mandatory day and record the hours as work instead of vacation. No one else in the company would be working so I'm not sure what you would even do though. "record the hours as work" and "no one...would be working" seem to mesh pretty well, though.
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Vegetable posted:Last week I gave a single number to a recruiter and she got very, very confused. “That’s a very specific number. Can you provide, like, a range?” Oh that sounds like a great opportunity to go "Okay, that number to that number + 15%".
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Headhunter: "So what sort of salary range would you be thinking of?" Me: "It would have to depend on the whole package, obviously." Headhunter: "Yeah but what sort of range? I know you haven't been interviewing recently, but even internal recruiters would need to know a range before continuing." Me: "Well, can you tell me what sort of salary the places you are mentioning might give?" Headhunter: "Well they don't give me a range but we've placed at x with y bonus, mostly." Me: "Yeah that sounds reasonable, pending full packages, again." seems about right? edit: this is indeed the first time I'm interviewing for the last dozen years, so I'm v rusty and don't want to handicap myself before I even get started silvergoose fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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All good answers, thanks. This is just the most aggressive headhunter that's contacted me so far. I made it clear that I would be looking at an overall package, regardless, but I guess even suggesting that yeah that sounds like it might be okay is too much?
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Fair nuf. Also I didn't much like that recruiter so hey, I can just not follow up with him anymore. Lots more calls and stuff, with no numbers discussed at all, so yeah.
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spwrozek posted:The amount of people who counter with a range is amazing me. This is the third person I have tried to hire to do it. When you put you want 90-95k that means 90k (which means I counter lower). Hopefully none of you are doing this. See the thread title. I'm never giving a number, but especially never giving a range.
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Okay I'm potentially at offer stage. Had my first in person interview and they seem to really like me. I also have an in person interview with a different company later this week. They seem very intent on getting a number out of me, this is for a principal software engineer in the Boston suburbs (i.e. not in the city). I'm trying to decide what I should say. Given that this is my first interview, I don't have any specific knowledge of comparable salaries. I love the location and mission, and merely like those two things for the company I have later this week, and don't have any in person interviews scheduled otherwise. silvergoose fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Keystoned posted:Was just contacted about a position and theyre asking if i have a non compete. Technically yes - its in the standard employee agreement that everyone signs and Im wondering what the best way to approach this is. Might depend on state, check your state law (MA is super good about this)
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silvergoose posted:Okay I'm potentially at offer stage. Had my first in person interview and they seem to really like me. I also have an in person interview with a different company later this week. Wacky job hunting ensued. This place got me to give a pie in the sky number, they actually offered a decent bit lower, I negotiated it up slightly, and kept interviewing at a place I was also excited about. Who proceeded to do a full day, brought me in for a second full day, then rejected me "due to not having a team where I could make a big impact" whatever the poo poo that means. Then I took that first offer, which I'm glad I negotiated up and is ridiculously convenient commute wise, and that about settles my hunt. I appreciate the advice, and maybe next time (not anytime soon I hope) I'll just be able to handle it without! Or I'll be back.
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Yeah and note it's not hr who's saying this, don't confuse the reason, it's your boss or one or two levels higher that's saying it.
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Goodpancakes posted:What's the deal with unlimited vacation? It's obviously not unlimited, they aren't paying you to be on vacation permanently. It just feels loving lovely to read that as a policy At a good company it means you don't get a vacation day payout when you leave, so the company isn't carrying that liability on its sheets. At a bad company, it's a way to pressure employees into taking less vacation than they'd demand in a normal accrual framework. Most companies that do it are in the latter bucket.
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Yeah don't give notice until offer is signed and references or background check is done.
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...can you sign it anyway, send it back, request a counter signature? Like, what the poo poo.
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It's more if anything goes haywire later, they can't say "you made that up, we clearly didn't sign it" or whatever. I'm also not a lawyer though.
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Because usually the answer to that is "it's up to your employer"? Or "make sure your boss is good and fights for their team members"
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Oct 8, 2019 20:40
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Motronic posted:Hey gently caress you. 
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Oct 18, 2019 03:48
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Besides, if you want to draw notice, why not loudly organize for a union, and see how long they take to "fire you for performance reasons"? (don't do this) ((everyone should organize though))
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Never tell them how much you make. It should be illegal to ask, and is in some states. If they refuse to consider you on the basis of you not telling them, run away, that's a red flag.
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If you're dead set on applying to them, figure out the highest number you can say out loud without flinching, then add 20%. But if this is how they treat people that haven't even applied yet, how will they treat you if you work there?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:he didnt even really get a counteroffer he got a counter wellmaybe Right, a counteroffer is literally as of right now, signed.
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Can you sense the employers' emotions as leverage though?
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Betazoid posted:Bro, the hiring manager is Ferengi, so no, it doesn't work. poo poo! Would have been useful though.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:all consulting are bad
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That is a *horrible* situation, jesus. You have, more or less, zero leverage and they know it. I'd recommend making sure you have an employment lawyer at least ready to call, because that sounds sketchy as *gently caress*.
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I suppose so. Still really sketchy.
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Dongsturm posted:maybe it's like spam mails where they are accidentally filtering for people naive or desperate enough to believe a ridiculous story, and wasting everyone else's time. It's this, they don't want anyone who won't give them way more than they're paying for
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jimmychoo posted:thanks all, no surprise that it worked! saved by the goons again. i only had the guts to ask for a 3% salary increase and that's what i got. not unhappy of course because their original offer was great. earmark a bit of whatever that comes out to post-tax for something nice in a year, imo 
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Guinness posted:Big congrats, another thread success story!
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Very much so. RSUs are basically just cash, but at a varying amount based on the market when they vest. Options are still who knows, but instead of them being worthless nearly all the time, it's more like...most of the time.
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Yes. What I mean is, if you work for a public company, and they give you options that vest, they have a higher chance of being convertible at first opportunity to cash than non public companies. Never take options instead of salary, and RSUs are risky.
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yeah 0. Or sometimes they prevent that, and you can put 1 in. If they're going so far out of their way to stop applicants who don't want to give a salary, they'll probably ignore it once a human looks at it anyway, but that's their loss.
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Wibla posted:I booked a "followup meeting" with my manager today, for Monday at noon, with no agenda. Absolutely brutal.
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